The stadium myth..

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  1. Gilzeanking

    Gilzeanking Well-Known Member

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    Anywhere I can find the crowd size at Wembley yesterday ?
     
  2. Bofrok

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    Attendance 65,366 according to BBC
     
  3. E17yid

    E17yid Well-Known Member

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    I think there's already a mind block, tbh. Not saying we can't get over it but we've only taken 2 points from Chelsea, Burnley and Swansea so not exactly off to a great start.

    I know last seasons home form was ridiculous but I didn't think we'd be 3 home games into the new season and already be in a worse position
     
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  4. Japhet

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    I think the most important thing is how we play with all this hoodoo talk. We dominated Chelsea but got hit on the break and we were complacent against Burnley which cost us 2 points that were in the bag. We couldn't find a way through Swansea's 10 1 formation and we played badly. If we had been bad in all 3 games I'd be much more worried but we've actually played pretty well.
     
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  5. E17yid

    E17yid Well-Known Member

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    The longer we play well but don't get wins I'll start believing it's a curse.

    Joking aside, yeah, we've been playing ok but we've hardly been setting the league alight with our performances either. I think we've actually been average in terms of performance levels and I include Dortmund in that.
     
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  6. shelfboy68

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    When we do finally get into a position to shoot the finishing is woeful especially son who I like he works hard etc, but surely during the week he must shooting lessons off of Owen Farrell as his shots are always ballooned miles over the bar.
    His shooting is very erratic usually it's wayward and other times he smacks in a cracker, even Harry was pretty jank yesterday in from of goal.
     
  7. ajspurs

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    I don't think we have been playing that well to be honest. Controlling the games yes and on other days maybe having some of our chances being goals yes but the Dortmund performance has been the only one that's encouraged me in any way. Put it this way, if someone said to me that we will play the rest of the season at Wembley as we have done thus far I would not be very hopeful at all. Our football there can just look way too slow and pedestrian for my liking.

    I think our wide play will be vital at Wembley. The sooner we have both Aurier and Rose bombing down the flanks the better IMO, will hopefully open up spaces that we don't seem to be finding too much.
     
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  8. longtimespur

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    I don't think Wembley made one iota of difference to yesterdays result.
    We could not break Swansea's defensive set-up and IMO it wouldn't have been different if we were still at WHL. We didn't create many clear cut chances and when we did we weren't efficient in our finishing.
     
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  9. brendanb50

    brendanb50 Well-Known Member

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    This - we've controlled games in terms of possession and chances but have had little cutting edge to break through teams who are able to sit and defend well - i include Chelski in that and in my view i think Swansea played extremely well defensively for 90mins - they earned a point.

    Dortmund were the exception as they came at us, forced us to play differently and a) we defended solidly on the whole and b) were brilliantly clinical, so it shows we can do things differently. We're just lacking a little sharpness to fully exploit our plan A at the moment against teams sitting deep.
     
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  10. EastLondonYid

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    Atmosphere so flat

    Where the fuck are the 1882 mob?
    So many empty seats to accommodate them.
     
  11. Colonel_Klinck

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    I saw a average position map in a paper comparing Sunday's game and the one where we beat them 5-0 before Xmas. Other than the 3 at the back compared to two at Xmas it was almost identical. The difference was we got an early goal back then and that first forccd them to try and play and we spanked them. We just couldn't get the ball in the net this time, if we had I'm sure we'd have put several past them. I'm really not worried in the slightest by this result. We dominated them. Just poor finishing and bad luck meant we didn't get all 3 points.
     
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  12. ravenspurs

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    Wait till Chelsea are forced to play there for 2 years during their stadium remodel. They'll be "cursed" too. The stadium is much too big for a club our size and that's no slight. Chelsea too. I think the only clubs in the world that can fill up a stadium the size of Wembley on a consistent basis are United, Real Madrid and Barcelona. That's pretty much it. Everybody else, if forced to play there a season, would have to deal with a half empty stadium, with zero atmosphere and opposing teams players and fans fired up to play at the home of football. It's a shit situation and thankfully we'll be done with it this time next year.
     
  13. hellava_tough

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    I really hope we don't look back at our decision to play at Wembley as a bitter regret

    The team had a cracking season last year and we've got a chance to carry that momentum into this season

    It would be a disaster if the wheels come off because of the wrong choice of stadium
     
  14. bsinghd

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    Agree with this, but it's also down to poor decision making by players when they get into the box. There were several times where it would have been better to lay the ball back across the penalty area but players decided to take a shot towards the near post.

    I'm hoping Poch looks at stuff like that as it's small things that will mean the difference between a win and a draw in tight games. We don't play enough one or two touch football either; on the few occasions we did, Swansea's defence couldn't cope.
     
  15. Archibald Leitch

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    Fortunately our away form is excellent, which counterbalances the less than ideal home results so far. Things will change. I feel I am getting used to Wembley now, so perhaps the players will, and then they can focus on just playing. Luckily, there isn't a looming international break coming up to interrupt the focus. Oh, wait....
     
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  16. Bobbins

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    We're going to have to rely on fantastic away form for top 4 this season, as well as making sure we take at least four points each from both Arsenal and Liverpool.

    We also need to try something different because at the moment teams know they can come to Wembley and just let us have the ball then hit us on the break. It's why it looked like we dominated against Chelsea - we didn't, they just had half a team out injured and so stuck to a specific game plan.

    Dortmund are the only team who have tried to actually play football against us and they did so with a ridiculous defensive line which was ultimately their downfall, despite them dominating the game. We basically did to them what every other team does to us.

    The atmosphere is terrible, as are the acoustics. The sound design makes it feel like it was a stadium actually specifically designed to silence football fans and make it impossible to get any songs going. The pitch is too big, the stands too far away, the tickets far too expensive, the outside far too busy, and to top it all off when away teams turn up they feel like they're in a cup final.

    It's one of the worst football stadiums I've ever been too.

    Miss WHL so bad :(
     
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  17. spursfan77

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    Yep. If anything, Saturday proved to me that it's not the stadium at all, it was just us being rubbish. Swansea didn't come to have a day out at Wembley, they came just not to lose.
     
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  18. Maxtremist

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    Gotta admit, think this is a great write up on the whole 'Stadium Myth' and our issues this season. Apologies if this has already been posted elsewhere.

    http://www.football365.com/news/premier-league-winners-and-losers-72


    Tottenham and Wembley
    The notion of a Wembley curse is obvious piping hot nonsense, but even used in jest alleviates Tottenham of responsibility. Their struggles in their temporary home are not through some ethereal crisis that can only be solved by Barry Fry urinating in each corner of the ground. The only solution is significant improvement and better back-up plans.

    Watching Tottenham at Wembley is a different experience to watching them at White Hart Lane, for sure. Their former ground was not daunting or unnerving for the opposition, but it was special. The stands were close to the pitch and that could help create a surge of atmosphere and goodwill that occasionally dragged the team on.

    That atmosphere is lacking at Wembley, which truly does still feel like a neutral ground for Tottenham. On Saturday evening, supporters were waiting for something to happen rather than assisting it, and that was reflected in a ponderous first-half performance. When it became clear that Tottenham were running out of time, the reaction was to groan and gripe at individual players and the team as a whole.

    Yet the biggest issue is not the stadium or the atmosphere, but how opposition managers have worked out the best way to combat Tottenham: give up the ball.

    In their three home league games this season, Tottenham have registered possession of 67% (Burnley), 68% (Chelsea) and 75% (Swansea). The exception is Borussia Dortmund, who had 68% possession and conceded more goals in 90 minutes than Burnley, Chelsea and Swansea combined. Perhaps it was arrogance or just poor planning, but Dortmund got it wrong.

    The difference between last season (when Tottenham dropped just four points at home) is obvious. Rank the 22 home games since the start of last season according to Spurs’ total possession, and Swansea would rank first, Chelsea fourth and Burnley fifth. Teams have calculated that by sitting back they can negate the threat of Tottenham’s counter-attacks led by Dele Alli and Christian Eriksen and typically finished by Harry Kane.

    In fact, last season offered hints of this possible strategy. Three of Tottenham’s tightest home victories over bottom-half teams (1-0 vs Sunderland, 1-0 vs Middlesbrough and 3-2 vs West Ham) came in the five home games in which they ranked highest for possession. As Swansea showed, these tactics require some good fortune and perhaps even refereeing incompetence, but they provide the best hope of frustrating Mauricio Pochettino’s team.

    That would also explain why Tottenham have been more effective away from home. They dominated possession against Newcastle, but struggled to break down Rafa Benitez’s side until Jonjo Shelvey’s sending-off. Against Everton, Tottenham had less possession than their league opposition for the only time this season, and won emphatically.

    Pochettino’s challenge is to find a way to overcome this latest roadblock, but the performance against Swansea contained little to please the manager. Having looked sluggish in the first half, as if waiting for Swansea to make a mistake rather than pushing the issue, Tottenham veered straight from patience to desperation.

    Supporters may wonder how on earth Tottenham failed to score with any of their 17 second-half shots, but only five were on target. Sixteen of their 26 attempts were from outside the area. For all Tottenham’s dominance, Lukasz Fabianski did not make a save that prompted standing applause.

    Improvements will come. Pochettino is too good a coach not to work on another Tottenham USP that can overcome this difficulty. Yet until he does, Burnley and Swansea have offered a blueprint of how to thwart Tottenham. Blaming some abstract notion of a curse does those two teams a disservice.
     
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  19. SlotBadger

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    Football 365 seem to be in the minority when it comes to credible and intelligent articles relating to Spurs.
     
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  20. nailsy

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    Can we start blaming the stadium for England being rubbish as well?
     
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