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The Summer Transfer Window POST MORTEM THREAD

Dillspur

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Oh he was always going to go to Citeh. And you're right Levy won't pay that.

Then do we question Poch? Who said we are now looking at top tier players, why bother it Levy isn't prepared to pay the transfer fees or wages to get them
 

nedley

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Then do we question Poch? Who said we are now looking at top tier players, why bother it Levy isn't prepared to pay the transfer fees or wages to get them

Im sure we are looking at top tier players. Im sure we always have however the market has changed considerably. Levy hasn't. He's the problem IMO.
 

Ron Burgundy

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But Mahrez would have improved us massively IMO.

As would Jorginho, or Ronaldo - it's all very well to simply name players who would improve us, but if we're unable to compete financially it's a pointless thing to say

Criticise us for Grealish or Martial (I'm convinced something could have been done there with a sufficiently affirmative stance), possibly even Richarliason (not saying I would want him, but if he has an incredible season, that will come up) but not something obviously out of reach
 

Ron Burgundy

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Im sure we are looking at top tier players. Im sure we always have however the market has changed considerably. Levy hasn't. He's the problem IMO.

Is he? He's definitely part of the problem, but how successful has our scouting been for the last few years, and can Levy really be considered fully to blame for all of it?:

Successes:
Davinson Sánchez
Heung-Min Son
Toby
Trippier

Jury still out:
Victor Wanyama - initially great, but questions now
Juan Foyth
Paulo Gazzaniga
Lucas Moura

Bad signing:
Moussa Sissoko
Vincent Janssen
Serge Aurier
Fernando Llorente
Georges-Kevin N'Koudou
Kevin Wimmer

I'm sorry, but over the last three year that's not a great record when you look at some of the players (that were certainly within our price bracket) that others have got.

Admittedly, there are players we've likely missed out on because of our budget, but the players we have bought have had a very mixed track record and Poch (or at the very least the team he works with) has to take some responsibility for that
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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Im sure we are looking at top tier players. Im sure we always have however the market has changed considerably. Levy hasn't. He's the problem IMO.

I don't think we can judge until we are in the stadium and can focus on a less inflated market next summer. The teams that spiked the market this summer (Everton, Liverpool, Fulham & Wolves) have signed their bulk of players now so I honestly do believe the prices won't be as ridiculous next time around
 

LeParisien

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Is he? He's definitely part of the problem, but how successful has our scouting been for the last few years, and can Levy really be considered fully to blame for all of it?:

Successes:
Davinson Sánchez
Heung-Min Son
Toby
Trippier

Jury still out:
Victor Wanyama - initially great, but questions now
Juan Foyth
Paulo Gazzaniga
Lucas Moura

Bad signing:
Moussa Sissoko
Vincent Janssen
Serge Aurier
Fernando Llorente
Georges-Kevin N'Koudou
Kevin Wimmer

I'm sorry, but over the last three year that's not a great record when you look at some of the players (that were certainly within our price bracket) that others have got.

Admittedly, there are players we've likely missed out on because of our budget, but the players we have bought have had a very mixed track record and Poch (or at the very least the team he works with) has to take some responsibility for that
Dele Alli has also come into our side the past 3 years.

Wanna find a team with a better record ?
 

dtxspurs

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Dele Alli has also come into our side the past 3 years.

Wanna find a team with a better record ?
Pool signed Salah, Andy Roberston & Van Dijk just last year.

It just shows more of what I thought all summer, our strategy had to change this summer as it has been poor ever since we've established ourselves as a champions league team.

Also worth noting that Son, Trippier, Toby & Dele all came in one window which was 3 years ago. The 3 since then have all been disappointments looking in hindsight.
 

LeParisien

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Pool signed Salah, Andy Roberston & Van Dijk just last year.

It just shows more of what I thought all summer, our strategy had to change this summer as it has been poor ever since we've established ourselves as a champions league team.

Also worth noting that Son, Trippier, Toby & Dele all came in one window which was 3 years ago. The 3 since then have all been disappointments looking in hindsight.
The €180m (***) that Liverpool have spent this year are all “jury still out”.

Otherwise we have ...

Successes

Van Dijk* - we can’t afford a player for that much
Salah*
Robertson
Mane*
Wijnaldum
Firmino*
Gomez
Milner


Jury still out

Ox
Clyne

Failures

Karius
Klaven
Benteke*
Ings
Grujic
Bogdan


Liverpool do have a really good hit rate - particularly with expensive signings. Benteke is the only failure.

* The stars represent signings that are more expensive than our record. There are 8 of them over the past 3 seasons. That highlights the fact they are in a different league financially to us (with the rest of the top 6). Remove the starred players and their record looks like ours!

Props to Liverpool who have the best record in the league with signings - very astute. But they have spent a huge amount on 8 occasions which is something we simply cannot afford to do!
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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Is he? He's definitely part of the problem, but how successful has our scouting been for the last few years, and can Levy really be considered fully to blame for all of it?:

Successes:
Davinson Sánchez
Heung-Min Son
Toby
Trippier

Jury still out:
Victor Wanyama - initially great, but questions now
Juan Foyth
Paulo Gazzaniga
Lucas Moura

Bad signing:
Moussa Sissoko
Vincent Janssen
Serge Aurier
Fernando Llorente
Georges-Kevin N'Koudou
Kevin Wimmer

I'm sorry, but over the last three year that's not a great record when you look at some of the players (that were certainly within our price bracket) that others have got.

Admittedly, there are players we've likely missed out on because of our budget, but the players we have bought have had a very mixed track record and Poch (or at the very least the team he works with) has to take some responsibility for that

Wanyama £11m - great piece of business
Foyth c£10m for a player with huge potential. If it doesn't work out we'll get our money back or more. Great piece of business
Lucas Moura - £24m - 19 goals from midfield in his last full season at PSG, 25 still and a previous golden boy of Brazilian football. Even as a squad player I think it was worth a punt. Decent piece of business and yet to get to stretch his legs out

Sissoko we all knew wasn't very good, panic buy. Aurier worth taking a chance on based on his natural talent. Needs to get his head right and stop fucking about with his love for clothes. Needs to learn a lot more and if he maraudes more I think he can be an exciting fullback. This season is key for him. Llorente hardly ever played and we choose not to play to his strengths. I wouldn't put him down to a scouting fail more a last minute squad strengthening signing, GKN hard to tell how he would get on as Ligue 1 is a different entity and was signed based on his potential, hasn't worked out it happens & Wimmer we signed for £4m sold for £20m

We have far more success than failures with transfers and even if the player doesn't work out the majority of the time it's money well spent. Just my opinion though
 

Ghost Hardware

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Our transfer record over the past 3 summer windows is atrocious, whoever's door you lay the blame at
I seriously worry about the ability of our European scouts. Our English based ones seem to be good, but we seem to struggle when it comes to Europe unless it’s a player who plays for Ajax. I know we are supposed to have excellent scouts according to those in the know but I’m yet to be convinced.
 

Who

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First time poster but long term lurker so take it easy team, the summer debacle combined with the recent stadium news has left me feeling nothing but absolutely gutted and negative for this season currently (yes I know I should be used to it and will get over it!). 40+ years supporter (I’ve seen it all hence do not do knee jerk meltdowns) but I just can’t shake it this time. Getting through last season at Wembley and retaining Top 4 was the biggest hurdle of them all for many years so to then not improve our squad with a single ‘quality’ signing beggars belief on many levels and cannot possibly ever be explained or have been part of a cunning plan irrespective of all the reasons (& excuses) outlined as to possibly why. What I find most interesting (unless I’ve missed it, if so, sorry) hence my post, is that once the post dust deadline day has settled, I’ve not seen any post mortem considered views from any of our wonderful ITK’s, appreciate maybe too sensitive to share hence I get but to go from all the links to nothing just makes no logical sense. If it was simply the usual DL balls up then so be it but if so, Poch cannot possibly be happy / be forgiving / is vulnerable to leave unless DL has made very specific promises to recover this sh$? show..which we’re all led to believe he did earlier in the summer hence would lack credibility with Poch who we know is a man of high integrity.
 

spursfan77

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Pool signed Salah, Andy Roberston & Van Dijk just last year.

It just shows more of what I thought all summer, our strategy had to change this summer as it has been poor ever since we've established ourselves as a champions league team.

Also worth noting that Son, Trippier, Toby & Dele all came in one window which was 3 years ago. The 3 since then have all been disappointments looking in hindsight.

Maybe Mitchell wasn’t as bad as I thought he was. I still reckon we dropped a bollock by not pushing for Monchi when he left Sevilla.

As for Poch, the jury is still out for me on his player recruitment, he should say the type of player he wants but be the coach and that’s it. That’s what he’s best at.
 

cliff jones

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First time poster but long term lurker so take it easy team, the summer debacle combined with the recent stadium news has left me feeling nothing but absolutely gutted and negative for this season currently (yes I know I should be used to it and will get over it!). 40+ years supporter (I’ve seen it all hence do not do knee jerk meltdowns) but I just can’t shake it this time. Getting through last season at Wembley and retaining Top 4 was the biggest hurdle of them all for many years so to then not improve our squad with a single ‘quality’ signing beggars belief on many levels and cannot possibly ever be explained or have been part of a cunning plan irrespective of all the reasons (& excuses) outlined as to possibly why. What I find most interesting (unless I’ve missed it, if so, sorry) hence my post, is that once the post dust deadline day has settled, I’ve not seen any post mortem considered views from any of our wonderful ITK’s, appreciate maybe too sensitive to share hence I get but to go from all the links to nothing just makes no logical sense. If it was simply the usual DL balls up then so be it but if so, Poch cannot possibly be happy / be forgiving / is vulnerable to leave unless DL has made very specific promises to recover this sh$? show..which we’re all led to believe he did earlier in the summer hence would lack credibility with Poch who we know is a man of high integrity.

you're right of course and I'm not looking forward to next summer at all, where we could well lose Poch, Eriksen, Dembele and Toby.

I've decided to bury my head in the sand in the meantime, like the BSoDL...
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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Maybe Mitchell wasn’t as bad as I thought he was. I still reckon we dropped a bollock by not pushing for Monchi when he left Sevilla.

As for Poch, the jury is still out for me on his player recruitment, he should say the type of player he wants but be the coach and that’s it. That’s what he’s best at.

I think he's more hands on than that. He should tell the scouting department the type of quality he wants, let the scouts travel the world and then when he has reports on the calibre found, strip it down by looking at the type of character fit he'd have in the team. I think Pochettino likes a lot of influence when it comes to these kind of things
 

mill

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I wonder if we’ll persevere with our leaving it until the last week tactics next summer or have lessons been learned?
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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I wonder if we’ll persevere with our leaving it until the last week tactics next summer or have lessons been learned?

I think we have little choice than to wait until the final weeks @mill . I get the impression that once we show our hand agents will tout about and our rivals will show interest. I think part of this model is to wait for rivals to spend their dough so they can't swoop in and gazump up
 
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