The Summer Transfer Window POST MORTEM THREAD

[Spurzinho]

Basically. There's an entire book with the name "brave" in the title, and the word is used pretty gratuitously, but he talks about how he likes to do things:

"Sometimes club presidents and chairman appoint a coach because of his CV, but until they make a real connection, they don't truly understand what they've brought to the club. Spending so many hours together helped Daniel get closer to how we think,"

"We spoke about being more effective, about strategies, about how we can improve and become more competitive. About why I prefer to give homegrown kids chances rather than signing players, and the problems that can be caused by buying players you don't need.

"Leaving a signing on the bench is not the same as having an academy graduate as a bench-warmer."

"A chairman and a manager can only really talk football at a superficial level. But I was able to explain to him in detail how, the more defined your playing style is, the more difficult transfers become, because either a player gives you something specific you're lacking, or you're better off not signing anyone."

I can only see this as follows: Pochettino is not convinced that just 'buying players for the sake of buying players' is worthwhile. Imo, history suggests Levy loves transfer wrangles, and would probably sign 10 players each window if he could - but Poch wants quality over quantity. With that in mind, it just wouldn't surprise me if he said "If we can't sign (Zaha/Grealish/Martial), then we sign nobody", on the basis that signing a lesser player would mean less money available, and yet another player to move on in the future.

Maybe it's a combination of Poch's admiration of Fergie and his philosophies (complimenting youth academy players with one specific 'big' first-team style player each year), the book quotes about "don't sign a player unless he's worth signing (paraphrasing the above)", and the bits about preferring club-grown players (lots of quotes and behaviour patterns behind this one).


Either way, I don't think Poch is on the same wavelength as people's expectations of quantity over specific qualities. I can only imagine the plan will be to see how Zaha, Martial and Grealish get on over the next 4 months, baring in mind how much outlay is involved, then perhaps revisit in January - if required.

It's all guesswork and a bit of 1+1 with it all, but I just can't see that Levy and Poch have suddenly become different people overnight. If we're being honest with ourselves, I think we all know that Levy would have signed a few last-minute deals today if it had been 100% down to him - I can only imagine Poch has vetoed any squad fillers (and looking at what other clubs signed, there wasn't a lot of value for money going on).

That doesn't explain earlier activity, but I do think that if anyone was frustrated by today's window end, it would have been Levy. Poch would have had his moments of angst when we got sold a kipper over the 3 main (obvious) targets.

Then our failure was to attract any of Zaha, Grealish or Martial. They each had a price. We would have known what it was. We, allegedly, had plenty of cash. Clubs that have money (which these days is all of them) aren't under any pressure to sell so low-balling them is not going to work. Getting a bargain is probably a thing of the past too. The market is inflated, pay the fees or get out and stop trying to convince your punters that they should pay luxury money if you're not prepared to bankroll a luxury product. You can't have it both ways.

 

[SpursSince1980]

Look, I agree. I would have loved some signings, but surely the point of this


Ok, lets look at the facts. I see Liverpool having strenghted massively. They are still a bigger club than us. Arsenal - meh. Chelsea - could go either way. United could collapse. City bought Mahrez, fine, improvememt on Snae or Sterling?

Not an improvement, but not a fall off either. That's the issue for us... depth... oh, and midfield.
If Harry, Toby, Eriksen don't play, there's a significant gap in quality, due to lack of depth that comes close to replacing what they can do on the field.
So, yeah, Mahrez isn't better than Sane or Sterling. But he is arguably just as good on his day. Which means, should they miss out on a game, there will be no drop in quality.
Can we say the same?

 

[dtxspurs]

I think Grealish was one to be honest. The other maybe a left back considering the news on Rose (Kurzawa). I think CM might have been a red herring.

Wouldn't surprise me if we were in talks over Kovacic and Chelsea screwed us.

Don't doubt this last sentence one bit.

 

[MightySpurs]

Same shit- different window


On the plus side-we are better than last year. I think consistency in the squad will pay off.

Nice start to the season, with a couple of wins, and we’re fine

 

[Ricky_Yid]

And to add to what Hercs said, Poch and Levy werent talking a week ago or so....i hate being negative....

Well it was fun while it lasted

 

[viktorviktor]

For me, Eriksens contract is the canary in the coalmine. He's stated that he wants to compete at the top level - if it's with Tottenham or someone else. I can't imagine him signing up if there's a risk of Poch leaving.

 

[goldenviking]

Not an improvement, but not a fall off either. That's the issue for us... depth... oh, and midfield.
If Harry, Toby, Eriksen don't play, there's a significant gap in quality, due to lack of depth that comes close to replacing what they can do on the field.
So, yeah, Mahrez isn't better than Sane or Sterling. But he is arguably just as good on his day. Which means, should they miss out on a game, there will be no drop in quality.
Can we say the same?

True, but we are not Man City, the biggest ticket in town. I would have loved Martial/Toby swap, alas it didnt happen. Lets see the bigger picture. Thats all

 

[Drink!Drink!]

Thinking negative tonight

1, I sense the inability to have a new stadium naming rights deal in place for this season, a paper loss of around 20m, spooked Levy into hyper caution

2, I have nothing to back this up, but I am worried there is some kind of internal power play at the club. Poch asserted himself at the start of the summer, Levy didn’t want to be seen to have caved in by making early deals...took it to the wire again to show who is in charge. Let’s be charitable and say that didn’t happen..but some of this put such scenarios on the radar

 

[nailsy]

For everyone going on about how much Pochettino has done for us, yeah he’s been great and I love him but come on, he’s not doing it out of the goodness of his heart, he’s doing his job, a very wonderful job that makes all of our jobs look horrible. I think he’s been brilliant and wouldn’t trade him for anyone (well, maybe Pep), but he’s paid to manage us to the best of his ability and that’s what he’s done. I’m not going to feel sorry for a guy who earns £8m a year to do a job that I’d do for enough to cover my meagre lifestyle.

He's not doing it for of the goodness of his heart, he's doing it because he wants to be successful. Yes, he's well paid, but how long will he stay if he's not happy with the way the club is run?

 

[goldenviking]

Some of you might benefit listening to Harry’s interview on five live earlier.

 

[Hercules]

And to add to what Hercs said, Poch and Levy werent talking a week ago or so....i hate being negative....

People don’t want to hear that! I know the club well enough to know how it spins BULLSHIT! Some of us know the truth, and they can’t shut us up! And they can’t sue us neither.

 

[sausage]

Then our failure was to attract any of Zaha, Grealish or Martial. They each had a price. We would have known what it was. We, allegedly, had plenty of cash. Clubs that have money (which these days is all of them) aren't under any pressure to sell so low-balling them is not going to work. Getting a bargain is probably a thing of the past too. The market is inflated, pay the fees or get out and stop trying to convince your punters that they should pay luxury money if you're not prepared to bankroll a luxury product. You can't have it both ways.

I mean, they allegedly had a price. Grealish apparently had a price, until we went to pay it (reportedly) and the price changed. Feels a bit like Palace never intended to sell Zaha, as Chelsea sniffed and didn't bite. Not that I blame them, as they rely on him heavily.

I also don't think Martial was ever going to be sold to us.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Some of you might benefit listening to Harry’s interview on five live earlier.

Any quotes on this site?

 

[sausage]

Some of you might benefit listening to Harry’s interview on five live earlier.

This?

 

[LeParisien]

People don’t want to hear that! I know the club well enough to know how it spins BULLSHIT! Some of us know the truth, and they can’t shut us up! And they can’t sue us neither.

Wow

 

[George94]

JJ says Poch is fine, no issues...

But Herc says Poch isn’t happy, and ValenciaYid backs it up with saying Poch and Levy weren’t even fucking talking last week!?

What the fuck is going on, I’m so confused.

 

[SpursSince1980]

People don’t want to hear that! I know the club well enough to know how it spins BULLSHIT! Some of us know the truth, and they can’t shut us up! And they can’t sue us neither.

Well, my man... if it's the truth you wish to preach... then blow that whistle, buddy... loud and proud!

 

[Hercules]

JJ says Poch is fine, no issues...

But Herc says Poch isn’t happy, and ValenciaYid backs it up with saying Poch and Levy weren’t even fucking talking last week!?

What the fuck is going on, I’m so confused.

Let us wait through the season. Depending how things go will reveal a lot. Poch is reluctantly accepting the BULLSHIT DL has been telling him on why...

I know why I say that

 

[goldenviking]

That’s the one. Seriously, I love signings, and I am as perplexed as anyone how we are the first team since 2003 not to sign a player in the transfer window, but come on.. I was hoping for us to make a move for Jack Grealish. Jack Grealish!!

We didn’t make a signing, because there were none to be had. None that would have improved us anyways.

 

[TC18]

It’s all starting to make a little sense now, Dirty Donnas interview which I think Herc mentioned something about and some other previous pieces of ITK.

What is Daniel up to? ?