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talkshowhost86

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He really did.

One man got involved in some stupid post match shenanigans which were in many ways understandable due to the provocation and racism in the build up.

The other attacked a bus with no provocation and injured bystanders. Indulged in racism, abuse and childish name-calling. And then got his arse handed to him both in and after the match.

Only one of them looks the most stupid and it isn't Khabib.
 

mil1lion

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They were both in the wrong for what they each did, Conor with the bus attack and Khabib for jumping into the crowd. If Conor was an active champion when he attacked the bus he should have been stripped and suspended. I think Khabib should be stripped and suspended too for nearly causing a riot. Sure Conor got a bit involved but it was Khabib that set everything off.

What's crazy is Khabib did well to stay calm through all the build up and stayed that way into the fight. He got the win but still reacted that way at the end. You already got the win so why such anger after?
 

werty

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One man got involved in some stupid post match shenanigans which were in many ways understandable due to the provocation and racism in the build up.

The other attacked a bus with no provocation and injured bystanders. Indulged in racism, abuse and childish name-calling. And then got his arse handed to him both in and after the match.

Only one of them looks the most stupid and it isn't Khabib.
McGregor was a twat for attacking a group, but Nabib and his people are fine for attacking a group of people and endangering people in the crowd?

If people fall for McGregor's antics then they are bigger fools than him. He's a WWE character out of the ring and will say anything to wind people up and get people to pay money to watch him.

Arse handed to him after the fight by being attacked by three different people, all of who ran away when he squared up to them? :LOL: You clearly don't like McGregor, which I don't blame you, but you're easily letting your opinion of him sway your judgement.
 

N17 Kebab

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Cash cows can’t afford to lose though, they quickly lose their appeal. McGregors biggest problem is he now has to face guys his own size and there are plenty at that weight who can give him serious trouble/beat him.
He made a fortune through his self promotion - without his behaviour and on ability alone he wouldn’t have got the Mayweather $100m. I am not sure he will really be up for proving his MMA legacy and may just try the movies etc. UFC has not really been fulll of trash talk like boxing, which was refreshing, until he arrived.
 

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McGregor was a twat for attacking a group, but Nabib and his people are fine for attacking a group of people and endangering people in the crowd?

If people fall for McGregor's antics then they are bigger fools than him. He's a WWE character out of the ring and will say anything to wind people up and get people to pay money to watch him.

Arse handed to him after the fight by being attacked by three different people, all of who ran away when he squared up to them? :LOL: You clearly don't like McGregor, which I don't blame you, but you're easily letting your opinion of him sway your judgement.

I don't necessarily think what Khabib and his team did was 'fine'. But it was understandable.

McGregor threw the first slap at the trainers so boohoo if they slapped him back. Same for his pathetic entourage who couldn't seem to deal with one guy between them despite mouthing off all match.

And justifying McGregor's behaviour 'because it makes money' is simply not okay. It's perfectly possible to do all the smack talk and build up without crossing the lines that McGregor did.

Deserved every bit of it.
 

SugarRay

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He made a fortune through his self promotion - without his behaviour and on ability alone he wouldn’t have got the Mayweather $100m. I am not sure he will really be up for proving his MMA legacy and may just try the movies etc. UFC has not really been fulll of trash talk like boxing, which was refreshing, until he arrived.

Absolutely. He captured a certain type of persons imagination, and his popularity, although hard to fully understand ( much like Mayweather supposed popularity and the likes of the Kardashians etc ) gave him the platform to make loads of money, and fair play to him.
How he managed to land a fight with Mayweather for example, when there were probably 100 pro boxers at his weight that would beat McGregor, is pretty mad really!

I think he’s finished in the UFC now. It’s too tough for him. Easier ways to make money for him now.
 

werty

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I don't necessarily think what Khabib and his team did was 'fine'. But it was understandable.

McGregor threw the first slap at the trainers so boohoo if they slapped him back. Same for his pathetic entourage who couldn't seem to deal with one guy between them despite mouthing off all match.

And justifying McGregor's behaviour 'because it makes money' is simply not okay. It's perfectly possible to do all the smack talk and build up without crossing the lines that McGregor did.

Deserved every bit of it.
There was more than one guy in the kafuffle outside the octagon.

I'm not justifying McGregor's behaviour. I'm saying Nabib should expect it because it happens all the time, and he gets his chance to punish him for it when they get inside the Octagon. "Boohoo" if he was upset about it. If he was that upset about it there were plenty of opportunities to attack McGregor and his people before the fight.
 

talkshowhost86

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There was more than one guy in the kafuffle outside the octagon.

I'm not justifying McGregor's behaviour. I'm saying Nabib should expect it because it happens all the time, and he gets his chance to punish him for it when they get inside the Octagon. "Boohoo" if he was upset about it. If he was that upset about it there were plenty of opportunities to attack McGregor and his people before the fight.

Yup he should just ignore racism and attacks on his family.

The fact that anyone 'expected' it shows what a long term prick Conor has been.

Just a shame that so many people like him because he's a prick. Says a lot about his fans in the same way as those who like Mayweather.

Anyway...hopefully having been embarrassed twice in a night we'll not see much more of McGregor now.
 

werty

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Yup he should just ignore racism and attacks on his family.

The fact that anyone 'expected' it shows what a long term prick Conor has been.

Just a shame that so many people like him because he's a prick. Says a lot about his fans in the same way as those who like Mayweather.

Anyway...hopefully having been embarrassed twice in a night we'll not see much more of McGregor now.
Racism is never ok. I didn't see all of the comments so I don't know what the racist ones are you're talking about.

I don't know why he has such an appeal either, but he does and that's why he gets away with things.

Again, how was he embarrassed twice? It says a lot of about the people who dislike him that they think getting beaten by a great fighter and being attacked from behind is embarrassing and are happy to see his team getting attacked.
 

talkshowhost86

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Racism is never ok. I didn't see all of the comments so I don't know what the racist ones are you're talking about.

I don't know why he has such an appeal either, but he does and that's why he gets away with things.

Again, how was he embarrassed twice? It says a lot of about the people who dislike him that they think getting beaten by a great fighter and being attacked from behind is embarrassing and are happy to see his team getting attacked.

Mouthing off the way he was and getting easily beaten was embarrassing.

Having your mouthy entourage made to look silly by pretty much one guy is embarrassing.

Even the sneak attack from the Khabib team was quite embarrassing for him as he threw the first punch.

And yes I'm glad he got embarrassed. Because he's a terrible person.
 

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As for a rematch, I think McGregor would get mauled again. In fact, I'm not even sure how excited I'd be for a rematch between the two after seeing that, at least in terms of the actual fight.
 

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This is wrong, I've been saying for a long time now that Conor isn't as good as people think, yes he has some ability but it's his mouth that bought him success. He was getting beat up Mendez, he caught Aldo with a great punch, never gave him the rematch. Knocked out Alvarez who wasn't the hardest opponent he could have fought, got beaten by Diaz, narrowly won the rematch, then avoided Khabib and Ferguson for two years. What you saw was his honest level. He would get beat by Ferguson Al Iquinta, Kevin Lee and maybe Edwin Barboza, Petis and Johnson too.

He had everything to do with what happened after the fight, he attacked the bus, he chose to take the piss out of his family, country and religion, no one has ever seen Khabib get that mad before.

It's exactly as you say, and I said...even for the pre-match trash talking, he went way too far. There's a limit to what you should be able to get away with and clearly, it was more important for Conor to 'sell' the fight than to respect the other man's family, his nationality and his religion. This is why I'm so glad he got beat and in such a manner. He got neck cranked and submitted, which is the ultimate humiliation.

I can't condone Khabib's reactions, but I can understand them. Pre-fight, it was all about Conor's great comeback. it was all about his filthy mouth and his complete lack of respect for his opponent. After the fight, Khabib was determined to make him pay for it.

I can see bad things happening to Khabib now and it's a real shame because he is truly one of the greatest fighters to have ever graced the octagon, now 27-0 but maybe never to return.

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N17 Kebab

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Mouthing off the way he was and getting easily beaten was embarrassing.

Having your mouthy entourage made to look silly by pretty much one guy is embarrassing.

Even the sneak attack from the Khabib team was quite embarrassing for him as he
And yes I'm glad he got embarrassed. Because he's a terrible person.

Is he really a terrible person? Seems he’s just very quick witted and plays up like MMA is a WWE promotion which broadened a relatively niche sports appeal to wider public. Quite surprised anyone within the sport could take it so seriously - obviously Khabib did and credit to him that he managed to win on the sporting side so easily even though he was carrying so much emotion.
 

talkshowhost86

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Is he really a terrible person? Seems he’s just very quick witted and plays up like MMA is a WWE promotion which broadened a relatively niche sports appeal to wider public. Quite surprised anyone within the sport could take it so seriously - obviously Khabib did and credit to him that he managed to win on the sporting side so easily even though he was carrying so much emotion.

It's not WWE though. Attacking someone's ethnicity and their family isn't character work. It's what McGregor is in reality and everything in his career shows that.
 

N17 Kebab

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It's not WWE though. Attacking someone's ethnicity and their family isn't character work. It's what McGregor is in reality and everything in his career shows that.
Not unusual in boxing. Dana White should have regulated his smak talk years ago- generally the community are respectful and educated with a “martial arts” philosophy within such intense physical competition & pressure. White even used the bus incident as part of the promotion for the event, but now says he was disgusted by the incidents.
 

talkshowhost86

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Not unusual in boxing. Dana White should have regulated his smak talk years ago- generally the community are respectful and educated with a “martial arts” philosophy within such intense physical competition & pressure. White even used the bus incident as part of the promotion for the event, but now says he was disgusted by the incidents.

Yeah White and co have a lot to answer for. I've seen some people saying this is symptomatic of UFC in general, but it really isn't.

Unfortunately Conor is the face of UFC at the moment and White has to accept a lot of responsibility for allowing him to get to this stage.
 

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I’ll be honest, I don’t really watch UFC. I don’t know a whole lot about most of the guys in it. I watch the occasional big fight like this one - and I have been following the build up to this fight. I must say, I get that he is ‘playing a character to sell a fight’ and I understand how he makes UFC big bucks. Personally I don’t like him. I think he goes too far with the things he says. It’s one thing to talk about knocking people out, glass jaws, even the ‘little rat’ comments don’t bother me too much. Let’s face it pro fighters have been called worse.

However, the bus attack, the racist comments, the comments about Khabibs family and religion I think take it too far. There’s no respect there and those things shouldn’t be said. I watched last nights fight in the hope of McGregor being out in his place and frankly he was. I felt Khabib controlled that fight, had a game plan and showed himself to be superior.

Unfortunately though, as much as the racism and other comments are unforgivable. I think Khabib was wrong to do what he did. As others have said, the fact he controlled the fight then snapped at the end is very strange. Now of course I don’t know what was said to him but to be honest I think he was stupid for doing what he did. By going out in to the crowd he put lots of people at risk, and the videos of fans fighting in the concourse, whilst, not directly caused by Khabib (pissed up fight fans) it probably wouldn’t have happened had Khabib not done what he did.

I completely understand that being the recipient of much of the treatment that McGregor gave Khabib must be horrendous and must piss you off more than anything.

For me though, Khabib should have dominated the fight, shut Mcgregors mouth and stood tall. Hell, use the post match interview to talk about putting racism and bullies in their place and how you want to return more respect to the sport. Don’t leap into the crowd and start a brawl. Had he have not reacted afterwards he would have done himself the world of good.
 

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It's exactly as you say, and I said...even for the pre-match trash talking, he went way too far. There's a limit to what you should be able to get away with and clearly, it was more important for Conor to 'sell' the fight than to respect the other man's family, his nationality and his religion. This is why I'm so glad he got beat and in such a manner. He got neck cranked and submitted, which is the ultimate humiliation.

I can't condone Khabib's reactions, but I can understand them. Pre-fight, it was all about Conor's great comeback. it was all about his filthy mouth and his complete lack of respect for his opponent. After the fight, Khabib was determined to make him pay for it.

I can see bad things happening to Khabib now and it's a real shame because he is truly one of the greatest fighters to have ever graced the octagon, now 27-0 but maybe never to return.

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Joe Rogan said on his podcast that Khabib was thinking of retiring after this fight anyways, said he's been fighting like this since he was 15 and he's had enough.

If the ufc take the belt away from khabib their just gigantic hypocrits.
 

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I think the biggest shame is with Khabib in that he's made such an incredible positive into such a massive negative. I wouldn't even scrutinise him too much for what he did as he had to put up with a lot of shit from Connor and took it all on the chin and rightly so did all the talking with his hands. He shit-talked McGregor throughout and initially straight after the fight, that's fine, they don't have to hug it out, hell, even stick your middle finger in his face after your hand is raised, but despite what Connor had done you should try and be the bigger man and limit your reactions. You can't jump the cage and start attacking team members, just like you can't smash a bus window and endanger people like McGregor did but two wrongs don't make a right. The worst people were the three people of Khabib's entourage who jumped the cage and attacked Connor.

A shame for Khabib really, he just got the biggest win of his career and could have woken up feeling like a million dollars with the world praising him but instead he's gonna have to deal with a shit load of criticism and as of now will be mostly remembered for putting a stain on the sport.
I agree with everything that you have said, it's a real shame for Khabib t
They were both in the wrong for what they each did, Conor with the bus attack and Khabib for jumping into the crowd. If Conor was an active champion when he attacked the bus he should have been stripped and suspended. I think Khabib should be stripped and suspended too for nearly causing a riot. Sure Conor got a bit involved but it was Khabib that set everything off.

What's crazy is Khabib did well to stay calm through all the build up and stayed that way into the fight. He got the win but still reacted that way at the end. You already got the win so why such anger after?
Adrenaline. Pure and simple. He, by Rogen's accounts, had been pelted with abuse from outside the cage by Dilon and when they're in that fighting focused mindset it's not easy to just switch it off. I imagine had that been a 50/50 contest and both gone the distance then they probably would have both just slumped in exhaustion but as many have pointed out Khabib looked like he was sill tanked up and what you saw was all that pre-fight stress just come bursting out at once, must take a high level of constraint to not explode like that. Not saying I agree with it, and he should be stripped. A lot of hate in that fight.
 
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