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The Weekend ITK Discussion Thread - 25/26 August 2012

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Snarfalicious

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I agree that Isco is going to be brilliant, but is he a Modric replacement? I don't think so. He's not a CM, Dembele is. Shouldn't be a case of one or the other. Not entirely sure where Isco would fit into our team unless we sell VdV but ideally I'd like to sign both him and Dembele (rather optimistic I know).

He's got experience on the wings from what some were saying.

And, I think with us having Sherwood there for the CL match, and reportedly having a scout (not sure if it were Sherwood or someone else) there for the Mallorca match, to pair with the bid submitted for him, we've definitely got interest in him.

Even if we brought him on for wing cover, some creative flair in the midfield when the situation presents itself, and simply just mold him into the player we want, he'd be a fantastic buy as one for the future.
 

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My wishlist was always Moutinho. LD and Lloris. But with how things have shaken out and what not I'd be happy with Dembele,Isco and Aubameyang. Still want Lloris as well but.... Dembele to play along Sandro. Isco to play in VDV's spot when Rafa comes out. Rafa is starting to age and has never been the most injury free player. Gylfi/Aubameyang as wing cover. With Aubameyang doubling as the backup striker.

Also the costs of Dembele £15. Isco £12 and Aubameyang £12? would be inexpensive with some real sell-on value in there.
 

Snarfalicious

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My wishlist was always Moutinho. LD and Lloris. But with how things have shaken out and what not I'd be happy with Dembele,Isco and Aubameyang. Still want Lloris as well but.... Dembele to play along Sandro. Isco to play in VDV's spot when Rafa comes out. Rafa is starting to age and has never been the most injury free player. Gylfi/Aubameyang as wing cover. With Aubameyang doubling as the backup striker.

Also the costs of Dembele £15. Isco £12 and Aubameyang £12? would be inexpensive with some real sell-on value in there.

Truly would be.

It'd actually make for some excitement in the cup matches when we rest some of our regulars.

I think it's wise to remember that last year we netted about £20m from sales. This year, we still might sell Dawson (£7-9m) to pair with Modric (£28-35m) and we're only in the red this window by £5m at this point. We've got money to spend. It's about time we fucking do it.
 

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My wishlist was always Moutinho. LD and Lloris. But with how things have shaken out and what not I'd be happy with Dembele,Isco and Aubameyang. Still want Lloris as well but.... Dembele to play along Sandro. Isco to play in VDV's spot when Rafa comes out. Rafa is starting to age and has never been the most injury free player. Gylfi/Aubameyang as wing cover. With Aubameyang doubling as the backup striker.

Also the costs of Dembele £15. Isco £12 and Aubameyang £12? would be inexpensive with some real sell-on value in there.

I would be happy with that outcome too, but if you think that is "inexpensive" then I think you need to lower your expectations. Thats £40m there!!! if people are thinking thats the bare minimum we are going to spend then there are going to be many disappointed people around here I feel.
 

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It's usual to have some discrepancy between players that the manager would like and players that the guys upstairs would prefer.

Don't forget that AVB is head coach, he's not a Fergie type manager with unlimited power across the entire club. I'm sure he was quite aware before he came in that transfer recruitment would be a collective effort.

He shouldn't have all encompassing power but when it comes down to it the manager should have more say than Daniel Levy when it comes to the right players to bring into the club.

If Levy is deciding what we can and can't afford then that is fine and what his role should be. If he is shaping the players we choose and look at and overruling the managers wishes then well that is to put it mildly fucking absurd. It's like being Chelsea without the owner splashing major cash.
 

Gaz_Gammon

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so where does all the modric money go if it's not used to buy moutinho?


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Pedro

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I wonder whether isco can be converted to a cm. even if he cant it looks like he can cover am rw lw so still worth getting. Not sure I can see us getting him and willian though if Avb doesn't see him able to play cm. In that case I wonder who is higher on the list.
 

yiddo

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I wonder whether isco can be converted to a cm. even if he cant it looks like he can cover am rw lw so still worth getting. Not sure I can see us getting him and willian though if Avb doesn't see him able to play cm. In that case I wonder who is higher on the list.

OR who Levy thinks is better value....
 

Snarfalicious

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I wonder whether isco can be converted to a cm. even if he cant it looks like he can cover am rw lw so still worth getting. Not sure I can see us getting him and willian though if Avb doesn't see him able to play cm. In that case I wonder who is higher on the list.

He played pretty deep at times in their CL match. In his match against Mallorca, at one point he was dispossessed at the top of the box, raced back in defense and regained possession from an opponent at about the midfield line. It was a beautiful play that spoke to his ability. I think he could be a nice fit as the attacking mid in a 4-3-3. I think about Him, Sandro, and Dembele together and I get shivers. Then it becomes what happens to Siggy? He's also a real talent.
 

InOffMeLeftShin

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I wonder whether isco can be converted to a cm. even if he cant it looks like he can cover am rw lw so still worth getting. Not sure I can see us getting him and willian though if Avb doesn't see him able to play cm. In that case I wonder who is higher on the list.

I think Willian is higher on the list but I'd definitely prefer Isco. He has that great ability in tight spaces to wriggle free and then slip a ball through and can play multiple different positions. Whilst not being a replacement for Modric he does offer some of the same qualities, they'd just be utilised higher up the pitch (which is great if we continue developing the high line and heavy pressing). Whether he'd be first choice or not, I really think that we need to add more technically gifted, creative players in order for us to push on. We looked excellent for periods v. WBA but I can't help imagining how good we would have looked in that first half set up with Modric's creativity and a fully fit Ade up front. I think we'd have pummeled them.

For central midfield if we can't get Moutinho then I think we should just focus on bringing in more quality (regardless of the playing style). M'Vila and Dembele would both be nice additions and a central midfield of M'Vila, Sandro and Dembele would certainly never see us lightweight in the engine room, whilst still having quality. Then it is up to our combination of pace and guile in the front 3 and overlapping fullbacks to see us outplay the opposition.

Hoping the three for the week are M'Vila, Dembele and Isco (would love a world class striker but I don't see one appearing in the short time we have left).
 

Pedro

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He played pretty deep at times in their CL match. In his match against Mallorca, at one point he was dispossessed at the top of the box, raced back in defense and regained possession from an opponent at about the midfield line. It was a beautiful play that spoke to his ability. I think he could be a nice fit as the attacking mid in a 4-3-3. I think about Him, Sandro, and Dembele together and I get shivers. Then it becomes what happens to Siggy? He's also a real talent.
That's the issue really, iscos best position is where siggy and vdv play. Would make sense if vdv is off. Is a midfield,of Sandro isco and siggy/vdv feasible or too ossie ardiles?
 

YankeeYid9

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I would be happy with that outcome too, but if you think that is "inexpensive" then I think you need to lower your expectations. Thats £40m there!!! if people are thinking thats the bare minimum we are going to spend then there are going to be many disappointed people around here I feel.

But I mean no individual player would be over £15. No spending £20+EACH on Willian, Moutinho and Leandro. Also with younger players the sell on value is there. I didn't mean the total outlay was inexpensive. But if Levy haggled them down to £36mil for those 3 I'd say it was inexpensive...
 

Snarfalicious

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I'd love to see what this squad could do with AVB's players.

From what we've seen from the squad so far utilizing players who obviously aren't exactly what he wants, it's been incredibly promising. If we had creativity in the midfield to match what we've shown so far, my goodness we'd be playing some beautiful football.
 

InOffMeLeftShin

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It seems Levy's gone mad with power.

It's been difficult. There is no point in just signing players for the hell of it because they are available. We also can't just let players go for less than their value just because they want to leave (Madrid offering £24m for Modric for example). Whilst I'd have loved us to get things done early we've seen some of our top targets go elsewhere for huge money (Hazard and Oscar spring to mind) whilst others seem to be being priced way too high (Leandro, Moutinho and Lloris). I certainly wouldn't want the job of signing players that are actually going to take us to the next level. Looks easy on paper, but I think it is a tough job. Going to be a long week!
 

liam17oi

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Imperative we get Lloris. We need a new goalkeeper. Brad should have dealt with the danger re West Brom's goal.
 

amathews3416

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I think it was telling when AVB was hired he was named "Head Coach" and not the Manager. To me, that says he will have some influence on transfer policy, but the buck stops w/ Levy.

I would actually be happy if Levy overrules AVB and gets us Dembele as a Modric replacement.
 

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A long read to catch up, with some very concerning comments about the hierachy at Spurs. IMO, and I guess this comes from expereince over the last few windows, I think we will:

- Finally get rid of Modric
- Sign Dembele or equivalent Modric replacement (position-wise, not talent), but it won't be Moutinho (unfortunately)
- Sign Willian
- Sign a back-up striker - can't see it being LD until Jan.
- Loan Jenas, Hudd, Daws and Bentley
- Not sign a keeper (sadly). It's almost like Friedel has a clause in his contract, stating that he must start to maintain his Cal Ripken-like streak.

On another note it seems this window, whilst probably not being super successful for us, will be known for Akqa's drunken enthusiasm and the following cracker sayings:

- Meltdown !!!
- Chill, we got this
- Falcao. Goodnight (or "insert any players name". Goodnight.)
 
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