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Actually the dislike was from Deufman who has been a member since Jan 2008 and made ZERO entries. WTF? Maybe a supporter for a rival club, reporter, NOB?

I was talking about Mr Pinks previous message. My (accidental) dislike of it put me head to head against JJ... don't think I'll win that somehow.

Pushed loads of buttons and think I've managed to remove my dislike (if thats possible)
 

Breezer

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So, in his interview earlier, AVB was talking about how he planned to re-integrate Modric into the squad if his move didn't go through. If Modric stays, will he still want Moutinho, who he seems set on?

And can we all just take a moment to consider the awesomeness of those two playing in our midfield together.:love:
Can't see that happening! AVB just playing the media game with Mods.
 

etchedchaos

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So, in his interview earlier, AVB was talking about how he planned to re-integrate Modric into the squad if his move didn't go through. If Modric stays, will he still want Moutinho, who he seems set on?

And can we all just take a moment to consider the awesomeness of those two playing in our midfield together.:love:

Those two together would be a dream. But if Modric stayed I think AVB would be happier than having Moutinho, few on the planet compare to Luka.
 

etchedchaos

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No different to us selling Modric this late in the window.

Using Justin's logic then why does any club sell anyone who isn't surplus to requirements once preseason training begins then? It doesn't matter how late it is, deals can still be struck until the window shuts.
 

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So, in his interview earlier, AVB was talking about how he planned to re-integrate Modric into the squad if his move didn't go through. If Modric stays, will he still want Moutinho, who he seems set on?

And can we all just take a moment to consider the awesomeness of those two playing in our midfield together.:love:

I rated this Optimistic, 'cause that is exactly what it is. I know too little about Moutinho to comment with any confidence. However, enough people on this forum seem to rate him for me to think that it would be fantastic, not to mention it would give us great options, depending on the opposition.

Let's hope. :D
 

Breezer

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Using Justin's logic then why does any club sell anyone who isn't surplus to requirements once preseason training begins then? It doesn't matter how late it is, deals can still be struck until the window shuts.
Porto will have options to replace Moutinho the same way we will have options to replace Modric. Doesn't matter when it happens....
 

etchedchaos

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Porto will have options to replace Moutinho the same way we will have options to replace Modric. Doesn't matter when it happens....

Exactly. Justin's logic is flawed, you can buy Moutinho until the window closes it doesn't matter how late it is, every club will have contingencies in place in case they get offered a dream deal.
 

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I think Leandro is looking more likely than Ade at the moment. If Modric does go, Moutinho will be our number one target. Those two in would be some business.
You mean two downgrades?

Leandro's a good prospect but it's simple, not as good as Adebayor right now. I think we underestimate just how good Ade is. Leandro will have huge pressure on him as well; if he's the only striker we bring in. Ade+LD would be good business though. It's buying just Damiao that I have issues with.

As for the Modric/Moutinho situation, we have to set a deadline sometime. We cannot have another Berbatov situation. It looks increasingly likely RM won't be meeting our asking price and so I guess we'll have Modric staying. Whether he plays well (or at all) is a completely different issue. But it's not an issue that we can allow our other business to be affected by. But hypothetically let's say we reach an agreement with Madrid and Luka goes. Porto will know we have the 35m+ in the bank and will ask for a MASSIVE fee for Moutinho. Yes he's a good player. But is he worth the 25-30m figures being reported? Definitely not. He's not as good as Modric.

So essentially if we buy Leandro and Moutinho, that's an outlay of 45-50 million pounds for two players that are actually downgrades on last season's starters...
 

Roynie

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I was talking about Mr Pinks previous message. My (accidental) dislike of it put me head to head against JJ... don't think I'll win that somehow.

Pushed loads of buttons and think I've managed to remove my dislike (if thats possible)

Sorry, I'm confused (not difficult). Are you, or were you, Deufman? I really don't mind people disliking, that's a right we all have, but to be a member and not comment for X years AND dislike is RUDE. To have disliked, apologised, and removed it is good, if so, welcome to the world of being involved. (y)
 

Mr Pink

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You mean two downgrades?

Leandro's a good prospect but it's simple, not as good as Adebayor right now. I think we underestimate just how good Ade is. Leandro will have huge pressure on him as well; if he's the only striker we bring in. Ade+LD would be good business though. It's buying just Damiao that I have issues with.

As for the Modric/Moutinho situation, we have to set a deadline sometime. We cannot have another Berbatov situation. It looks increasingly likely RM won't be meeting our asking price and so I guess we'll have Modric staying. Whether he plays well (or at all) is a completely different issue. But it's not an issue that we can allow our other business to be affected by. But hypothetically let's say we reach an agreement with Madrid and Luka goes. Porto will know we have the 35m+ in the bank and will ask for a MASSIVE fee for Moutinho. Yes he's a good player. But is he worth the 25-30m figures being reported? Definitely not. He's not as good as Modric.

So essentially if we buy Leandro and Moutinho, that's an outlay of 45-50 million pounds for two players that are actually downgrades on last season's starters...

First of all I'm well aware of how integral Adebayor was to us last season, I've harped on about it enough on here. That said a permanent deal was always going to be difficult so labeling it as two downgrades is quite an unreasonable way of looking at it given that we don't even own one of the players.

Secondly we don't know how well Leandro will do, he could well turn out to be every bit as good as Adebayor or better with time to settle and adapt. Adebayor is the more complete package now, IMO, but we could be buying one of the best young forwards in the world right now.

I agree regarding Modric and Moutinho, we don't want another disaster on our hands. It might look on paper that we are talking about two downgrades here but there are lot of variables to consider, new manager etc, players who want to be here and exude the right attitude etc...

If we lose Modric and can't sign Adebayor because of financial restrictions - those two mentioned are pretty fucking good IMO, in terms of who we are realistically likely to get.

I don't get some people on here, I really don't. Who the fuck are we likely to get who would be an upgrade on Modric, or even on a par with?

Moutinho, realistically speaking, is as good as we can hope for.

Again with Adebayor, an upgrade? You're talking about the top six or seven forwards in the world to improve on him.

Perspective. We have to buy big prospects like Leandro before they're in the absolute elite bracket, that won't change until the stadium etc is sorted and we move to a new level.
 

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You mean two downgrades?

Leandro's a good prospect but it's simple, not as good as Adebayor right now. I think we underestimate just how good Ade is. Leandro will have huge pressure on him as well; if he's the only striker we bring in. Ade+LD would be good business though. It's buying just Damiao that I have issues with.

As for the Modric/Moutinho situation, we have to set a deadline sometime. We cannot have another Berbatov situation. It looks increasingly likely RM won't be meeting our asking price and so I guess we'll have Modric staying. Whether he plays well (or at all) is a completely different issue. But it's not an issue that we can allow our other business to be affected by. But hypothetically let's say we reach an agreement with Madrid and Luka goes. Porto will know we have the 35m+ in the bank and will ask for a MASSIVE fee for Moutinho. Yes he's a good player. But is he worth the 25-30m figures being reported? Definitely not. He's not as good as Modric.

So essentially if we buy Leandro and Moutinho, that's an outlay of 45-50 million pounds for two players that are actually downgrades on last season's starters...

In pure terms you definitely have a valid point. But in terms of how we will play and how we used Modric most of the time, I honestly believe Moutinho wouldn't necessarily be less effective than Modric in his role as Modric was in his. Moutinho is better at the things we used to ask Modric do for 60-70% of his time.

I'm warming to the idea of Damiao too. Like you I have been very underwhelmed with his all round play, and in this respect Adebayor is superior, but as a pure finisher he's probably better than Adebayor, more in the Shearer, Van Nistleroy, Huntelaar mould, i.e. a pure No.9 and sometimes, especially the way we might play under AVB, with Bale providing the "Hulk" power (but from the left obviously) and VDV providing some guile, with us playing a higher tempo pressing game, further up the pitch maybe a pure striker (a la Falcao at Porto) might suit.

Maybe (and this more hope than guarantee) different horses, suiting slightly different courses.
 

Mr Pink

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In pure terms you definitely have a valid point. But in terms of how we will play and how we used Modric most of the time, I honestly believe Moutinho wouldn't necessarily be less effective than Modric in his role as Modric was in his. Moutinho is better at the things we used to ask Modric do for 60-70% of his time.

I'm warming to the idea of Damiao too. Like you I have been very underwhelmed with his all round play, and in this respect Adebayor is superior, but as a pure finisher he's probably better than Adebayor, more in the Shearer, Van Nistleroy, Huntelaar mould, i.e. a pure No.9 and sometimes, especially the way we might play under AVB, with Bale providing the "Hulk" power (but from the left obviously) and VDV providing some guile, with us playing a higher tempo pressing game, further up the pitch maybe a pure striker (a la Falcao at Porto) might suit.

Maybe (and this more hope than guarantee) different horses, suiting slightly different courses.

But the point is BC who could we get in who be equivalent to Modric and Adebayor or better than? We can't - not within the financial realms we operate in anyway....
 

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So let's get ade then...he might be older than LD and be less of a saleable asset for levy but his cost in real terms won't be any more because his reduced transfer fee will offset his daft wages.

I think he's a better player. And despite the difficulties easier to secure than LD who's transfer has dragged on for years supposedly. He knows the league, is already settled and is proven in the Prem.

I think BC from the little i've seen LD is more like Sir Les than Shearer or RVN and that's not a terrible thing at all (he was in his prime an exceptional player) but I prefer an all rounder personally who interacts more with the other strikers...
 

Mr Pink

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So let's get ade then...he might be older than LD and be less of a saleable asset for levy but his cost in real terms won't be any more because his reduced transfer fee will offset his daft wages.

I think he's a better player. And despite the difficulties easier to secure than LD who's transfer has dragged on for years supposedly. He knows the league, is already settled and is proven in the Prem.

I think BC from the little i've seen LD is more like Sir Les than Shearer or RVN and that's not a terrible thing at all (he was in his prime an exceptional player) but I prefer an all rounder personally who interacts more with the other strikers...

I'll be delighted if we get Adebayor, but if it can't happen due to no agreement because of the numbers etc...what do we do?

For what its worth I agree with BC and his thinking on AVB's probable thinking in terms of wanting more of a natural finisher etc...
 
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