The word that dare not speak it's name

[Bus-Conductor]

Am I the only one who is actually starting to worry seriously about relegation. It's not just our poor defence etc, but our luck is absoloutely horrendous. Todays game was possibly the pinacle. We are dominating a terrible side despite playing 3 against 5 in midfield. We are piling on pressure and keane is in a great position, loses the ball, breaks out to McSheffrey who appearing to not overly threaten wins a pretty generous penalty. The penalty is their first shot on target. 1-0. We then continue to pile forward, creating chances but the ball won't roll our way. Second half starts. More caution thrown at more wind by Ramos. Miracle. We score two quite quickly but the fickle hand of fate intervenes yet again when on only their second foray into our half and despite Dawson giving him his most ruthless dopey grin and Zokora's ferocious tackle their rather shit striker swings his standing foot and to his own amazement it flies into the corner of our net. 2 shots on target two goals. By now fate is really fucking with us - a player who hasn't tackled anybody since he slipped on a banana skin in the playground of Dublin Infants School gets sent off for a tackle that didn't even ruffle the other players socks. It doesn't stop there. (my chronology may be out of whack a little here but...)Probably our best player on the day Bale then gets injured in an inocuous challenge and limps out of yet another game. Despite all this and being a player down we still dominate possession and squander a few chances. And now the piece de resistance. Despite dominating the pile of wank from englands shittest city we are now all thinking in the circs that worst case scenario a draw probably won't kill us. Fatal. A couple of minutes left of injury time and a player yet to score a goal ever whcks one from 100 yards and of course, for the 100th time, it flies in our top corner. 3 shots, 3 goals.

We are one of the best sides in the leagu at actually allowing opposition shots on our goal, yet are one of the worst at keeping those shots out. Every fucking long shot flies in. I know we are shit defensively but we seem to get punished every fucking time. The amount of long range screamers is simply unbelievable. I cannot remember a sequence like it for any team in my life.

I have seen other good footballing sides go down in recent years.

With luck like this are we fucked. Aren't we ?

 

[Beni]

January can't come soon enough.

 

[whatsappnin]

relegation???? No way mate! not in my thoughts at all.

 

[lukespurs7]

lol brillaint report and it's so true aswell. I'm fairly confident we won't go down, however after today you just don't know and i'm usually a very positive person, a win today would've changed our season IMO, unbreaben in 8, we'd be moving up the league and we'd have a good amount of confidence and momentumn going into the next leauge game vs Man.City which even though it's vs them i'd be confident of winning now however i expect us to lose we then go away to Portsmouth and Arsenal fuck knows where we'd be by then.

Ramos needs time to turn this around thats granted, but losing the match today was a massive shock and disaster!

I just don't know with us now, we have major injuries at the back, a lack of confidence and we just can't defend in general. Next season may well be different, but for now i'm very worried hope we scrape to a cup final or bye bye dimitar and probably a few others next season.

not looking so rosey right now, worst i've felt supporting spurs for about 5 years now the old spurs doom and gloom feeling has returned.

 

[N10toN17]

I really hope the players don't think they're to good to go down. Otherwise we might be in the shit.

 

[truespur]

like i said before, it is worrying. look at the only teams we have beaten this season:

Wigan
Derby
Blackpool
Hapoel
Aalborg
Famagusta

 

[snake1]

January can't come soon enough.

I agree. Like I said in another thread, if we persist with our current CB's we'll definitely be fighting for survival IMO. All our central defender's barring King - who is class - are very average indeed. We need 2/3 quality CB's in January or we might not even be in the division next year.

 

[striebs]

We missed Jenas today . How the tean perform over the next 3 matches without Keano should give a fairly good indication of how exposed we are to relegation due to injuries to key personnel and lack of natural leaders .

assets in a relegation battle : Bale , Keane , Lee , Zokora , Malbranque , Jenas , Tanio , Bent

unknown quantities : Defoe

liabilities : Berbatov (couldn't care today) , Chimbonda , Stalteri , Kaboul , Huddlestone

Without Carrick and King we are weaker than we were 18 months ago . That's at least £38.6m of players we need to sign . Enic chose to take money out of the club by paying a dividend instead .

Should be OK but long term injuries to a couple of key players could change all that .

 

[SpurSince57]

Well, we flirted with relegation during Bill Nicholson's first season.

And if it happens, that **** Levy and ENIC will sell up and fuck off with their profits. Which may not be a bad thing.

 

[don1]

we will be ok im going to the City game next week and i will kick some ass

 

[haxman]

BC, thats probably a better match report than you'll read in most of the rags tomorrow.

And yes, relegation has crossed my mind, nothing is going our way. We kicked the shit outta them today, yet in true Tottenham fashion we manage to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.

And as for "we're too big a club to go down" - thats absolute crap. We've got a tough run of fixtures coming up next 3 games including the scum who'll be busting a gut to make sure we stay where we are in the league.

There is time to turn the season around, we've got a good base of players, we need to add 2 top quality centre backs in the transfer window, a sound tactician in Ramos but we really need our luck to change. Fast.

 

[fortworthspur]

I cant see relegation happening. OTOH, I was holding out for a UEFA spot - it was an outside chance when Ramos came in. Its out now, which means the rest of the season is pretty much an opportunity for Ramos to play with the line-up for next year. Its pretty hard to get excited about that.

Is anybody optimistic about a good cup run this season?

 

[Bobbins]

That did make me laugh :lol:

Seriously though, no, there is no possibility of relegation. We've shown how much better we are against the worst sides (Derby and Wigan) and though our luck is continuously awful, more often than not the talent of the squad and the manager will get us out of it.

The real worry is if we don't finish in the top half, which is a distinct possibility, and make no progress in the cups, which I actually expect (on the basis that eventually you are going to meet a decent side in any cup run and most decent sides will beat us at the moment simply due to our defence, or lack of it).

If that happens, the likelyhood of us losing many of our top players (Berbatov, Bale, and a few others some people might not consider 'top' but are constantly linked with moves in the press, Chimbonda, Defoe, Lennon, Huddlestone) increases exponentially, and if we lose our best players, we suddenly end up right back to square one where we were 4-5 years ago, with a mediocre squad and having to start all over again. ENIC and Levy may well give up and cut their losses too, which knocks any new stadium project on the head, and may well mean the end of the new training ground plans as well.

A (second) worst-case scenario yes, but not a completely unrealistic one.

 

[joey55]

That did make me laugh :lol:

Seriously though, no, there is no possibility of relegation. We've shown how much better we are against the worst sides (Derby and Wigan) and though our luck is continuously awful, more often than not the talent of the squad and the manager will get us out of it.

The real worry is if we don't finish in the top half, which is a distinct possibility, and make no progress in the cups, which I actually expect (on the basis that eventually you are going to meet a decent side in any cup run and most decent sides will beat us at the moment simply due to our defence, or lack of it).

If that happens, the likelyhood of us losing many of our top players (Berbatov, Bale, and a few others some people might not consider 'top' but are constantly linked with moves in the press, Chimbonda, Defoe, Lennon, Huddlestone) increases exponentially, and if we lose our best players, we suddenly end up right back to square one where we were 4-5 years ago, with a mediocre squad and having to start all over again. ENIC and Levy may well give up and cut their losses too, which knocks any new stadium project on the head, and may well mean the end of the new training ground plans as well.

A (second) worst-case scenario yes, but not a completely unrealistic one.

None of that will happen. I suspect part of the reason we've taken so long over the whole stadium issue, is that Levy would rather sell the club, with the stadium plans sorted out and added to our intrinsic value, rather than actually under take the project themselves. Potential buyers are going to find it far harder to value a club that is in the middle of building a new stadium, as costing mid way through a project is harder than at the beginning.

 

[stemark44]

Am I the only one who is actually starting to worry seriously about relegation. It's not just our poor defence etc, but our luck is absoloutely horrendous. Todays game was possibly the pinacle. We are dominating a terrible side despite playing 3 against 5 in midfield. We are piling on pressure and keane is in a great position, loses the ball, breaks out to McSheffrey who appearing to not overly threaten wins a pretty generous penalty. The penalty is their first shot on target. 1-0. We then continue to pile forward, creating chances but the ball won't roll our way. Second half starts. More caution thrown at more wind by Ramos. Miracle. We score two quite quickly but the fickle hand of fate intervenes yet again when on only their second foray into our half and despite Dawson giving him his most ruthless dopey grin and Zokora's ferocious tackle their rather shit striker swings his standing foot and to his own amazement it flies into the corner of our net. 2 shots on target two goals. By now fate is really fucking with us - a player who hasn't tackled anybody since he slipped on a banana skin in the playground of Dublin Infants School gets sent off for a tackle that didn't even ruffle the other players socks. It doesn't stop there. (my chronology may be out of whack a little here but...)Probably our best player on the day Bale then gets injured in an inocuous challenge and limps out of yet another game. Despite all this and being a player down we still dominate possession and squander a few chances. And now the piece de resistance. Despite dominating the pile of wank from englands shittest city we are now all thinking in the circs that worst case scenario a draw probably won't kill us. Fatal. A couple of minutes left of injury time and a player yet to score a goal ever whcks one from 100 yards and of course, for the 100th time, it flies in our top corner. 3 shots, 3 goals.

We are one of the best sides in the leagu at actually allowing opposition shots on our goal, yet are one of the worst at keeping those shots out. Every fucking long shot flies in. I know we are shit defensively but we seem to get punished every fucking time. The amount of long range screamers is simply unbelievable. I cannot remember a sequence like it for any team in my life.

I have seen other good footballing sides go down in recent years.

With luck like this are we fucked. Aren't we ?

BC I agree with you 100%,we are the unluckiest team in the premiership,the shit that happens to us week in week out is ridiculous and hard to believe!Without a shadow of doubt we have been robbed of 5 points in our last 2 EPL games and I don't want to get started on the other 13!

 

[Michey]

I cant see relegation happening. OTOH, I was holding out for a UEFA spot

Is anybody optimistic about a good cup run this season?

another one that's totally blind to reality

 

[Gilzeanking]

First interview words out of Brummie's new manager..

...'We had the rub of the green'

 

[pops23]

anyone else think that we are the west ham of this season?

the season before last west ham just came up and finished in a respectable league position and got to the f.a.cup final and tbh were very unlucky not to win it. then last season the expectation was high for them, they signed 2 world class players and all of a suddern it started to go wrong, the manager went, the board went, the will-he wont-he saga with there star striker. then january came, and they throw lots of money at CB's but nothing seemed to stop the slide they were on.

i hate to say it but IF we dont get any points from our next 3 games (which is likely) i can see us having to fight it out all season.

i swear i heard them on sky say that we have lost 19pts from winning positions this season, and if you give luke young, samba, larson, kamara etc the ball agian in them positions 100 time they'd never score again, but we do have to worst luck at the moment.

 

[striebs]

None of that will happen. I suspect part of the reason we've taken so long over the whole stadium issue, is that Levy would rather sell the club, with the stadium plans sorted out and added to our intrinsic value, rather than actually under take the project themselves. Potential buyers are going to find it far harder to value a club that is in the middle of building a new stadium, as costing mid way through a project is harder than at the beginning.

Having those wallys presiding over a stadium disaster could actually drag Spurs under .

Even with the guy from the Emirates project I'd rather we upgraded our owners before entertaining such a massive capital project .

 

[SpurSince57]

None of that will happen. I suspect part of the reason we've taken so long over the whole stadium issue, is that Levy would rather sell the club, with the stadium plans sorted out and added to our intrinsic value, rather than actually under take the project themselves. Potential buyers are going to find it far harder to value a club that is in the middle of building a new stadium, as costing mid way through a project is harder than at the beginning.

http://football.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,2219622,00.html

http://www.topspurs.com/thfccol-martinc.htm

The last paragraph in the Topspurs article is particularly revealing.