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Bromavinci

Dazed & Confuzed
Oct 7, 2005
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I looked at the table this morning and getting 10th in front of where West Ham are now will be a walk in the park, even if Spurs are forced to play with the same CBs they are playing now for the rest of the season.
You seriously understimate the strenght of your team and the quality of your new manager.

first we had berbati and now we have juande posting on SC!!

Man this site really does attract the best!!

:hump::clap:
 

worcestersauce

"I'm no optimist I'm just a prisoner of hope
Jan 23, 2006
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BC you spoke it's name!

You know when they say that no team is too good to go down, well we are so I'm not worried.
 

coldasice199

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Aug 20, 2005
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If we play like that every week, I have no worries at all that we will stay up.

King is back soon and we will pick up 1 or 2 in jan.

I cant see relegation happening tbh
 

PLTuck

Eternal Optimist
Aug 22, 2006
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I looked at the table this morning and getting 10th in front of where West Ham are now will be a walk in the park, even if Spurs are forced to play with the same CBs they are playing now for the rest of the season.
You seriously understimate the strenght of your team and the quality of your new manager.


Like beating Birmingham at home should be a walk in the park? After all, they'd never come away from WHL with anything so far in the Prem until yesterday.

I'm certainly not saying we ARE going down, as that would be as silly as if someone said that we AREN'T, wouldn't it?

I think you seriously underestimate the shit we are in.
 

eddiebailey

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Oct 12, 2004
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It is possibly a mistake to rely on teams below us being worse; teams new to the division usually find their feet and get better as the season goes on, while teams having unexpectedly bad seasons can be rescued by cluey managers doing astute business in the January window (i.e. bringing in the sort of steady experienced pros that do not form part of our transfer strategy.)

What concerns me about the appointment of Ramos is that, as a manager new to the Premiership, he may not be the man to lead us out of a relegation dogfight.

I do not think the most virulent Jol hater can now claim that we “have the fifth best squad in the Premiership” and that our current position is solely the result of poor coaching and tactics. Our problems are rooted in our transfer strategy. There is plenty of raw talent, but we have failed to assemble a balanced team. If we do the right business in the January window we will be fine; the question is, will we?
 

SpursManChris

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May 15, 2007
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It's funny how we seem totally incapable of scoring screamers like the one that beat us yesterday. I mean, seriously, who in our team can you seriously see scoring absolute HEROICS like that to win a game? Because yesterday, heroics like the heroics of Larsson would have won it for us too.
 

teddyboy

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Mar 13, 2007
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Just clocked your signature Bobbins, f**king first class mate rep coming your way…..

:rofl: :rofl::rofl:
 

idlepete

Imperfect modal meaning extractor
Oct 17, 2003
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I do not think the most virulent Jol hater can now claim that we “have the fifth best squad in the Premiership” and that our current position is solely the result of poor coaching and tactics. Our problems are rooted in our transfer strategy. There is plenty of raw talent, but we have failed to assemble a balanced team. If we do the right business in the January window we will be fine; the question is, will we?

I agree completely. I'm scared.
 

teddyboy

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Mar 13, 2007
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Back to the original post, I can’t see it happening in reality, but saying that we do have a habit of making life hard for ourselves.

Fuck me though I hope we start picking up some points at home otherwise the confidence we be shot to pieces again.
 

Juande_Ramos

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Oct 26, 2007
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Like beating Birmingham at home should be a walk in the park? After all, they'd never come away from WHL with anything so far in the Prem until yesterday.

I'm certainly not saying we ARE going down, as that would be as silly as if someone said that we AREN'T, wouldn't it?

I think you seriously underestimate the shit we are in.

The pessimistic nature of Spurs fans taking over. Juande is a bless for you lot :grin:, a very confident manager who believes anything is possible and has the know how to deliver.
You are not going to be as unlucky as you were yesterday in 20 games in a row, and you are not going to have every game a referee getting wrong big decissions against you either.
10th place is the minimum I expect considering the quality of your team and the opposition. West Ham who are not a patch on your team and have a far worse manager are 7 points in front. Easy pissy.
 

Shanks

Kinda not anymore....
May 11, 2005
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Its possible, and it doesn't bode well if we cannot beat Birmingham at home.
Can't see it happening, but I won't be saying we are too good to go down, we cannot even beat the worst of hte division, let alone the best!

Next 3 games are going to be even tougher and I really cannot see us getting many points from Man City, Pompey and Arsenal, in 3 games time with no points we really will be fighting for a shoddy xmas at the lane.
 

striebs

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Mar 18, 2004
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The pessimistic nature of Spurs fans taking over. Juande is a bless for you lot :grin:, a very confident manager who believes anything is possible and has the know how to deliver.
You are not going to be as unlucky as you were yesterday in 20 games in a row, and you are not going to have every game a referee getting wrong big decissions against you either.
10th place is the minimum I expect considering the quality of your team and the opposition. West Ham who are not a patch on your team and have a far worse manager are 7 points in front. Easy pissy.

Notice you don't provide any basis for your claim that Curbishley is far worse than Ramos . Curbishley does know English football and soon as he left Charlton they sank .

Fighting a relegation battle demands a completely different mindset and type of player to aiming to progress towards top 5/6 .

We shouldn't get relegated but we may find ourselves in a relegation fight if the injury situation gets worse .

FYI Jol was not a bad manager either . The main problem has been injuries and poor recruitment compounded by the boards undermining of the previous manager .
 

yanno

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Aug 1, 2003
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I do not think the most virulent Jol hater can now claim that we “have the fifth best squad in the Premiership” and that our current position is solely the result of poor coaching and tactics. Our problems are rooted in our transfer strategy. There is plenty of raw talent, but we have failed to assemble a balanced team. If we do the right business in the January window we will be fine; the question is, will we?

Yes, although I think the less Comolli has to do with our signings the better. And I say this because he clearly did not help Jol to build a team. Examples:

i) we sell Carrick, Comolli replaces him with Zokora. Regardless of what one thinks of Zoko's level as a player - personally, I think his level is bottom half EPL - there is no doubt that Zokora is a totally different type of player from Carrick and cannot play his role. And Comolli's other CM signing, the Prince Boateng, is promising but looks more of a Jenas who can tackle rather than a Carrick-type. So, we sold Carrick and did not give Jol a direct replacement;

ii) if we get 20 games from Ledley, it will be a bonus. This was surely apparent in the summer. So, we needed a CB, Comolli signs Kaboul. Now, Kaboul may still turn out to be a top CB or DM, but not before 2009 or 2010. We could have signed Distin, a genuine EPL-proven LCB, but Pompey were willing to pay his wages and - rather pathetically - we weren't. If Comolli was so desperate to sign Kaboul, why did we not sign both Kaboul and Distin - given our obvious CB weakness?

Bent and Bale are good players, and good signings. But we probably needed two left-sided players and signed only one. And Bent was probably bought on the assumption that one of Berba or Defoe would be sold last August. So, Bale partially addressed one of our needs, and Bent added strength to what was already the strongest area of our squad. That's OK - but it's not particularly great team or squad building.

That said if, in January, we get Poulsen (or a Poulsen-type of CM), an experienced CB who can organize and lead, and a LM or LB, we'll end up in the top half of the table. We should also have some good cup runs. As long as the referees put their sodding glasses on and stop making appalling decisions...

But, as per Eddie Bailey's post, I have little doubt that Jol entirely understood our need for an experienced CB, CM and LM. It's just he wasn't able to persuade Comolli and Levy to sign them....
 

idlepete

Imperfect modal meaning extractor
Oct 17, 2003
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The pessimistic nature of Spurs fans taking over. Juande is a bless for you lot :grin:, a very confident manager who believes anything is possible and has the know how to deliver.
You are not going to be as unlucky as you were yesterday in 20 games in a row, and you are not going to have every game a referee getting wrong big decissions against you either.
10th place is the minimum I expect considering the quality of your team and the opposition. West Ham who are not a patch on your team and have a far worse manager are 7 points in front. Easy pissy.

Tactically, Juande clearly knows what he's doing and has a fantastic grasp of what's going on in front of him on the field. Two half-time turnarounds in the last two games are proof of that. What gets me is that the one thing we desperately need to do is go back to basics, stop shipping goals with two blocks of four in a 4-4-2, and yet he hasn't done that at all. To me that says Ramos can see our only strength is offensive, that we don't even have the players to go back to basics. This team needs a new spine. Without it, we'll continue to make defensive errors, and we'll continue to be punished for them. You make your own luck.
 

DEFchenkOE

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Feb 13, 2006
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Why do people think we're going to win a cup??? We can't even win away against Sunderland or Boro so how we going to win away against Bayern, Fiorentina, Atl Mad, Man U, Arse or whoever we come across en route to a final. Forget the cups we are 1 pt above relegation so our league form is most important. We've conceeded more goals at home than any other team and our next 3 games are against top 6 sides. Make no mistake about it we're in trouble and relegation is a possibility if we don't turn around our league form asap
 

yanno

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Aug 1, 2003
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Tactically, Juande clearly knows what he's doing and has a fantastic grasp of what's going on in front of him on the field. Two half-time turnarounds in the last two games are proof of that. What gets me is that the one thing we desperately need to do is go back to basics, stop shipping goals with two blocks of four in a 4-4-2, and yet he hasn't done that at all. To me that says Ramos can see our only strength is offensive, that we don't even have the players to go back to basics. This team needs a new spine. Without it, we'll continue to make defensive errors, and we'll continue to be punished for them. You make your own luck.

Yes, and that's precisely why I'm not worried at the moment. Ramos is clearly selecting teams according to what he perceives as the strengths of the squad he inherited. That means he knows we can't defend, so he's opted to start on the front foot with an attacking formation. I'm sure that if we'd gone 2-0 or 3-0 up yesterday, he'd have taken one of our strikers off and put the Hud or the Prince on in CM, reverted to his favoured 4-4-2, and shut down the game. I posted this is in a couple of threads yesterday.

I will only be worried if, by the end of January, we don't have an experienced CB, an experienced C/DM, and another good LM/LB type added to our squad.
 

Chinaspur

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Oct 1, 2005
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The pessimistic nature of Spurs fans taking over. Juande is a bless for you lot :grin:, a very confident manager who believes anything is possible and has the know how to deliver.
You are not going to be as unlucky as you were yesterday in 20 games in a row, and you are not going to have every game a referee getting wrong big decissions against you either.
10th place is the minimum I expect considering the quality of your team and the opposition. West Ham who are not a patch on your team and have a far worse manager are 7 points in front. Easy pissy.

:rofl::rofl: This thread is all doom and gloom but surely this deserves a laugh
 

onemorespursfan

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Jun 3, 2004
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and if we beat Man City at the weekend and Portsmouth next week will people be talikng about Europe being a possibility again.

The one thing that keeps occurring to me is that we have had a bad spell and look like a team that is starting to turn the corner (we did string a reasonable run of unbeaten games). Villa have not had a major injury problem, and nor have any of the others really. I can see a few of these teams falling by the wayside as soon as a few injuries kick in. Our squad will start to return soon and with a bit of luck will not be injured to the same extent for the second half of the season.

It would not be fair to say that the teams above us are playing cultured football and if some results go aainst them, Villa have a young squad, Man City have a new squad, Portsmouth could be managed from inside and Everton and Blackburn hardly have the strength in depth that the top 4 have. It is not feasible to think that they will all suffer, but some of them will and our luck has to change, the team seems able to compete for 85 minutes rather than 60 and the personnel will only improve.

I am no thinking top 5 or even top 7 but top 10 should be achievable when they are only 6/7 points above us.
 

Juande_Ramos

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Oct 26, 2007
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Notice you don't provide any basis for your claim that Curbishley is far worse than Ramos . Curbishley does know English football and soon as he left Charlton they sank .

Fighting a relegation battle demands a completely different mindset and type of player to aiming to progress towards top 5/6 .

We shouldn't get relegated but we may find ourselves in a relegation fight if the injury situation gets worse .

FYI Jol was not a bad manager either . The main problem has been injuries and poor recruitment compounded by the boards undermining of the previous manager .

I am unimpressed at what he is achieving at West Ham with the resources given to him. Another average English manager as most of them are, a fact that it is well known by the top English teams, including yours, and the FA seem to be learning too. There are worst, mind you.
 

joey55

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May 20, 2005
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To be honest i get the impression people are trying to convince themsleves that there is a reasonable chance we will get relegated, so that when we turn things round and finish top 10, which we will (or close to it), we can then equally convince ourselves that things are on the up and that next season we can fight for a CL place. People will come up with all sorts of post Xmas results which show we were one of the best sides in the Prem from say Feb to MArch and therefore all is well, so roll on next season. We need to get real. We aren't going down, but no matter what happens for the rest of the season, short of a quite amazing run that see's us finish in the top 5, it has been a disaster and those responsible for it should be put under real pressure (vocally from the crowd) towards the end of the season and let them no that we demand better from next summers transfer activity.
 
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