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Tim Sherwood - Frank de Boer speculation is 'disappointing'

DreadySpur

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Personally, I think where Levy got it wrong was appointing TS in the first place, particularly when TS started making it known in public that he would only take the job on his terms. I think Levy should have looked elsewhere at that point but TS is within the club, etc., so maybe Levy thought it would be easier.

Also, speculation is constantly an issue within football. If you are not achieving the target that the club has set (be it avoid relegation or get top 4) then there will be speculation, whether or not its unfounded.

And I agree re: high profile appt. We have to get the right man for the job, not just a name. Personally, I don't believe TS is the right man for the job and it wouldn't matter to me whether his name is Tim Sherwood or Jose Mourinho.

Yes that was essentially what I was saying tbh.....however still not sure whether long-term and given time, qualifications, experience and support (haha) Tim would prove to be a good manager for us. I suspect we will never find out.
 

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Under AVB we had a Points per Game ratio of 1.6875, Goals per game of 0.9375 and lost 5 games out of 16. Under Tim those figures are 1.95, 1.85 and 5 out of 20, so whichever way you count it up relatively speaking we did have a poor start to the season. That's not to say that Tim and the team can't do better but don't sell him short in terms of achievement. The main problem this season has been our performance against the top 5 and that has applied under both managers. I believe the problem has been with the defence which desperately needs re-inforcing in the summer, more so than midfield and strikers.
Another interpretation is that Sherwood is benefitting from the players finding their feet towards the latter part of the season, whereas AVB was still trying to bed them in.
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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So, you're judging AVB and TS by different standards. You don't get extra points for artistic expression, darling.
Not at all. If we were winning games like Chelsea for instance, but we were just bloody lucky. The defence was a farce. Once teams figured it out we got ripped to bits, even that boring fat bastard Sam Allardyce out thought AVB.
We were boring to watch and in a hugely false position in the league. And he did nothing what so ever to change it.
 

Locotoro

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Err Grey Fox, I think you'll find we got the most penalties in the first half a dozen games we've ever had. Other wise 2 points from 8 games wouldn't have sounded so bad.

Sorry TMS, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the points on the board which is evidently what both @Grey Fox and Tim Sherwood are referring to here.

Tim says "if only we'd had a better start to the season we would be higher up the table" when in fact we had our best start to the season points-wise.

This is an obvious charm offensive attempt from Tim trying to get the "great fans, who deserve the best man" on side. He had a crack at the job and didn't meet the required mark - CL qualification - so the club are looking at other options
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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Another interpretation is that Sherwood is benefitting from the players finding their feet towards the latter part of the season, whereas AVB was still trying to bed them in.

I think you'll find its because Tim plays Adebeyor. You know, the striker that does score goals.
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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Have some dignity and keep your mouth shut Tim.
Would you say that if we were courting FDB whilst AVB was still in charge?


Why should a man who's job is publicly being touted to other people just accept it.
Just because he's not the fans choice first mean he deserves this treatment doesn't mean he should just take it.
 

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Tim held Levy to ransom over the contract he knows the job was only till the end of the season, but the extra year gets him a pay-off. The fact is our club is poorly run and mismanaged.

Spurs have terrible merchandising unless it is made by under armour or licensed to someone else, this is because Levy employed his brother to do the merchandise. Levy uses patronage to fill the positions at the club so we look more like a family run business than a large corporation. Let's be honest people the club is badly run and that is the reason we have stagnated over the last few years if we did not get lucky with some of our earlier signings we would not be in the position we are in now. I wish Levy and Lewis would just go because like Sugar they are a leach on the club.
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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Tim held Levy to ransom over the contract he knows the job was only till the end of the season, but the extra year gets him a pay-off. The fact is our club is poorly run and mismanaged.

Spurs have terrible merchandising unless it is made by under armour or licensed to someone else, this is because Levy employed his brother to do the merchandise. Levy uses patronage to fill the positions at the club so we look more like a family run business than a large corporation. Let's be honest people the club is badly run and that is the reason we have stagnated over the last few years if we did not get lucky with some of our earlier signings we would not be in the position we are in now. I wish Levy and Lewis would just go because like Sugar they are a leach on the club.
Yeah!
Bring back Irving Scholer!
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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Sorry TMS, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the points on the board which is evidently what both @Grey Fox and Tim Sherwood are referring to here.

Tim says "if only we'd had a better start to the season we would be higher up the table" when in fact we had our best start to the season points-wise.

This is an obvious charm offensive attempt from Tim trying to get the "great fans, who deserve the best man" on side. He had a crack at the job and didn't meet the required mark - CL qualification - so the club are looking at other options

What is the definition of the start of the season?
1, 2, 5, 10 games?
We could win our first 5 games and that would be a first in the premiership era, but then loose the next 14 games. Which would probably represent the worst half a season ever.
I think people are being selective with what they class as our best start to a season.
Nothing changes how dismal we were to watch, how we only got goals from penalties, how teams started to figure out tactics out and punish us.
I would say that many fans were oblivious to how bad we'd got because all all they looked at was the table. But what they didn't see was that it was a very false representation of our ability.
 

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The main problem this season has been our performance against the top 5 and that has applied under both managers. I believe the problem has been with the defence which desperately needs re-inforcing in the summer, more so than midfield and strikers.

The main problem is organisation. Teams with lower profile/less able defenders have organised themselves into a better combined goal deficit over 2 games against those top 4(5).
 

Roynie

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Another interpretation is that Sherwood is benefitting from the players finding their feet towards the latter part of the season, whereas AVB was still trying to bed them in.

I think there is something in that, it's true. However, as TottenhamMattSpur said, it's also about selecting Adew to play rather than leaving him with the youngsters 'cause Ade spoke out. At least TS tries to get the team attacking and scoring goals, much more so than the boring football that AVB had us playing. It wasn't Tim's fault that we had such injuries amongst the CB's. Yes he made tactical errors but that is inexperience in the role and he has learnt. He has also brought through a number of yougsters from the youth setup and is looking to bring through more.

I'm not saying he should be the Manger/Head Coach next season,I would love someone of the ilk of LVG or FDB, but if we can't get a really top class Manager/Coach I would rather stick with TS than just get another iffy replacement.
 

JohanTheYid

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Didnt Tim say himself that it was 4th place or "Goodnight Charlie" ? He knows full well he is out of a job in 2 games time and should just shut the hell up imo
 

Roynie

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The main problem is organisation. Teams with lower profile/less able defenders have organised themselves into a better combined goal deficit over 2 games against those top 4(5).

I'm sure you're right. IIRC we have only got 2 points out of a possible 15 against the top 5. I know that for at least some of the games we had Kaboul and Verts at CB when Kaboul had his first few games back from injury and was clearly rusty. There was also an issue of selection and poor tactics allied to a lack of bottle in the team. I do believe that Timmy has learnt much this season, albeit a bit slowly at times, see my comments above!
 

avonspurs

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Didnt Tim say himself that it was 4th place or "Goodnight Charlie" ? He knows full well he is out of a job in 2 games time and should just shut the hell up imo

One of many contradictory statements from the man - he did, indeed, say something along those lines, but now has come out with a statement about ending 4th not being a target, etc.
 

avonspurs

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I think there is something in that, it's true. However, as TottenhamMattSpur said, it's also about selecting Adew to play rather than leaving him with the youngsters 'cause Ade spoke out. At least TS tries to get the team attacking and scoring goals, much more so than the boring football that AVB had us playing. It wasn't Tim's fault that we had such injuries amongst the CB's. Yes he made tactical errors but that is inexperience in the role and he has learnt. He has also brought through a number of yougsters from the youth setup and is looking to bring through more.

I'm not saying he should be the Manger/Head Coach next season,I would love someone of the ilk of LVG or FDB, but if we can't get a really top class Manager/Coach I would rather stick with TS than just get another iffy replacement.

Just out of interest, what do you think he has learnt?
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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I'm sure you're right. IIRC we have only got 2 points out of a possible 15 against the top 5. I know that for at least some of the games we had Kaboul and Verts at CB when Kaboul had his first few games back from injury and was clearly rusty. There was also an issue of selection and poor tactics allied to a lack of bottle in the team. I do believe that Timmy has learnt much this season, albeit a bit slowly at times, see my comments above!
People are now seemingly rating us on our performances against the top 5 not 4.
We got 4 points out of 6 against Everton.
The only reason they're above us is that they have done better against the top 4 than us.
 

Roynie

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Just out of interest, what do you think he has learnt?

Well he does seem to have learnt that there is a place for a DM. Early on in the role he said that he didn't believe in them and in the first couple of games against the top 5 he didn't play with one. He also seems to have changed the role for Eriksen from just being LW to a more roving one.
 
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