Time for an onfield skipper?

[nickspurs]

Liking it. I'm guessing Lamela's team talks as captain would go something like this...

Gold. LOL in the gym.

 

[Zippy1980]

Seriously why is kane suddenly overlooked for everything. Definitely taking him for granted.

For the time being he doesn’t need the responsibility of Skipper. It’s obvious Poch wants him to stick what he is the best in Premiership at. Putting the ball in the onion bag.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

Hugo is Pochs extension and representative on the pitch. He's also a respected and authoritative figure for his club and country. That's why he's captain.

The armband doesn't prevent anyone else from being a leader. We have Kane, Moose, Dier and Jan who are all strong, vocal and lead by example types.

There's something in the book about this. He picks someone who represents the club in the fashion desired by the manager and chairman. I actually think we have a few who could skipper based on those attributes.
Poch mentions in the book that he often gets Hugo, Jan & Harry involved in meetings, and tasks them with the responsibilities of making sure the other players get the message.
The problem is those are also relatively quite individuals and don't come across as players who will get angry when they need to.
Hugo can't put an arm around Dele or Son mid-game and gee them up a bit, unless we want to leave the goal empty.

There should be a leader in defence and midfield anyway, and sometimes it feels like that's where we lack.
We need someone who's head won't drop when the going gets tough.

 

[Shadydan]

There's something in the book about this. He picks someone who represents the club in the fashion desired by the manager and chairman. I actually think we have a few who could skipper based on those attributes.
Poch mentions in the book that he often gets Hugo, Jan & Harry involved in meetings, and tasks them with the responsibilities of making sure the other players get the message.
The problem is those are also relatively quite individuals and don't come across as players who will get angry when they need to.
Hugo can't put an arm around Dele or Son mid-game and gee them up a bit, unless we want to leave the goal empty.

There should be a leader in defence and midfield anyway, and sometimes it feels like that's where we lack.
We need someone who's head won't drop when the going gets tough.

Hugo was going nuts at the defence in the Watford match

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Somebody needs authority on the pitch to affect games.

It looks to me as though the players follow Pochettino's instructions to the letter for 90 minutes Match after match. Often when things aren't thing well and need to be changed.

Lloris, as great as he is, can't relay tactics and orders to the whole team from goal.

I liken it to my job in insurance, we regularly delegate authority to third parties on our behalf to handle things we in London can't.
Pochettino needs a player who can see what's happening on the pitch in real time and a) decide what needs to be done and b) have the absolute power to change it.

Keepers just can't do that. Their only chance is to scream team orders so loudly everyone in the stadium will know what we're changing.

Defence or midfield takes my vote so likely to be Vertonghen.

But it would be almost criminal to strip Lloris of it so it won't change.

 

[Shadydan]

Somebody needs authority on the pitch to affect games.

It looks to me as though the players follow Pochettino's instructions to the letter for 90 minutes Match after match. Often when things aren't thing well and need to be changed.

Lloris, as great as he is, can't relay tactics and orders to the whole team from goal.

I liken it to my job in insurance, we regularly delegate authority to third parties on our behalf to handle things we in London can't.
Pochettino needs a player who can see what's happening on the pitch in real time and a) decide what needs to be done and b) have the absolute power to change it.

Keepers just can't do that. Their only chance is to scream team orders so loudly everyone in the stadium will know what we're changing.

Defence or midfield takes my vote so likely to be Vertonghen.

But it would be almost criminal to strip Lloris of it so it won't change.

I don't see how having an armband makes a difference, there's nothing stopping Dier for example giving out instructions on the pitch to someone.

 

[coys200]

Tbh I’ve never seen Lloris as a captain. I know Poch respects him a lot but he seems an incredibly quiet guy. Might be different in the changing room. But he never strikes me as the most vocal. Vertonghen Dier kane all seem more obvious.

 

[coys200]

I don't see how having an armband makes a difference, there's nothing stopping Dier for example giving out instructions on the pitch to someone.

Apparantly Dier is very good with tactics and is one of Southgate go to guys. Why he was made England captain.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

I don't see how having an armband makes a difference, there's nothing stopping Dier for example giving out instructions on the pitch to someone.

There's 2 problems with this.
If Dier is telling people what to do we're in trouble and having the arm band is exactly what is needed.
The armband is a sign that that player is the only one on the pitch that has the authority to tell players what to do and that other players HAVE to agree to do what he said.
Sure enough, any one can shout at some one, or tell them what to do and that recipient is free to take it on board.
But the captain is in charge on the pitch and you do what he says, no questions and if you fail him, you fail Poch.

We don't have that.

 

[Japhet]

Don't see the need for it. We have a few leaders on the pitch and they know who they are. It's not like the Ref ever calls the Captains together to sort issues out like they do in rugby.

 

[Shadydan]

There's 2 problems with this.
If Dier is telling people what to do we're in trouble and having the arm band is exactly what is needed.
The armband is a sign that that player is the only one on the pitch that has the authority to tell players what to do and that other players HAVE to agree to do what he said.
Sure enough, any one can shout at some one, or tell them what to do and that recipient is free to take it on board.
But the captain is in charge on the pitch and you do what he says, no questions and if you fail him, you fail Poch.

We don't have that.

That's an old skool way of thinking IMO, I think having that designated leader on the pitch who speaks for everyone on the pitch and is that go to guy is old skool and as far as we're concerned we have many leaders on the pitch (Dier, Kane, Toby, Vertonghen, Lloris) who aren't shy of giving out orders when necessary.

Just don't see how having a guy wearing a bank makes a difference to any given situation on the pitch and I don't see how it's affected us regardless, even if we had one player who did that I don't see how it would have any affect on the rest of the players.

 

[manic041]

I was discussing this the other day with a friend and think that whilst Hugo should remain club captain (judging by his rumoured influence in the dressing room from players in our team & french national team) but also have a match captain as either Jan or Toby (in the unlikely event that he stays). Then have Kane as vice-captain as he is still young and will learn from Jan/Toby on what characteristics are required.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

That's an old skool way of thinking IMO, I think having that designated leader on the pitch who speaks for everyone on the pitch and is that go to guy is old skool and as far as we're concerned we have many leaders on the pitch (Dier, Kane, Toby, Vertonghen, Lloris) who aren't shy of giving out orders when necessary.

Just don't see how having a guy wearing a bank makes a difference to any given situation on the pitch and I don't see how it's affected us regardless, even if we had one player who did that I don't see how it would have any affect on the rest of the players.

Never heard the phrase too many Chiefs not enough Indians? You end up with too many people giving orders, not enough people carrying them out then people arguing with each other about who should do what.
You always have to have some one with overall responsibility or else no one really does.
I agree everyone should have some. I agree everyone should play like a captain. But we need an actual captain too.

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

Liking it. I'm guessing Lamela's team talks as captain would go something like this...

Absolutely superb work pal.

 

[Nebby]

Don't care whether he's captain or not, but I can't help thinking that we lack a real leader on the pitch. Somebody that will grab every game by the scruff of the neck and drive us forward.

 

[Shadydan]

Never heard the phrase too many Chiefs not enough Indians? You end up with too many people giving orders, not enough people carrying them out then people arguing with each other about who should do what.
You always have to have some one with overall responsibility or else no one really does.
I agree everyone should have some. I agree everyone should play like a captain. But we need an actual captain too.

Yeah sure but when do you actually see all of our players give orders? When you have you seen a situation where different players bark out different instructions on the pitch? Have you ever seen our players have an argumentorr disrespect each other, I haven't. Sure I've seen players get into little disagreements about passing and greedyness but not no arguments on the pitch.

From what I've seen of our players they've all led at some point but then again I think our players are very respectful of each other regardless and all listen and pipe up when needs be and we've generally had good results from it, I'd say our general mentality ond game management is much improved so why is there need to change?

Again I think having that one dedicated captain varies on the team, maybe a team like Arsenal would benefit from one designated player more than us because they don't have many leaders in their team but for a team like us we don't need one player to lead by example when we have an abundance of them on the pitch IMO.

 

[stevenqoz]

Interesting to hear the responses on here. All about opinion. It probably influences it somewhat if you are involved in the game to get insight. My standpoint comes from someone who has coached the U18 age group in over 1000 games and played a similar number (still playing at 63 ) Appointing the captain is probably the most important decision you make in a season. There is a difference between managing and leading, even in football. Sure Lloris can oversee / manage Poch's general onfield plan but change and response need a closer direct approach from someone right on the spot. Posters are right in their contention that there seem to be few Perryman, Mackay and Mabbutt types about but that makes it even more important to identify one. Both the Juve and Man United defeats come to mind for me where we were lacking. It is not about Lloris as such but more his influence limitation. An on field captain can sense and address problems with anger attitude or approach. Encouraging or rousing up players as need be. Not sure there is a need for such a captain in the Football manager competitions but on the pitch, in the mud, in face of hostile crowds a calming or uplifting influence, to me, is essential.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Some one, anyone, needs to make the call when to switch from short passes around the defence to longer, more direct balls, as that short passing under pressure is pissing tens of thousands of people off every game.

 

[Shadydan]

Some one, anyone, needs to make the call when to switch from short passes around the defence to longer, more direct balls, as that short passing under pressure is pissing tens of thousands of people off every game.

Maybe that's what our manager wants us to do.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Interesting to hear the responses on here. All about opinion. It probably influences it somewhat if you are involved in the game to get insight. My standpoint comes from someone who has coached the U18 age group in over 1000 games and played a similar number (still playing at 63 ) Appointing the captain is probably the most important decision you make in a season. There is a difference between managing and leading, even in football. Sure Lloris can oversee / manage Poch's general onfield plan but change and response need a closer direct approach from someone right on the spot. Posters are right in their contention that there seem to be few Perryman, Mackay and Mabbutt types about but that makes it even more important to identify one. Both the Juve and Man United defeats come to mind for me where we were lacking. It is not about Lloris as such but more his influence limitation. An on field captain can sense and address problems with anger attitude or approach. Encouraging or rousing up players as need be. Not sure there is a need for such a captain in the Football manager competitions but on the pitch, in the mud, in face of hostile crowds a calming or uplifting influence, to me, is essential.

You just described Hugo Lloris. A leader isn't nessecarily a shouty, vocal type... more a calm, stoic presence who gives you confidence. You mention Mackay, and yet our captain in the double side was Blanchflower, a passive personality who was Nicholson's tactical and authoritative extension on the pitch.

The position is irrelevant. The personality is key.