Tom Carroll - QPR

[chrissivad]

managed to catch some of the second half

From what i saw, and it wasnt easy to make out the players at times, was Carroll sitting deep but managed to get forward with the ball a few times.

QPR often just missed him out and went long or down the wings, but when he did get the ball was tidy.

Used the ball well, there was a nice turn/touch in the middle of the pitch at one point and almost played someone through a few mins later. Pass was the right pace, but with a small angle it didnt make it quite through to the other player.

He seems to be bouncing off the players well, and not being pushed off the ball much. Normally too quick for them to get close to him...

also BAE still playing him self out of trouble at times.

Fans seem much happier with the performance,the goals and the win.

 

[miles_64]

Carroll starts, they chalk up a big win. I'm going to put it all down to him because that's easy for my little brain to deal with.

 

[ShelfSide18]

I went to QPR this evening and was glad to see Tom Carroll start, although he was pretty much wasted in a 442, and the uncoached, mayhem football so typical of a Redknapp side.

He played reasonably, some typically nice head up quick passing play but because he was in a CM2, with lumps like Hill and Dunne resorting to % balls into the channels so regularly, he was unable to play the game that a player like him wants to. He ended up waiting for second balls, and the occasional chance to knit the play together.

I really, really hope the rumour of him maybe going to Ajax was bollocks, and would hate to know he'd turned them down to go to QPR.

If we could recall him I'd have him back and in our first team sharpish.

 

[chrissivad]

think the ajax stuff fell through
Also dont see the point in bringing him back just now. Too many players there at the moment and cant see him getting even on the bench much at all.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

think the ajax stuff fell through
Also dont see the point in bringing him back just now. Too many players there at the moment and cant see him getting even on the bench much at all.

The point would be he could give us something we sorely lack at the moment. A heads up footballer who looks to move the ball quickly and incisively.

But as SS18 alluded to above, there's only any point in it of we are going to switch to a 433. He's not right for a CM2 in the EPL.

 

[beats1]

I went to QPR this evening and was glad to see Tom Carroll start, although he was pretty much wasted in a 442, and the uncoached, mayhem football so typical of a Redknapp side.

He played reasonably, some typically nice head up quick passing play but because he was in a CM2, with lumps like Hill and Dunne resorting to % balls into the channels so regularly, he was unable to play the game that a player like him wants to. Waiting for second balls, and the occasional chance to knit the play together.

I really, really hope the rumour of him maybe going to Ajax was bollocks, and would hate to know he'd turned them down to go to QPR.

If we could recall him I'd have him back and in our first team sharpish.

I disagree, about the CM2. His best stuff has often been in a midfield 2 and has played in it more than a 3.

He has only got back and needs time to find his feet in that team and let the team build confidence for him to run shit. He will do well but give him time

 

[beats1]

The point would be he could give us something we sorely lack at the moment. A heads up footballer who looks to move the ball quickly and incisively.

But as SS18 alluded to above, there's only any point in it of we are going to switch to a 433. He's not right for a CM2 in the EPL.

Are we?

Also we need to get rid of players before introducing more

 

[ShelfSide18]

I disagree, about the CM2. His best stuff has often been in a midfield 2 and has played in it more than a 3.

Really? Based on what? Not on the fact that he's been developed at Spurs playing in the 4-3-3 academy set-up for years. He is best deployed in a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1, in a straight lined 4-4-2 that QPR played last night he was far less effective.

 

[beats1]

Really? Based on what? Not on the fact that he's been developed at Spurs playing in the 4-3-3 academy set-up for years. He is best deployed in a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1, in a straight lined 4-4-2 that QPR played last night he was far less effective.

We do try to play 433 but for his age group it is more often like a 4231, we played Carroll and someone else in a 2CM and often would play the others all over the park. Like Mason AM/second striker, we would play Bostock at LB, Livermore at CB or with. We actually played alot of 442 in is his earlier year but worth remember there was no youth U21 or reserve team.

Just because we have a philosophy at the club doesnt mean we always used, we had such a abundance of players of CM and the fact that often players not played by harry would drop down to the tottenham XI.

At leyton orient where he started get noticed because he was the best player there in a CM 2 in a 442 despite being a tiny 19 year old there, at England once again he would often play in the 2 of a 4231. Not forgetting under Harry he played there.

He has shown in the past he can play in a 2 man CM, the issue with him and most of our players is less so formation and more how the team plays.

 

[mill]

The point would be he could give us something we sorely lack at the moment. A heads up footballer who looks to move the ball quickly and incisively.

But as SS18 alluded to above, there's only any point in it of we are going to switch to a 433. He's not right for a CM2 in the EPL.

All the evidence suggests that's not what AVB wants from the 2 in his 4231 or I'd have thought we'd have seen Holtby in that position by now

 

[Bus-Conductor]

All the evidence suggests that's not what AVB wants from the 2 in his 4231 or I'd have thought we'd have seen Holtby in that position by now

I don't know about the formation dilemma, but he's tried to sign Modric and Moutinho, so presumably he likes that type of footballer. I know Carroll is a long way from that level, but he's that type in the making potentially, so should be in AVB's thoughts IMO.

Also, up until us, AVB was a confessed 433 phile, so I'm a bit baffled that he hasn't been more prepared to use this more often with us, and this would accommodate someone like Carroll much easier.

 

[mill]

I don't know about the formation dilemma, but he's tried to sign Modric and Moutinho, so presumably he likes that type of footballer. I know Carroll is a long way from that level, but he's that type in the making potentially, so should be in AVB's thoughts IMO.

Also, up until us, AVB was a confessed 433 phobe, so I'm a bit baffled that he hasn't been more prepared to use this more often with us, and this would accommodate someone like Carroll much easier.

I agree, I really want to see Carroll involved but I can't see it happening, he's gone for 3 units again tonight

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I agree, I really want to see Carroll involved but I can't see it happening, he's gone for 3 units again tonight

To be fair, Capoue is a good footballer.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I agree, I really want to see Carroll involved but I can't see it happening, he's gone for 3 units again tonight

A cm3 of:


Paulinho/Dembele Capoue Carroll


Would be interesting.

 

[miles_64]

Also, up until us, AVB was a confessed 433 phobe,

Do you mean 433 phile?! I thought AVB was a big fan of 433?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Do you mean 433 phile?! I thought AVB was a big fan of 433?

I did indeed. Sorry I will amend.

 

[IGSpur]

Couple snippets I could find on Carroll from QPR forums. Had postive reviews last game and seems to be adapting well to 442 in Chamopionship

For me that was classic 4-4-2 fair, punts into the channel reliance on the wingers doing something special on their own. Being pressed in our own half leading to aimless punts downfield. We could possibly should have got 2 with Phillips miss and Austins post header but that was as boring as any 5 man midfield I've watched this season.

I still don't think we've got the balance right, I thought the double sub should have been either a single one hooking Hoilett and replacing with either Krankjear or Traore. Oneil was very poor when he came on and constantly took too many touches.

Main positive for me was Carroll today who I thought was class.

Right I am going to put it out there - I am coming to the conclusion that SWP offers more (and by that I mean only a little bit) of a threat than Hoilett, who is so predictable that everyone knows how to

We got plenty of speed on the flanks,we need someone with the poise to control the game.
Carroll certainly isn't that bloke.

DM's right.It is how you play the formation.

I believe we should stick with the formation of the last twenty minutes.The narrow 3 in midfield means we can play our possession game.We just need to practice attacking combination play and get Kranjar to shoot accurately.I agree with other posts that Hoillet just is not learning and so has become predictable.So head down.Maybe Matt Phillips can be improved with coaching.The movement of Hoillet and Phillips is not causing any problems to defences.AJ's movement shows them up.Is Barton being asked to do to much-I miss him in the last third nearer their goal

However what is impressive is the ability to switch systems.Carroll did ok for an English youngster as well

Asso is beginning to look bored

and say this quietly… (need Taarabt really)

 

[IGSpur]

Good lil thread here http://www.wearetherangersboys.com/forum/showthread.php?173647-Barton-and-Carroll

 

[mill]

[uote="IGSpur, post: 3730914, member: 24593"]Good lil thread here http://www.wearetherangersboys.com/forum/showthread.php?173647-Barton-and-Carroll[/quote]

Good to see he seems to be doing well there, wouldn't be a bad thing if they got promoted and stayed with them another season. We could really do with someone like him in our midfield but with all our current options it might be best for him to be loaned out in the pl next year unless we sell someone

 

[IGSpur]

Carroll could bring so much to our team. The way he spreads play then runs across the field following his own pass to provide an option. And clearly his one touch play is brilliant.

Undecided on what I want next season. I only want him to stay with us if he would get games.

I remember seeing him play for our u21s v Everton. Barkley was also playing yet Carroll completely dominated the game, Barkley was easily Evertons best player. Then you see what Barkley is doing at Everton and I think TC could be doing that for us, in his respective style of course.

Get him Eriksen, Holtby, Lamela, Townsend and Kane all learning each others styles gelling and our futures bright