Too much hysteria ruining Spurs

[guate]

Provence, excellent article, thoroughly enjoyed reading it. However I have to admit Shirtfront really nailed on the head our present situation and I find myself totally identifying with everything he says.

 

[miso_kool]

on the basis of a few bad results.

Stopped reading there.

 

[Reg]

Here here. :clap:

Where? Where?

 

[Jonesey]

Ummm, I think the boo-ing supporters are probably boo-ing the 'triumverate' too.

Our situation is dire and all of them need to take responsibility as it is all of their fault that we are in this situation in the first place, including the players who just don't fight enough or 'want it' enough on the pitch.

We are a terrible, terrible football team (the Chelsea and Hull games aside where I thought we played well and were unlucky respectively) and, based on what I've seen on Match of the Day and Sky, Stoke will beat us on Sunday unless the players go out there for a fight to the death.

If that happens, then we'll be REALLY f**ked.

 

[liewser]

Admirable of you but positivity is not always a solution to the harsh realities of life (and of our clubs current predicament).

Only a win will do this Sunday. Nothing more nothing less.

Totally agree - sometimes fans can be harsh but i scratch my head at all the calls for constant positivity regardless of what's at least performance if not result.

We have so far this season taken more or less what we deserved from our performances, Hull being the one exception, but that would still leave us down the bottom of the league. With every mediocre performance that go by the calls for positivity sound ever more ridiculous.
To write something positive on sunday regardless of the result is pointless.

If we lose 4-0 in a shocking performance how will being positive solve anything? Ignoring a cancer will not cure it, and I'm not saying we're in such a severe position but my sentiment is along those lines.

 

[JimmyG2]

I think the calls for positivity fall into two catagories
(1) Support the team on the pitch.Try to make the crowd an extra player as they do at Liverpool. Make WHL a fortress as they say not a place that players who are struggling fear to come to.

(2) Use the forums to try to analyse the play and the players and think of ways forward. Slagging the team, individual players,Levy or Comolli off in terms such as Jenas,Bent or whoever is 'crap' gets us nowhere.
It might make you feel better briefly but this a Tottenham fansite not a therapy exercise. Perhaps we should have a separate thread for people to swear and slag Jenas off.
Im not saying don't criticise but lets have some reasons and discussion and solutions.
Bent is a limited player but he was bought to score goals and he has before and will do so again.Just to say he is 'rubbish' is of no interest or benefit to anyone.
Now is the moment to support the team, its easy when you are winning.
In every team performance and individual players for that matter there is good and bad.Nobody is 'crap'for a whole game or a team
Lets pick out the good bits,criticise the bad and take the situation forward.
I often get negative,walk round the garden swearing and looking for a cat to kick when we lose to a late goal. But when I post on here I try to get things into perspective,and after coming up for 60 years as a Spurs fan, perhaps I have a bit more than some.
Before someone posts 'But Jenas is crap' I'll get in first. He is not.Disappointing ,not reaching his potential, not as suited as vice captain as say Woodgate maybe. But without him over the past three seasons we would not have achieved two fifth place finishes or the Carling Cup win.

 

[liewser]

I think the calls for positivity fall into two catagories
(1) Support the team on the pitch.Try to make the crowd an extra player as they do at Liverpool. Make WHL a fortress as they say not a place that players who are struggling fear to come to.

(2) Use the forums to try to analyse the play and the players and think of ways forward. Slagging the team, individual players,Levy or Comolli off in terms such as Jenas,Bent or whoever is 'crap' gets us nowhere.
It might make you feel better briefly but this a Tottenham fansite not a therapy exercise. Perhaps we should have a separate thread for people to swear and slag Jenas off.
Im not saying don't criticise but lets have some reasons and discussion and solutions.
Bent is a limited player but he was bought to score goals and he has before and will do so again.Just to say he is 'rubbish' is of no interest or benefit to anyone.
Now is the moment to support the team, its easy when you are winning.
In every team performance and individual players for that matter there is good and bad.Nobody is 'crap'for a whole game or a team
Lets pick out the good bits,criticise the bad and take the situation forward.
I often get negative,walk round the garden swearing and looking for a cat to kick when we lose to a late goal. But when I post on here I try to get things into perspective,and after coming up for 60 years as a Spurs fan, perhaps I have a bit more than some.
Before someone posts 'But Jenas is crap' I'll get in first. He is not.Disappointing ,not reaching his potential, not as suited as vice captain as say Woodgate maybe. But without him over the past three seasons we would not have achieved two fifth place finishes or the Carling Cup win.

completely agree with your two outlines of "positivity", i have no complaints with either. there are definitely too many people who will write "Jenas is crap" and nothing more, and i cant defend that. However people who say "jenas is crap because..." are too oftened viewed as just being ignorant when ok maybe their wording was blunt but if they have some decent rationale i cant deny someone their opinion. I personally think Jenas is key but I'm not gona tell someone they need to think differently because i think differently.


However, at the same time there are also a fair few who merely comment "you're a crap fan support your team be optimistic", and dismiss everything critical. To me when i read a comment that blindly says "be optimistic", it's just as useless as someone saying "we are crap".

 

[DC_Boy]

good post as usual jg - have some rep

 

[JimmyG2]

Thats about the third time you given me some 'rep' but as one untutored in the ways of Spurs Community what does it mean? Does it go straight into my bank account or arrive throught the post? Where the hell is it?
But thanks anyway.

 

[Dharmabum]

Taking the pressure from the press - particularly after such a poor start - is part of the job, and something players should be able to handle.
However, agree totally that one should be positive and that the potential is still there and will be "expressed" if given time (not "too" much though).
It sure takes time for players to adjust to a new league and team-mates, so have still some patience.

 

[DC_Boy]

Thats about the third time you given me some 'rep' but as one untutored in the ways of Spurs Community what does it mean? Does it go straight into my bank account or arrive throught the post? Where the hell is it?
But thanks anyway.

jg

check out your account - it's next to Home on your 'toolbar' at the top of the page - just under the scrabblesque 'community'

you'll see who's giving you rep and any comments if you missed them

I'm in there far too often - cos it's where you edit your 'ignore list' too

you can also send PMs from there- oh there's loads of stuff - it's like your own little Aladdin's cave

it's very easy to give rep BTW - it's the middle symbol above the post reply button - a pair of scale for positive or neg rep

 

[2bearis2do]

While I agree with your analysis of the press, and it's vested interest in creating drama, I see no more analysis or thought in your article than in theirs. I admire your intention; but where is the analysis? "Give it time and it will all come right"?

You say Levy, Commolli and Ramos are doing all they can and that therefore this is not their fault. Nonsense. Of course they are doing what they think is right. The question, and one you completely neglect to address, is: is what they think is right, actually right?

You ask us to be patient; to give it time. That short sited, short term reactions to temporary problems are no way to achieve long term success. I couldn't agree more; and was saying exactly that this time last year.....when Levy decided to fire Jol for only managing to come 5th, two seasons in a row. How can you expect the fans to take a long term view when their Chairman patently and expressly took such a short term one? When he decided, utterly prematurely, to undermine Jol and dismantle his squad on the premise that Jol had "taken us as far as he could". It was his hysterical (greedy) management, not the fans, that sacrificed all the progress we had made since the Hoddle era. We were still singing Jol's name ffs.

So before you look at the fans as the source of knee jerk, short termist, get rich quick attitudes try looking at the people who, long before this crisis, decided that the right thing to do was duplicitously and unscrupulously undermine the man who had brought us the most success since Birkenshaw and dismantle the sqaud that won us our first trophy in a decade.

:clap::clap::clap:

 

[2bearis2do]

I absolutely agree. Although I do agree with one aspect of the opening post...and that's that fans should never boo the players under any circumstances. If they have a problem they should focus it at the manager/DOF/chairman triumverate only.

I´m sorry but I have to stongly disagree! The subject of booing is an interesting one, not a black and white ´should NEVER boo´ statement.

Booing is as old as the game itself. As paying members of the theatre that is WHL, we reserve the right to freedom of speech and the right to boo, should we feel the performance is rubbish! It is all part of the game, like bad refereeing. You can´t just suddenly say no one should ever boo the team. Booing can also be positive.

It is the type of booing that needs debate. There is nothing better than good natured booing and nothing worse than mindless spiteful, racist, homophobic booing.

Despite all our woes, the fans at the games have been brilliant. soaring coruses of ¨¨When the Spurs go Marching in,¨ slow beats of ¨¨ÿids¨¨ etc etc all the encouragement that any player could wish for, and then the final whistle. And the right to boo, to boo a result, to boo a performance, to boo a player who has disrespected the shirt, to boo the referee, to boo opposition players on their return.

To boo is not taboo!

It is all part of the game and always has been.