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ChRiStOpHe

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Dec 14, 2004
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Knew I could count on you guys. :bigsmile:

As always mate :-D

Its not 'early in the season'. We are a third of the way through it. To expect higher than 9th at this stage is unrealistic

Bollocks.

our next lot of Home fixtures are, Wigan, birmingham, man city, fulham, reading, and sunderland. all before Man Utd pay us a visit at the start of february. I Can see us picking up plenty of points in those games, to be honest i think we are capable of winning them all!

So With that in mind i think we might just enter the top 10 come end of January, Just hoping we can get a few good additions to settle in, in January. plus Ramos new tactics and training regimes to have started to show promise.

Now we just have to hope we dont get hit with bad injuries. We really have missed ledders.

Fantastically put. This season is far from over!


That's the spirit mate! We as supporters need to learn to support! get behind the boys, Ramos, and every one else, and I'm sure our fortunes will turn before you know it!
 

BoringOldFan

It's better to burn out than to fade away...
Sep 20, 2005
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We can still finish on 86 points, not liklely but not impossible.

I think the truth behind this 'fact' is that we are simply too far behind now. Nearly a third of the season gone and we have 8 points. Can we get top four from where we are now? No.

The stupidity of a managerial change at this point is that we suffered from below-par performances as the initial incumbent was undermined, and now we will be told that we have to wait for Wendy to get his methods working.

Levy's 'plan' to get us into the top four will most likely see us not make Europe next season. Can he then go from 'nowhere' to top four? Personally I doubt it.
 

don1

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Dec 30, 2006
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not a hope if we finish in a european spot which is going to hard than that would be great
 

snake1

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Apr 23, 2006
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I think we should sill be looking for a top 5 finish. It's more unlikely now, but we should still be aiming for it.

In that case we should be aiming for 1st place and all 3 cups because that is also unlikely.
 

speccy_spur

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Its not 'early in the season'. We are a third of the way through it. To expect higher than 9th at this stage is unrealistic

Exactly. This season is already passing us by! 8th would be reasonable by the end, but we are not going anywhere soon. Sorry, just the facts. Got to be patient and get through (yet another) rebuilding season....and pray that if ENIC sell up at the end we don't have yet another one to go through after that......:-|
 

joey55

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May 20, 2005
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Going on last seasons points tally, it means we need another 60 pts from our remaining 26 games. That means about 2.1 pts per game, which is usually enough to get 2nd place in the Prem. So basically we'd have to be the 2nd best team from now until the end of the season. More realistically I'd like us to match what we did after Santini left, which was 1.5 pts per game. That would mean finishing around 12th. You may argue we have a much better squad than when Santini left, but so have a number of other teams.
 

David St Hubbins

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All we have is optimism at the moment, our limitations are there for all to see...unfortunately all the teams we should be beating have seen them as well, and we're not killing them off as the big four seem to.
Until we become the executioners and not the executed then things will never change, we can play all the pretty football we want...but how many goals have we scored when we've tried to be too precise...too fucking clever doesn't cut it most of the time, so the answer is NO...we may avoid relegation...and that's it, i hope i'm wrong
 

ckafetz

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Feb 10, 2006
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As always mate :-D



Bollocks.



Fantastically put. This season is far from over!



That's the spirit mate! We as supporters need to learn to support! get behind the boys, Ramos, and every one else, and I'm sure our fortunes will turn before you know it!


Why bollocks?

Look at it this way. The normal top 4 will probably be the same, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man Utd, Liverpool. No way we will finish above any of them this season. Then there is Blackburn who for me are the team to finish 5th. Again there is no way we will finish above them. Then you have Man City, Everton and Portsmouth. Man City are good under Sven with quality signings and I think they will carry on playing well and finish above us. Everton are consistantly solid so no reason to think they will drop below us so thats top 7 out of the way. Portsmouth have started well but maybe there is an argument to say they can't sustain it so I won't include them as definites to finish above us but they are 'maybes' and the other 'maybe' is Aston Villa. All the other teams we can finish above but the top 7 I have metioned I just can't see it and Portsmouth and Villa could sneak too far away if we're not careful so 10th could be our highest
 

hatch

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Apr 4, 2005
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string a few games together..we have a reasonable run in but 4th is a massive ask.. with a bit of luck ramos could just be finding his feet when the fa cup starts and we could.....my brains stopped......
 

SpurSince57

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Going on last seasons points tally, it means we need another 60 pts from our remaining 26 games. That means about 2.1 pts per game, which is usually enough to get 2nd place in the Prem. So basically we'd have to be the 2nd best team from now until the end of the season. More realistically I'd like us to match what we did after Santini left, which was 1.5 pts per game. That would mean finishing around 12th. You may argue we have a much better squad than when Santini left, but so have a number of other teams.

Coincidentally, we're now at the same point in the season that Jol took over from Santini, but 6 points worse off. (There seems to be some dispute as to which was Jol's first game in charge, Charlton or Arsenal.) We lost the next two games and then took 37 points from the remaining 24, at 1.54 PPG. If we can beat the Wiggies and West Ham, we'll have the same points total after 14 games that we did in 2004-2005.

If we can repeat the run we did then things will look a lot brighter: 20 points from eight games was excellent, and we might have got 24 if we hadn't been so silly as to draw at home against Palace and a blind referee and linesman hadn't robbed us of an improbable win at OT. Unfortunately, we then proceeeded to lose five of the next eight in the traditional Spurs New Year Slump and never really picked up the momentum again.

So, 43 points at 1.65 PPG to repeat the 2004-2005 performance. We need a minimum of 2 PPG to give us a chance of a top six place. Off the top of my head, we took about 50 points from the corresponding fixtures last season, so that's not totallly out of the question.

But fourth was always a chimera.
 

joey55

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May 20, 2005
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Coincidentally, we're now at the same point in the season that Jol took over from Santini, but 6 points worse off. (There seems to be some dispute as to which was Jol's first game in charge, Charlton or Arsenal.) We lost the next two games and then took 37 points from the remaining 24, at 1.54 PPG. If we can beat the Wiggies and West Ham, we'll have the same points total after 14 games that we did in 2004-2005.

If we can repeat the run we did then things will look a lot brighter: 20 points from eight games was excellent, and we might have got 24 if we hadn't been so silly as to draw at home against Palace and a blind referee and linesman hadn't robbed us of an improbable win at OT. Unfortunately, we then proceeeded to lose five of the next eight in the traditional Spurs New Year Slump and never really picked up the momentum again.

So, 43 points at 1.65 PPG to repeat the 2004-2005 performance. We need a minimum of 2 PPG to give us a chance of a top six place. Off the top of my head, we took about 50 points from the corresponding fixtures last season, so that's not totallly out of the question.

But fourth was always a chimera.

I think ultimately the fitness of Leds will play be the biggest factor. Jol bashers may want to look away but last season when Leds played we averaged 1.8 pts per game, which is Champions League form. The previous season we averaged 1.96 pts per game, which is 3rd place form. It should also be noted that he played in a majority of the games against the top 4.
 

camaj

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Aug 10, 2004
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We've only dropped 4 points and Liverpool have dropped 2, if they don't improve and we do there's a chance we could do it.

However it's far too early to tell. Yes it's a third of the way in but we could be in the top 10 before xmas and then we could build on that.

The main thing the team need to do is focus on the next game. We need to start with a win in Israel and then against Wigan. Then by the time we'll play the next game Ramos would have had 3 weeks with them, long enough to start seeing signs of improvement.

Good omen time, Wigan at home was when we first started to turn things around last season. Berbatov scored his second league goal of the season
 

TopSpurMan

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Aug 14, 2007
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stop it - top 4 - clearly having a laugh - when Jol took over we had a defensive unit 2nd to none - as Mourinho put it we parked the bus - there was no better defensive record than ours - can you say the same now?

Lot more work to be done now than then, I know it, you know it, we all know it, but being spurs fans well next sesaon is our's
 

johno

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Apr 7, 2005
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top 4 - no chance, however top 6/7 is still very much on. we have a nice run of home fixtures coming up and i have every confidence we'll do alright this season.
 

striebs

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We need to buy a midfield before we start talking about challenging the top 4 . And new owners , we won't achieve 4th under enic .

Only 18 year old Bale could be playing for a top 4 side . Lennon is far short of SWP but could be developed .

Can anyone remember where the suggestion that we were in the chase for 4th originated ? Was it the hype eminating from the club or the media ?
 

Michey

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May 4, 2004
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Can anyone remember where the suggestion that we were in the chase for 4th originated ? Was it the hype eminating from the club or the media ?
I rembember bot Jol and King talking about top4 before the season
 

ossibissa

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Jul 13, 2005
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top 4 is a no, I see top 6 this season with either everton, man city or blackburn in that order of likelihood. pompey 7th
 
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