Tottenham afraid to play at home - Emmanuel Adebayor

[SteveH]

You've got to be shitting me?! Were you there?! Did you actually see the game?! Name one game that featured a worst first half in the last twenty years or so.

I not "shitting you" bro!

My worst memory was losing 3-5 to United after being 3-0 up - but that was a second half......collapse [edit] the date was 29/09/2001 Think Glenn was sacked soon after.

Yes it was bloody awful. I watched the game again - sad I know!
Our defence was all over the place as I said elsewhere it was like the 'charge of the light brigade' as they 'tried' their damndest to press. But they were way out of sinque. Thus it turned into a rout. It looked like they have never understood what Poch's system - not one player! They were muddled and left themselves out of position and exposed.

I've been watching Spurs for 45 years or so and this season is up there as a true stinker.

 

[Japhet]

You've misunderstood my sentence. Every high-level team in any sport is packed with difficult-to-manage egos. Spurs are no different. The point was that Redknapp's skills in manipulating a group of those people into a happy, enthusiastic and supportive team is underrated, because it's bloody hard to get it right.

'Stop pandering to them' is just a pointless comment. Proper management of high-functioning professionals (a university department or a research lab as much as a football team) involves a complex mixture of indulgence, discipline, support, direction, listening, confidence-building and cracking down on bad behaviour.

If it's so that Pochettino has those abilities, then we will have to grind through however many seasons it takes until he can get his team functioning as he wants it to function. But posting 'stop pandering to them,' just sounds as if you misunderstand Redknapp's abilities as much as most other Spurs supporters. His players understood them.

Why do you keep going on about Harry Redknapp? The thread is about Spurs players being 'afraid' of being booed at WHL.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Why do you keep going on about Harry Redknapp? The thread is about Spurs players being 'afraid' of being booed at WHL.

Because the underlying issues, as detailed by Adebayor, are getting players to play with a strong mentality and to work together as a team. Pochettino is reputed to have those skills, but hasn't shown them with us yet.

The only example of someone who can do that and whom we've seen close-up over the past 25+ years is Redknapp. So he's the ideal counter-example to demonstrate what we need and what we have been missing the past 3 years.

If Pochettino can do that and also get the hard-pressing/fluid-attacking/vigorous-defending up to speed, he could turn out to be a very good manager. But it's going to take awhile, probably measured in years.

It didn't take Redknapp years after he arrived and that wasn't just because he inherited a few top-class players (and a badly unbalanced squad), it was because he had 30 years experience of team-building. Pochettino has about 5 years of that kind of seasoning.

 

[Japhet]

Because the underlying issues, as detailed by Adebayor, are getting players to play with a strong mentality and to work together as a team. Pochettino is reputed to have those skills, but hasn't shown them with us yet.

The only example of someone who can do that and whom we've seen close-up over the past 25+ years is Redknapp. So he's the ideal counter-example to demonstrate what we need and what we have been missing the past 3 years.

If Pochettino can do that and also get the hard-pressing/fluid-attacking/vigorous-defending up to speed, he could turn out to be a very good manager. But it's going to take awhile, probably measured in years.

It didn't take Redknapp years after he arrived and that wasn't just because he inherited a few top-class players (and a badly unbalanced squad), it was because he had 30 years experience of team-building. Pochettino has about 5 years of that kind of seasoning.

Juande Ramos did it at Seville. AVB did it at Porto. The common denominator in our shortcomings over the years has been the attitude of players on the pitch, regardless of who is in charge. As I said earlier, we pander to inflated egos (a comment which you dismissed as 'pointless') but it's clear to me that too many of them believe their own hype, expect respect they are not prepared to earn and want 'an arm round the shoulder' at the drop of a hat.

 

[Always Offside]

I'd like to see what Fergie would do with our lot. He wouldn't stand for any big ego's or player shenanigans that's for sure. Can he be brought in as some sort of ass kicking consultant I wonder ? hehe

 

[Block D Spurs]

Sherwood was right when he said the players were gutless, and not performing. I agree we sold a team leader in Sandro, and a 100% effort Holtby. Poch. has to get his messages across to them, no excuse of spanish speaking players not understanding him. (Lamela Soldado etc.) IMO... Levy has to step into the dressing room alongside Poch. with Baldi behind him, and lay down the law.. perform or be transferred out. Too many foreign players here are just picking up wages that make them multi millionaires in their own countries, and too comfortable / run down their contracts..(BAE). So start playing properly to show respect to THFC, playing management coaches, and fans... Poch has to get his 1st team confirmed, and motivated, too much rotation..

 

[Main Man]

The only example of someone who can do that and whom we've seen close-up over the past 25+ years is Redknapp.

It didn't take Redknapp years after he arrived and that wasn't just because he inherited a few top-class players (and a badly unbalanced squad), it was because he had 30 years experience of team-building. Pochettino has about 5 years of that kind of seasoning.

Jol had us playing as a team. AVB did too to a lesser extent, although not in an entertaining way. They had relatively limited experience.

The reason Redknapp did better was because he had a much better team (even if we were bottom) and/or perhaps (more like definitely) he is just a better all round manager.

 

[Main Man]

I'd like to see what Fergie would do with our lot. He wouldn't stand for any big ego's or player shenanigans that's for sure. Can he be brought in as some sort of ass kicking consultant I wonder ? hehe

The thing is though, bar maybe one or two - and that could just be body language etc - they are all trying their best.

That's what worries me the most.

 

[Paolo10]

In my opinion our biggest issue is the lack of character and class (experienced quality) in the squad.

There isn't one outfield player in that squad that is experienced enough in the Premier League with enough quality to have an impact on the first team, there isn't really one of those players I look at and could hand on heart say that we could rely on them still putting a shift in or doing something positive to get us back into a game, to grab a game by the scruff of the neck and start making things happen or to change something when we're up against it.

Lloris aside, Kane for me is the only positive at the moment, I feel for him playing with so many seemingly gutless players. Too weak mentally, not brave enough in decisions and in taking risks on the ball. Not focused enough, really just not good enough when it comes down to it.

If you're not getting the rub of the green, at least look like you give a fuck, like you're trying your heart out, like you even fucking slightly care! Put the effort in for fuck's sake! The crowd can see that, that's why they're booing. It's horrible to fucking see! And I think from Poch's regularly sour bake, he can see it too. It's not like we don't have a lot of talented lads, but at the moment far too many just don't seem to have the right attitude/mentality to really make the most of their talent. It's almost like you can visibly see their bollocks collectively shrink when we concede first.

We had the players with the mentality to affect games before, they usually always move on for massive profits, it's the players we've signed replacing them. How many of Poch's signings are regularly playing at the moment? How many were his first choices? We do this to managers all the fucking time...then sack them and sack them again. Redknapp broke that Spurs cycle we seemed to be back in and seem to have fallen into again since.

Harry did well because he knows what makes a team, the blend of character, quality and experience and the mentality of a player and how to get more out of them (Adebayor is an excellent example of this as it happens). He could also usually pick a decent gamble or two transfer-wise on a lesser budget too. I think the evolution of the squad since Harry has kind of fucked us.

Kaboul is our captain. I mean come on. We've no leaders, nowhere near enough bottle, that winning mentality. The really frustrating thing is you can see a load of them have the talent. It's very worrying at the moment, something needs to change very soon. Some of this lot need to fucking step up and show exactly why they're paid thousands and thousands of fucking pounds to pull on a shirt every week that many have dreamed of.

 

[Dennism]

Stop believing what you read in the press and hear in the media.

So what do you think the problem is?

 

[SteveH]

In my opinion our biggest issue is the lack of character and class (experienced quality) in the squad.

There isn't one outfield player in that squad that is experienced enough in the Premier League with enough quality to have an impact on the first team, there isn't really one of those players I look at and could hand on heart say that we could rely on them still putting a shift in or doing something positive to get us back into a game, to grab a game by the scruff of the neck and start making things happen or to change something when we're up against it.

Lloris aside, Kane for me is the only positive at the moment, I feel for him playing with so many seemingly gutless players. Too weak mentally, not brave enough in decisions and in taking risks on the ball. Not focused enough, really just not good enough when it comes down to it.

If you're not getting the rub of the green, at least look like you give a fuck, like you're trying your heart out, like you even fucking slightly care! Put the effort in for fuck's sake! The crowd can see that, that's why they're booing. It's horrible to fucking see! And I think from Poch's regularly sour bake, he can see it too. It's not like we don't have a lot of talented lads, but at the moment far too many just don't seem to have the right attitude/mentality to really make the most of their talent. It's almost like you can visibly see their bollocks collectively shrink when we concede first.

We had the players with the mentality to affect games before, they usually always move on for massive profits, it's the players we've signed replacing them. How many of Poch's signings are regularly playing at the moment? How many were his first choices? We do this to managers all the fucking time...then sack them and sack them again. Redknapp broke that Spurs cycle we seemed to be back in and seem to have fallen into again since.

Harry did well because he knows what makes a team, the blend of character, quality and experience and the mentality of a player and how to get more out of them (Adebayor is an excellent example of this as it happens). He could also usually pick a decent gamble or two transfer-wise on a lesser budget too. I think the evolution of the squad since Harry has kind of fucked us.

Kaboul is our captain. I mean come on. We've no leaders, nowhere near enough bottle, that winning mentality. The really frustrating thing is you can see a load of them have the talent. It's very worrying at the moment, something needs to change very soon. Some of this lot need to fucking step up and show exactly why they're paid thousands and thousands of fucking pounds to pull on a shirt every week that many have dreamed of.

Sadly we have now been priced out of the players with "experienced quality". Its how far prices have increase for these type of player.

Even City and Arsenal are struggling, so what bloody chance do we stand.