Tottenham are failing their fans on season ticket prices

[Sweetsman]

Lots of people are saying the same as the telegraph reporter.
Lots of people on here for example. Lots of people that can't seem to see past "my seat costs more"

It's about not alienating your fan base, who are important in creating the atmosphere that will bring far more money from TV and sponsors than gate receipts. The increase might may for expensive cheese, of the hard variety as far as Levy is concerned.

 

[Sweetsman]

Lots of people are saying the same as the telegraph reporter.
Lots of people on here for example. Lots of people that can't seem to see past "my seat costs more"

So, you said the reporter was thick, but I pointed out that Cloake is not and has said much the same thing. You seem to be having difficulty understanding some simple points.

 

[yiddopaul]

So the massive increases will guarantee that we keep our stars? No, I don't think so either. Levy obviously can have it both ways.

So your solution is to not pay them more money? Or do you think there’s a money press where we can print as much as we like? I’m not suggesting we will be able to compete with every team Or keep all our players, some will ask for vulgar amounts. But we will be able to make it much more attractive to remain. Don’t forget we have one of the best bonus incentives of most PL teams.

 

[parj]

Just to put this in perspective versus other "new" stadiums. Other stadiums including Emirates and Wembley cut corners towards the end to save money. This has not been the case at new WHL. This stadium genuinely will have everything of a premium level. I worked for the company that won the lighting and none of it is cheap crap. This is the Levy philosophy for the stadium. This is genuinely a world class premium stadium. This isn't affordable housing type build. This is more premium in quality than most new apartments in London.

But if there are more seats available at under £1000 then that's great. For me that's the tottenham marketing machine failing to highlight that.

 

[parj]

It's about not alienating your fan base, who are important in creating the atmosphere that will bring far more money from TV and sponsors than gate receipts. The increase might may for expensive cheese, of the hard variety as far as Levy is concerned.

Would you prefer cheaper seats or paying market price salaries? Every extra £50k a week is over £2m a year. The extra revenues from sponsorship and prize money still needs to be used to recruit those super star players fans want and pay those other bills associated with the club.

I think we, as fans, need to decide what we want. Cheaper tickets or paying money to retain or recruit stars. Money has to come from somewhere.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

It's about not alienating your fan base, who are important in creating the atmosphere that will bring far more money from TV and sponsors than gate receipts. The increase might may for expensive cheese, of the hard variety as far as Levy is concerned.

Well the ones Aliented sound as though they'd have been happier if we were still at the lane and their tickets cost the same as they did in 1996 when we were dog shit. So fuck them, if they're alienated we're doing it right.

So, you said the reporter was thick, but I pointed out that Cloake is not and has said much the same thing. You seem to be having difficulty understanding some simple points.

You didn't point out that this Cloake fella said the same as the telegraph. You quoted MY post and stated "Cloake said much the same"
Hence why I didn't understand why you'd disliked my post and then seemingly agreed with it.

Just to put this in perspective versus other "new" stadiums. Other stadiums including Emirates and Wembley cut corners towards the end to save money. This has not been the case at new WHL. This stadium genuinely will have everything of a premium level. I worked for the company that won the lighting and none of it is cheap crap. This is the Levy philosophy for the stadium. This is genuinely a world class premium stadium. This isn't affordable housing type build. This is more premium in quality than most new apartments in London.

But if there are more seats available at under £1000 then that's great. For me that's the tottenham marketing machine failing to highlight that.

Tottenham have quite defiantly responded that there are more seats available at under a grand than there were at any price for the entire 20k or so season ticket holders at the old stadium

But people can't let go of their seat location so they're kicking off.
There's bucket loads of the £875 tickets in the north and south upper left but people are moaning their tits off because they were on a sideline before.

I liken it to the housing market where certain areas, being up and coming typically rise in price quicker than others. The side lines are these areas and simply, if you can't afford to live there, buy a house somewhere else. There ARE other houses. Plenty of them. They're just not right near the local train station that gets into London in under 30 minutes.

 

[Metalhead]

Just to put this in perspective versus other "new" stadiums. Other stadiums including Emirates and Wembley cut corners towards the end to save money. This has not been the case at new WHL. This stadium genuinely will have everything of a premium level. I worked for the company that won the lighting and none of it is cheap crap. This is the Levy philosophy for the stadium. This is genuinely a world class premium stadium. This isn't affordable housing type build. This is more premium in quality than most new apartments in London.

But if there are more seats available at under £1000 then that's great. For me that's the tottenham marketing machine failing to highlight that.

Love or loathe Levy, it's indisputable that the man demands the very best in every aspect of what he does at the club.

 

[Dougal]

I liken it to the housing market where certain areas, being up and coming typically rise in price quicker than others. The side lines are these areas and simply, if you can't afford to live there, buy a house somewhere else. There ARE other houses. Plenty of them. They're just not right near the local train station that gets into London in under 30 minutes.

That would be a great example if not for the fact that it’s absolutely shitty when that happens too. And people can live in different areas, and adjust. But if you eventually are priced out of the completely you can’t just switch to a different club. Not if you have any self respect anyway.

 

[Sweetsman]

Well the ones Aliented sound as though they'd have been happier if we were still at the lane and their tickets cost the same as they did in 1996 when we were dog shit. So fuck them, if they're alienated we're doing it right.



You didn't point out that this Cloake fella said the same as the telegraph. You quoted MY post and stated "Cloake said much the same"
Hence why I didn't understand why you'd disliked my post and then seemingly agreed with it.



Tottenham have quite defiantly responded that there are more seats available at under a grand than there were at any price for the entire 20k or so season ticket holders at the old stadium

But people can't let go of their seat location so they're kicking off.
There's bucket loads of the £875 tickets in the north and south upper left but people are moaning their tits off because they were on a sideline before.

I liken it to the housing market where certain areas, being up and coming typically rise in price quicker than others. The side lines are these areas and simply, if you can't afford to live there, buy a house somewhere else. There ARE other houses. Plenty of them. They're just not right near the local train station that gets into London in under 30 minutes.

1. I disagreed, not disliked, but it wasn't anything personal.
2. Given that I mentioned that Cloaked, who is co-chair of THST, was intelligent, I would have thought you'd have understood what was being referred to. Comments on here tend to be in abbreviated forms of writing, so have to be read in context. I realise my comment could have been read in the way you did, but don't understand why you took such umbrage.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

That would be a great example if not for the fact that it’s absolutely shitty when that happens too. And people can live in different areas, and adjust. But if you eventually are priced out of the completely you can’t just switch to a different club. Not if you have any self respect anyway.

It is shitty but it's kind of the reality of the world. If you rent a nice house in a shit area, that gets really lifted over the years, you can't expect the landlord to freeze the rent indefinitely. There are laws that say X amount of new houses have to be affordable. As far as I'm concerned, there are still suffient numbers of affordable seats available so the moaning is unfounded. Unless you have infinite funds you have to weigh up location vs price for the season ticket in the way you might need to downsize your house to stay in the area in the housing market.

1. I disagreed, not disliked, but it wasn't anything personal.
2. Given that I mentioned that Cloaked, who is co-chair of THST, was intelligent, I would have thought you'd have understood what was being referred to. Comments on here tend to be in abbreviated forms of writing, so have to be read in context. I realise my comment could have been read in the way you did, but don't understand why you took such umbrage.

I didn't take umbridge. I was genuinely confused as I thought from your reply that you were agreeing with me and that this Cloake chap also was.

 

[Dougal]

It is shitty but it's kind of the reality of the world. If you rent a nice house in a shit area, that gets really lifted over the years, you can't expect the landlord to freeze the rent indefinitely. There are laws that say X amount of new houses have to be affordable. As far as I'm concerned, there are still suffient numbers of affordable seats available so the moaning is unfounded. Unless you have infinite funds you have to weigh up location vs price for the season ticket in the way you might need to downsize your house to stay in the area in the housing market.





I didn't take umbridge. I was genuinely confused as I thought from your reply that you were agreeing with me and that this Cloake chap also was.

The revolt is that it’s a football club, not the housing market and to treat it as such is to exploit a loyalty that doesn’t exist in property. I’m honestly surprised some people need this explained to them, even in this day and age.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

The revolt is that it’s a football club, not the housing market and to treat it as such is to exploit a loyalty that doesn’t exist in property. I’m honestly surprised some people need this explained to them, even in this day and age.

So what do you propose then? That building the stadium was a bad idea? That it should be priced the same as Stoke? That new fans pay more but residents get a fixed price for life?

I think the prices being frozen for about 5 years has really skewed things. If they'd gone up 5% a year over the last 5 years we'd be roughly where we are. That's not an abnormal increase. My train ticket goes up more and I don't bleat that I'm being priced out of my commute to work.

There's not that many people who "equivalent" seat has gone up more than that. There's a level of self entitlement that gets in the way of logic.
You can't have brand new and shiney, a successful team on the pitch and have it for prices set years ago. Don't blame Spurs for that. Blame Sky, blame the PL. Blame the oliarcs and sheiks. Spurs are doing what needs to be done to not end up where West Ham and Place are.

 

[parj]

The revolt is that it’s a football club, not the housing market and to treat it as such is to exploit a loyalty that doesn’t exist in property. I’m honestly surprised some people need this explained to them, even in this day and age.

It's a football club that is now part of a huge revenue generating machine. It's a business now. Doesn't matter if we like it or not, but that's the reality. Wealthy owners changed the game.

Brands always exploit loyalty. Tottenham is a football club and a brand.

 

[Dougal]

So what do you propose then? That building the stadium was a bad idea? That it should be priced the same as Stoke? That new fans pay more but residents get a fixed price for life?

I think the prices being frozen for about 5 years has really skewed things. If they'd gone up 5% a year over the last 5 years we'd be roughly where we are. That's not an abnormal increase. My train ticket goes up more and I don't bleat that I'm being priced out of my commute to work.

There's not that many people who "equivalent" seat has gone up more than that. There's a level of self entitlement that gets in the way of logic.
You can't have brand new and shiney, a successful team on the pitch and have it for prices set years ago. Don't blame Spurs for that. Blame Sky, blame the PL. Blame the oliarcs and sheiks. Spurs are doing what needs to be done to not end up where West Ham and Place are.

Spurs have the highest prices with the second highest capacity. It’s only getting skewed one way. Personally, yes, I was happy at White Hart Lane. Also less poor.

 

[Dougal]

It's a football club that is now part of a huge revenue generating machine. It's a business now. Doesn't matter if we like it or not, but that's the reality. Wealthy owners changed the game.

Brands always exploit loyalty. Tottenham is a football club and a brand.

Doesn’t mean people have to like it. Especially when it hits them in the pocket by exploiting loyalty. It’s only natural people complain about their individual grievances.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

It’s only natural people complain about their individual grievances.

Save it for Festivus.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Spurs have the highest prices with the second highest capacity. It’s only getting skewed one way. Personally, yes, I was happy at White Hart Lane. Also less poor.

I never had season ticket at the lane so I'm more poor than you

 

[Archibald Leitch]

So your solution is to not pay them more money?

There are 26,000 more seats in the new stadium compared to the old one. These include a massive increase in the hospitality provision too. These already represent a massive increase in match-day revenue.

Or do you think there’s a money press where we can print as much as we like?

Yes. It's called "Season Ticket Holders".

Don’t forget we have one of the best bonus incentives of most PL teams.

So why the fear that the players will all leave unless fans are charged the highest ticket prices in the league?

 

[Lighty64]

There are 26,000 more seats in the new stadium compared to the old one. These include a massive increase in the hospitality provision too. These already represent a massive increase in match-day revenue.
Yes. It's called "Season Ticket Holders".
So why the fear that the players will all leave unless fans are charged the highest ticket prices in the league?

but it's not only players wages that need to be increased, and if we take the news that what Toby was offered which was over a 100% increase, if every player gets close to over a 100% increase then the extra 26k seats mean nothing, because our attendance won't be being increased over 100% its below.

we then have to pay for the stadium, which unfortunately doubled in price from the time we got permission. so to try and also compete in the wages league and on the field they have decided on the prices that are now on show. only trouble is and hopefully it will only be Toby, he wants near on 200% increase.

the biggest % effected in the increase to what my understanding is, is the East Stand. the only way they could of suffered a smaller increase would of meant the West Stand having to have a drastic drop to make it fair. The West Stand ST holders have been paying near on double what the East Stand has for years, why should they still pay a lot more when really the only thing they never suffered at the OWHL was the odd column obscuring their view. a lot in the old east stand were paying a lot less and never had any restricted view, but really don't know what those in the east stand expected their tickets to go up by.

the club should of still at least included 2 cup tickets even if just domestic cup games, and perhaps that's something they can do once they know what our turnover will be once everything has been up and running for a season or 2

 

[Archibald Leitch]

but it's not only players wages that need to be increased, and if we take the news that what Toby was offered which was over a 100% increase, if every player gets close to over a 100% increase then the extra 26k seats mean nothing, because our attendance won't be being increased over 100% its below.

we then have to pay for the stadium, which unfortunately doubled in price from the time we got permission. so to try and also compete in the wages league and on the field they have decided on the prices that are now on show. only trouble is and hopefully it will only be Toby, he wants near on 200% increase.

the biggest % effected in the increase to what my understanding is, is the East Stand. the only way they could of suffered a smaller increase would of meant the West Stand having to have a drastic drop to make it fair. The West Stand ST holders have been paying near on double what the East Stand has for years, why should they still pay a lot more when really the only thing they never suffered at the OWHL was the odd column obscuring their view. a lot in the old east stand were paying a lot less and never had any restricted view, but really don't know what those in the east stand expected their tickets to go up by.

the club should of still at least included 2 cup tickets even if just domestic cup games, and perhaps that's something they can do once they know what our turnover will be once everything has been up and running for a season or 2

Not every player is looking for a 100% increase.
I don't give a stuff about NFL. They could have reduced the stadium cost substantially by scrapping the NFL tie-in.
Other clubs are paying their players a lot more than us on lower gate receipts.
They are clever people who run the club. They know what the T/O will be in the next season or two.
We will have the highest season ticket pricess in the league next year.
We will still have one of the lowest net spends on transfers
We will still have among the lowest wages to T/O ratio in the league too.
We will still have a lot of room to improve our commercial revenues (which aren't that good, comparatively)
The club has already benefited from substantially increased TV revenue

Given all that, I can't see any compelling reason to raise ST prices as high as they have done, and I agree with the sentiment of the quoted article.

I paid £745 for my ST this year. By the time I can buy one in Phase 7, I don't expect to be able to get one for less than £1125 anywhere in the ground. That's a 51% increase. If by some piece of luck there are £995 tickets still available, I'll only have to stump up an extra 33%. Lucky me.