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Haddock

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Not every player is looking for a 100% increase.
I don't give a stuff about NFL. They could have reduced the stadium cost substantially by scrapping the NFL tie-in.
Other clubs are paying their players a lot more than us on lower gate receipts.
They are clever people who run the club. They know what the T/O will be in the next season or two.
We will have the highest season ticket pricess in the league next year.
We will still have one of the lowest net spends on transfers
We will still have among the lowest wages to T/O ratio in the league too.
We will still have a lot of room to improve our commercial revenues (which aren't that good, comparatively)
The club has already benefited from substantially increased TV revenue

Given all that, I can't see any compelling reason to raise ST prices as high as they have done, and I agree with the sentiment of the quoted article.

I paid £745 for my ST this year. By the time I can buy one in Phase 7, I don't expect to be able to get one for less than £1125 anywhere in the ground. That's a 51% increase. If by some piece of luck there are £995 tickets still available, I'll only have to stump up an extra 33%. Lucky me.

Good points.
 

Lighty64

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Not every player is looking for a 100% increase.

enough of them will want parity to make a difference.

I don't give a stuff about NFL. They could have reduced the stadium cost substantially by scrapping the NFL tie-in.

you might not, but the NFL tie in will most probably help get a bigger sponsor and allows us to hold multiple events without fucking the pitch up, and in the long run help pay off the stadium a lot quicker to allow us to compete even stronger 1 day

Other clubs are paying their players a lot more than us on lower gate receipts.

they haven't just spent 1bill on a stadium and other developments, have been playing CL for donkey's years, and due to success and history they make a killing all around the world and earn off it. or have owners that have enough pocket change to pay stupid wages. we are 6 highest payers and pretty long way behind 5th.

if you teams that pay the odd player a lot more then yes there are, but their overall is way below ours, and for some of them it might be the reason they struggle as others in their squad want more.


They are clever people who run the club. They know what the T/O will be in the next season or two.

they don't know the T/O the next 2 years. they can only predict that we might have CL money for them 2 years, and perhaps their workings means if we have a slump, they still have to pay the stadium off.

We will have the highest season ticket prices in the league next year.

we will also have the best stadium, and facilities. hopefully the players will put in double effort for those pay rises they get

We will still have one of the lowest net spends on transfers

and look how well we are doing, especially with building a new stadium, or did you expect Joe Lewis to put his hand in his back pocket?

We will still have among the lowest wages to T/O ratio in the league too.

we are still 6th in the league for the amount of wages we pay, yet the old WHL wasn't in the top 6 for capacity

We will still have a lot of room to improve our commercial revenues (which aren't that good, comparatively)
The club has already benefited from substantially increased TV revenue

well hopefully the NFL and hopefully big boxing events and concerts will make our name more commercial.

and so have every club on the TV rights, but we are the only ones that have built a brand new stadium, that has doubled in cost

Given all that, I can't see any compelling reason to raise ST prices as high as they have done, and I agree with the sentiment of the quoted article.

As far as I know compared to the old WHL, there are quite a few areas that haven't increased massively, but the biggest hit are the East stand. they are now on the same prices as the old west stand, the only thing that was different for decades was the columns and a few restricted views. Now they have the same, so should either pay the same, or because they have sat there for decades (most probably because it was cheaper) a lot of them still have had the chance to pay less than they will, but would need to see the game from a different angle.


I paid £745 for my ST this year. By the time I can buy one in Phase 7, I don't expect to be able to get one for less than £1125 anywhere in the ground. That's a 51% increase. If by some piece of luck there are £995 tickets still available, I'll only have to stump up an extra 33%. Lucky me.

you can't expect them to price a brand new stadium, on the bases of what they paid at Wembley, and it's not their fault your in phase 7.

that's the same for the 14K extra season tickets that where produced due to moving to Wembley. if we had moved to MK there's a chance the a very high % of those 1st timers last season wouldn't even expect to get the chance this season.
 

Archibald Leitch

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you might not, but the NFL tie in will most probably help get a bigger sponsor and allows us to hold multiple events without fucking the pitch up, and in the long run help pay off the stadium a lot quicker to allow us to compete even stronger 1 day

well hopefully the NFL and hopefully big boxing events and concerts will make our name more commercial.
In the meantime, the supporters are expected to underwrite the not insignificant additional cost.

we will also have the best stadium, and facilities. hopefully the players will put in double effort for those pay rises they get
So you believe the players are only working at half their capacity at the moment?

did you expect Joe Lewis to put his hand in his back pocket?
Joe Lewis will benefit directly when he sells the club with its shiny new stadium paid for by us at a massive profit. So, yes.
 

Lighty64

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In the meantime, the supporters are expected to underwrite the not insignificant additional cost.

So you believe the players are only working at half their capacity at the moment?

Joe Lewis will benefit directly when he sells the club with its shiny new stadium paid for by us at a massive profit. So, yes.

the only 1's it's really over hitting is those that want to stay in the East stand, and those that started last season and because of the size of Wembley it allowed people to purchase tickets in the gods and meant they paid less than the prime views.

no I believe the players are playing to there full, but due to you being royally pissed off, if I had just answered your quote with "we have the highest prices, because we have the best stadium". you would of most probably come back with "but we don't win anything", and to do that the players need to up their game.

nah ENIC are also a business and a good chance the old boy will be long gone before he gets to make a profit, and it's not there fault you become a member as late as you did that has meant your now in phase 7 not in an early phase.
 

Archibald Leitch

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it's not there fault you become a member as late as you did that has meant your now in phase 7 not in an early phase.
But it is their fault that I am in Phase 7. It's the system they decided to implement. They could have done it in a thousand different ways.

Just to get one thing straight - I can afford to become an 1882 ST holder. I won't, because it doesn't seem very good value to me. I've made no decisions on what I will go for yet, but I will renew.

The club has failed to communicate any reasonable justification for the size of the price hike, which suggests that they can't justify it in any way that would be palatable to supporters/clients. We are becoming Arsenal in more ways than one.
 

Lighty64

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But it is their fault that I am in Phase 7. It's the system they decided to implement. They could have done it in a thousand different ways.

Just to get one thing straight - I can afford to become an 1882 ST holder. I won't, because it doesn't seem very good value to me. I've made no decisions on what I will go for yet, but I will renew.

The club has failed to communicate any reasonable justification for the size of the price hike, which suggests that they can't justify it in any way that would be palatable to supporters/clients. We are becoming Arsenal in more ways than one.

ok I'm not a season ticket holder, due to health and finances, but the way I see it from the outside is

your in phase 7, which means you purchased a ticket for the 1st time at Wembley, so how could they have done it different that would of meant you being in a higher phase than someone that is in 5 or 6 that has more points, had season tickets longer than you. because you being higher might of effected someone else that's more deserving.

if your suggesting less phases but more people in them it still wouldn't guarantee you getting a ticket for the spot you really want, as you would of been in the last phase. you are in a sense ahead of 7,000 others, and if you get in early enough you could beat most of your 5k, and a lot that are waiting for friends that are in phase 7.

justification for prices? someone mentioned that there are more seats under £800 or £1,000 now than there was at the old WHL, and also they have to pay this stadium off, and perhaps going that fraction higher means they can do it a lot quicker than Arsenal did. Arsenal literally stood still while they where paying it off, and only since have started to win trophies again, even if in their eyes they want the League or a better run at the CL, they have won the FA Cup 3 out of 4 years

East and West have the same facilities, nothing blocking views and by the sounds of it the West is very similar in price to what it used to be. I've even heard a few mention it's a fraction cheaper. so what should they of charged? for a smaller increase on the East, would of meant a massive drop on the West and both stands make up a big amount.

I don't know what the North and South charged before, but the South stand bar the 1882 seems to be selling the quickest, because the majority that like to be in amongst the atmosphere will be the place to be (and to be truthful where you wanted to be).

the cost of the development near on doubled, until it's all finished, and everything is sold they have to cover the cost, and also try and keep our squad together by offering them better wages and hope we go into the New Stadium with a strong and happy squad, unfortunately Toby wants a near on 200% increase, if many others do the same we are going to be in the shit.
 

Archibald Leitch

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your in phase 7, which means you purchased a ticket for the 1st time at Wembley, so how could they have done it different that would of meant you being in a higher phase than someone that is in 5 or 6 that has more points, had season tickets longer than you. because you being higher might of effected someone else that's more deserving.
Loads of ways. The could have used loyalty points instead of position in the season ticket waiting list, being as none of us are actually on the waiting list. They could have done a ballot. They could have done a raffle. They could have done a free-for-all. They could have done it alphabetically by surname (Mine starts with B).

The phasing isn't really the point, though.


someone mentioned that there are more seats under £800 or £1,000 now than there was at the old WHL,
If you are going to attempt to justify pricing, you should at least get your facts right.
 

Lighty64

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Loads of ways. The could have used loyalty points instead of position in the season ticket waiting list, being as none of us are actually on the waiting list. They could have done a ballot. They could have done a raffle. They could have done a free-for-all. They could have done it alphabetically by surname (Mine starts with B).

The phasing isn't really the point, though.


If you are going to attempt to justify pricing, you should at least get your facts right.

correct I just can't be bothered going through all the different threads to find it, I believe @TottenhamMattSpur posted it somewhere.

the season renewal list is the fairest way, and even then people where punished because they might of not been able to get to cup matches and away games for a few years, but have had a ST for 20+ years.

why the hell should someone that has had a season ticket for 1 season get any priority over someone that's been paying out for 1+ year especially those that have been going for decades.
 

Archibald Leitch

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I just can't be bothered

why the hell should someone that has had a season ticket for 1 season get any priority over someone that's been paying out for 1+ year especially those that have been going for decades.

Some people who have only had a season ticket for one year have been members for ages and gone to EVERY home game for the last five years, including all cup games and have therefore spent a lot more than some season ticket holders who hardly ever go, and put their ticket up for sale for most Cat B and C games.
I just can't be bothered
Nor can I, then.
 

Lighty64

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Some people who have only had a season ticket for one year have been members for ages and gone to EVERY home game for the last five years, including all cup games and have therefore spent a lot more than some season ticket holders who hardly ever go, and put their ticket up for sale for most Cat B and C games.
Nor can I, then.

so what your saying is they need to check every single fans record/history for the last ? amount of seasons, and have definite proof that they never attended each match, before they even decided what phase they should be in?

i take it the last 5 seasons suits you, but fuck those that have done it for 20 years previous but can't make every cup game or go away anymore because of health/finances or other reasons.

be honest your gutted you most probably won't get in the area you wanted, and that to get close it's going to cost more than what you value it.
 

Archibald Leitch

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be honest your gutted you most probably won't get in the area you wanted
As I have already said, I haven't decided what area I want. I can't see the point in even considering it until I can see what's available.

I've also told you that the phasing is not the point. It never was. You really don't get it at all, do you?
 

Lighty64

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As I have already said, I haven't decided what area I want. I can't see the point in even considering it until I can see what's available.

I've also told you that the phasing is not the point. It never was. You really don't get it at all, do you?

i do get it you believe the club have gone to high on the prices, and are ripping off Spurs supporters, and don't understand why prices are so high.

I have mentioned why on a few occasions, the stadium has to be paid for, the extra staff that will be working a lot longer hours need to be paid, players agents will know we can pay them more and we have to pay for it, and also compete in a higher place in future TW instead of waiting for all the teams to finish their shopping.

your the one that started the moan about phasing and how much it will cost extra

Not every player is looking for a 100% increase.
I don't give a stuff about NFL. They could have reduced the stadium cost substantially by scrapping the NFL tie-in.
Other clubs are paying their players a lot more than us on lower gate receipts.
They are clever people who run the club. They know what the T/O will be in the next season or two.
We will have the highest season ticket pricess in the league next year.
We will still have one of the lowest net spends on transfers
We will still have among the lowest wages to T/O ratio in the league too.
We will still have a lot of room to improve our commercial revenues (which aren't that good, comparatively)
The club has already benefited from substantially increased TV revenue

Given all that, I can't see any compelling reason to raise ST prices as high as they have done, and I agree with the sentiment of the quoted article.

I paid £745 for my ST this year. By the time I can buy one in Phase 7, I don't expect to be able to get one for less than £1125 anywhere in the ground. That's a 51% increase. If by some piece of luck there are £995 tickets still available, I'll only have to stump up an extra 33%. Lucky me.
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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correct I just can't be bothered going through all the different threads to find it, I believe @TottenhamMattSpur posted it somewhere.

the season renewal list is the fairest way, and even then people where punished because they might of not been able to get to cup matches and away games for a few years, but have had a ST for 20+ years.

why the hell should someone that has had a season ticket for 1 season get any priority over someone that's been paying out for 1+ year especially those that have been going for decades.

Remind me what I said and I'll go find it. Was it the numbers of tickets at certain price points?
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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You don't need to on my account. I'm well aware of the spin that the club have put on the pricing to make it appear that they are doing us a favour.
Spin?

What spin?

Are they lying that there are 23,000 tickets priced at or under £995?
Is that also a lie, that with that number of tickets there's more than the whole of old WHL?

The same grumbles keep being posted by "victims" on SSC and people are getting bored of hearing it.
It also gives Spurs hating media a stick to beat us with the more people make bold statements.

SOME kind-of equivalent area's have gone up a lot. Although there is no comparison to old WHL at all.
This is offset by the number of lower priced seats elsewhere in the stadium.

Can't afford prime view - move.
No one is being priced out of a season ticket. Just certain views.
 

Archibald Leitch

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Spin?

What spin?

Are they lying that there are 23,000 tickets priced at or under £995?
Is that also a lie, that with that number of tickets there's more than the whole of old WHL?
"Spin" does not equate to lying. Spinning is producing facts selectively to present things in a better light. Nowhere have I claimed that the club is lying.
The same grumbles keep being posted by "victims" on SSC and people are getting bored of hearing it.
Then they should disagree or WTF my posts if that's how they feel.
It also gives Spurs hating media a stick to beat us with the more people make bold statements.
So if the club does something you don't like, you should keep quiet about it in case it feeds the anti-Spurs media??!? Please!
Can't afford prime view - move.
No one is being priced out of a season ticket. Just certain views.
As I have said: personally, I can afford to buy an 1882 season ticket, but that isn't the point. Re-read the article that started this thread to discover exactly what the point is. If you still don't get it, I can't help you.
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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I can't read the original story. Ironically, a story about pricing people out of things, is hidden behind a pay wall....
All the grumbles I have heard are just people acting like victims. "Poor me - I've had a season ticket at a Premier League club for years, now we have a brand new world class stadium, one of the best teams, managers and facilities in Europe, I want to sit in the best seat in the house for the same price I was when we were shit"

Tough. Get a season ticket at Palace if you want cheap seats with a prime view. People who got halfway line tickets at the old stadium were just lucky that a new stadium has been on the horizon for 10 years so the Lane was left to rot as well as on off spells of good and bad on the pitch.

We're looking at 3 straight years in the champions league, 2 out of 3 seasons challenging for the freaking title, and people moan about their prices increasing whilst simultaneously gassing about how we don't pay our players enough.

It's crazy, badly thought out drivel. If there weren't tens of thousands of "affordable" tickets in other area's then I would feel genuine pity and be ashamed of the club. But they have given every one who has held a season ticket plenty of chances to get a ticket in the stadium within their budget.
 

Lighty64

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I can't read the original story. Ironically, a story about pricing people out of things, is hidden behind a pay wall....
All the grumbles I have heard are just people acting like victims. "Poor me - I've had a season ticket at a Premier League club for years, now we have a brand new world class stadium, one of the best teams, managers and facilities in Europe, I want to sit in the best seat in the house for the same price I was when we were shit"

Tough. Get a season ticket at Palace if you want cheap seats with a prime view. People who got halfway line tickets at the old stadium were just lucky that a new stadium has been on the horizon for 10 years so the Lane was left to rot as well as on off spells of good and bad on the pitch.

We're looking at 3 straight years in the champions league, 2 out of 3 seasons challenging for the freaking title, and people moan about their prices increasing whilst simultaneously gassing about how we don't pay our players enough.

It's crazy, badly thought out drivel. If there weren't tens of thousands of "affordable" tickets in other area's then I would feel genuine pity and be ashamed of the club. But they have given every one who has held a season ticket plenty of chances to get a ticket in the stadium within their budget.

I also can't read the article, but to be honest I wouldn't anyway. they rarely tell the truth, and if it's bad news they will turn it to make it even worse.

I do have sympathy with those originally in the East, that have been hit hardest, I have sympathy for all those that have been messed up with their phase as some on SC sound like they should of been higher, but the club have to pay for a stadium/development that has doubled in price, and even if the NFL made the cost higher, eventually that facility which will also allow us to have numerous events will also help pay it off quicker (I've no interest in NFL).

I will only be angry once we know if after all this, it doesn't eventually allow us to compete with the likes of at least Arse and Liverpool with wages. I don't expect complete parity as their merchandise will blow us out the water until we do start winning trophies. if we can start winning trophies and get to become a regular CL team, it will give us a better chance in signing players that at the moment go to Arse and Liverpool because of their history and better wages.

we will always struggle to compete financially with Man U, because of their history and everything that goes back to the Munich air disaster. the only way we compete with Sheik City and Chelscum, is for someone that has the money they have pumped in to buy success.
 
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