Tottenham Hotspur vs Juventus - Match Thread

[topper]

My reflections a coupe of days on - nothing between the teams ( you could argue that we maybe deserved it more over the two legs) and for me, it wasn’t the old lady that won out - it was another lady; luck!

 

[slartibartfast]

Of course we shouldn't have parked the bus from the beginning of the second half. But we should have parked the bus IMMEDIATELY AFTER THEY SCORED. That would have given us time to get our heads back in the game. Notice that is precisely what Juve did the second they scored goal 2. They ddidn't care. They knew that now the ball was in our court. We showed against Real that we know how to do it. This is a huge learning curve for Poch and it was a scenario that should have been discussed.Parking the bus would have allowed us to counter. Even making a sub or two after they scored would have slowed the game down.

Still, I am super proud of the lads. What this game has shown however is that in order for us to compete with the big dicks of the football world all our players need to be 120% focused and we need to take all the big chances that come our way. Juve had several half chances that they fluffed, but the moment they got their two sitters, they buried them. That's the difference.

Juventus went super defensive the second they got in front because they'd done the square root of fk all the whole game and were hanging on.
We were on top and had ample opportunities to score.
Had Poch gone defensive immediately after they scored and they had scored another anyway you'd be saying the opposite. 'We were on top, we were cteating chances, they'd done fk all, why go defensive when theyd only jad 1 chance?'
Easy in hindsight.
We had them where we wanted them for 85min of the match, camped intheir own half.
We weren't clinical enough in front of goal.
Thats where the fault was.

 

[rio bryan]

Have to laugh at all these conspiracy theories, Allegri's tactic's, Juventus substitution's, Poch not making substitution's, Juventus defence being so great,Spurs not taking their chances blah blah blah, none of the above were the cause of us making 2 basic error's at the back and that's the reason why we lost the game not any other reason, they got out of jail and their celebration's at the end confirmed this !

 

[Monkey boy]

My first Spurs game was in 1965.

I do know that we will never, ever finish above, or win a major competition against teams who have spent close to three quarters of a billion pounds.

Jeezz we couldn't win the league when there was no TV money or billionaire owners.

Leicester

 

[UbeAstard]

Ah sarcasm.
And yet his opinion and knowedge of football still outweighs yours by quite some way as he has managed a top club in us and won the FA Cup with Portsmouth.
Then theres you who has not managed or played for anyone and have won fk all.

Him and Tim Sherwood who also commented top managers in top jobs, winners.

 

[Trix]

Of course we shouldn't have parked the bus from the beginning of the second half. But we should have parked the bus IMMEDIATELY AFTER THEY SCORED. That would have given us time to get our heads back in the game. Notice that is precisely what Juve did the second they scored goal 2. They ddidn't care. They knew that now the ball was in our court. We showed against Real that we know how to do it. This is a huge learning curve for Poch and it was a scenario that should have been discussed.Parking the bus would have allowed us to counter. Even making a sub or two after they scored would have slowed the game down.

Still, I am super proud of the lads. What this game has shown however is that in order for us to compete with the big dicks of the football world all our players need to be 120% focused and we need to take all the big chances that come our way. Juve had several half chances that they fluffed, but the moment they got their two sitters, they buried them. That's the difference.

And had he parked the bus and they scored. It would have been "he sat back and invited pressure". Perhaps he could have done stuff differently, but the CL knockout stages are difficult and we were playing a seasoned European elite club. Had Kane's header been one inch to the right we may well be celebrating the win. That's why so many ex players will say to win the CL you have to have an luck on your side as well as great performances.

 

[sebo_sek]

Juventus went super defensive the second they got in front because they'd done the square root of fk all the whole game and were hanging on.
We were on top and had ample opportunities to score.
Had Poch gone defensive immediately after they scored and they had scored another anyway you'd be saying the opposite. 'We were on top, we were cteating chances, they'd done fk all, why go defensive when theyd only jad 1 chance?'
Easy in hindsight.
We had them where we wanted them for 85min of the match, camped intheir own half.
We weren't clinical enough in front of goal.
Thats where the fault was.

While I get what you're saying, and hindsight is a wonderful thing, sometimes we are guilty of naivety. It was clear that straight after their goal we were shaken. And they smelt blood. Juve are Juve. They are cunning and smart. They fell back not because they couldn't handle us. They fell back because it was job done for them. Mature teams know that all you need to do is see the game through. You don't need records. Get the job done. Juve did, and they could afford to just sit back and wait, as that is what they are expert at.
In the first game it took us 30 minutes to get one goal back. This time we had less than that and weren't as fresh. It's all part of learning.

I just want to stress - I am disappointed, obviously, but I'm not bitter or angry. If anything, this game has shown the true beauty of football. You can dominate for 160 minutes, but the tie can be settled in 3. This time we suffered and against West Ham last season we prevailed. from 2-0 down to 3-2 up in 5 minutes. Football.

 

[spurs mental]

What a load of bollocks.

Yes suprisingly enough it does take a lot of learning to go from an inconsistent, middle/upper table team with (let's be honest) no real trophy in 27 odd years, to a team capable of dominating European elites and competing for the upper echelons of the league each year, without the backing of a country like city do. And sorry to break it to you but this won't be the last learning curve either.

Also we dish out multiple lessons a season, how do you think Huddersfield fans felt when we beat them 1-4 in their own back yard? Or when we beat Rochdale 6-1?

I wasn't necessarily talking about lessons to the teams you mention. I was more talking about the big games that we always seem to get the soundbites after.

Just off the top of my head in the last 2 and half seasons:

West Brom at home 1-1
Battle of the bridge 2-2
Newcastle away 5-1
West Ham away 1-0
United away 1-0
Juventus at home 1-2
Chelsea at Wembley 4-2
Liverpool away 2-0
Chelsea at home 1-2

We've been hearing it constantly that we are learning from our mistakes and experiences. What are we learning though?

The only lessons I consider ones we've dished out this season are Liverpool at home, Arsenal at home (which we almost fucked up by again not being clinical enough), Madrid at home.

 

[sebo_sek]

And had he parked the bus and they scored. It would have been "he sat back and invited pressure". Perhaps he could have done stuff differently, but the CL knockout stages are difficult and we were playing a seasoned European elite club. Had Kane's header been one inch to the right we may well be celebrating the win. That's why so many ex players will say to win the CL you have to have an luck on your side as well as great performances.

Everything you say is spot on, but what I am proposing is a calculated risk. A team that's shaken is better off as a compact unit, than trying to maintain tactical positioning over larger spaces. I think that's pretty self explanatory.

 

[Trix]

Everything you say is spot on, but what I am proposing is a calculated risk. A team that's shaken is better off as a compact unit, than trying to maintain tactical positioning over larger spaces. I think that's pretty self explanatory.

Young inexperienced(at that level) team and manager. Just have to hope we learn from it. We certainly have progressed from last season as far as the CL is concerned.

 

[sebo_sek]

I wasn't necessarily talking about lessons to the teams you mention. I was more talking about the big games that we always seem to get the soundbites after.

Just off the top of my head in the last 2 and half seasons:

West Brom at home 1-1
Battle of the bridge 2-2
Newcastle away 5-1
West Ham away 1-0
United away 1-0
Juventus at home 1-2
Chelsea at Wembley 4-2
Liverpool away 2-0
Chelsea at home 1-2

We've been hearing it constantly that we are learning from our mistakes and experiences. What are we learning though?

The only lessons I consider ones we've dished out this season are Liverpool at home, Arsenal at home (which we almost fucked up by again not being clinical enough), Madrid at home.

Sadly the tendency on here is becoming that if one suggests what you're suggesting, they should go and support Arsenal.

 

[bubble07]

When they get older?

But we will sell them when they get older and then buy younger. Can you not see that? When they get older they will want to play for teams with better chance of winning trophies

 

[spursgirls]

I am genuinely interested in what people think Poch should have done between their first and second goals? Because I didn’t notice any massive shift in the game between minutes 60 (the subs) and 64 (the first goal).

I'm not sure he could have done anything in those three minutes. The problem was more with the players.They allowed themselves to get rattled and lost that mental strength that they showed up until that point. That allowed Juve to pull our back four apart for the second goal. I thought Sanchez basically had a good game, but we missed Toby's experience I think.

 

[Shadydan]

I wasn't necessarily talking about lessons to the teams you mention. I was more talking about the big games that we always seem to get the soundbites after.

Just off the top of my head in the last 2 and half seasons:

West Brom at home 1-1
Battle of the bridge 2-2
Newcastle away 5-1
West Ham away 1-0
United away 1-0
Juventus at home 1-2
Chelsea at Wembley 4-2
Liverpool away 2-0
Chelsea at home 1-2

We've been hearing it constantly that we are learning from our mistakes and experiences. What are we learning though?

The only lessons I consider ones we've dished out this season are Liverpool at home, Arsenal at home (which we almost fucked up by again not being clinical enough), Madrid at home.

So basically if we had learned our lessons then we'd win every single game we play in...sounds realistic.

 

[spurs mental]

So basically if we had learned our lessons then we'd win every single game we play in...sounds realistic.

I'm not saying that. You know that as well as anyone.

But it appears we haven't quite grown as much as people are suggesting. And that's what I'm getting at.

Look, I'm positive beyond most Spurs fans but it's not wrong to be disappointed about some of the performances we've put in in key games when we hear the sound bites that come out.

Expectation within our club has risen consistently and with that comes greater disappointment when we don't win but also that the players and manager learn to manage the expectation and deliver on what they say they want to achieve

 

[Shadydan]

I'm not saying that. You know that as well as anyone.

But it appears we haven't quite grown as much as people are suggesting. And that's what I'm getting at.

Look, I'm positive beyond most Spurs fans but it's not wrong to be disappointed about some of the performances we've put in in key games when we hear the sound bites that come out.

Expectation within our club has risen consistently and with that comes greater disappointment when we don't win but also that the players and manager learn to manage the expectation and deliver on what they say they want to achieve

I think if you're realistic about football you would know that sometimes you're not going to get the result you want. Looking at the bigger picture and looking at things in context you can only be proud of our progress and continue to be excited for the times ahead of us.

There's nothing wrong being disappointed but generally if you're going to select a handful of matches where we lost or didn't get the required result then I think you need to set your expectations a little lower.

I am extremely happy with this team because everytime they've faced adversity they've come back from it and improved and I'm fully confident that will happen again.

 

[spurs mental]

I think if you're realistic about football you would know that sometimes you're not going to get the result you want. Looking at the bigger picture and looking at things in context you can only be proud of our progress and continue to be excited for the times ahead of us.

There's nothing wrong being disappointed but generally if you're going to select a handful of matches where we lost or didn't get the required result then I think you need to set your expectations a little lower.

I am extremely happy with this team because everytime they've faced adversity they've you fed back from it and improved and I'm fully confident that will happen again.

I just selected those results as an addition to a previous post I made, and it was in response to someone who highlighted that we have dished out some wallops this season and last. It wasn't a selection to highlight disappointment or expectation in any case.

I do believe this set back will spur us on to greater things this season though. Bournemouth could be in for an absolute hammering this weekend. I hope Poch let's the players loose.

 

[Kiedis]

I wasn't necessarily talking about lessons to the teams you mention. I was more talking about the big games that we always seem to get the soundbites after.

Just off the top of my head in the last 2 and half seasons:

West Brom at home 1-1
Battle of the bridge 2-2
Newcastle away 5-1
West Ham away 1-0
United away 1-0
Juventus at home 1-2
Chelsea at Wembley 4-2
Liverpool away 2-0
Chelsea at home 1-2

We've been hearing it constantly that we are learning from our mistakes and experiences. What are we learning though?

The only lessons I consider ones we've dished out this season are Liverpool at home, Arsenal at home (which we almost fucked up by again not being clinical enough), Madrid at home.

What constitutes a "lesson"? There's been obvious other examples of us being street smart (Llorente coming on in the away win against West Ham and spending his entire cameo shithousing West Ham out of balance to let us see out an away win with 10 men being a personal favourite).

It just seems that in the aftermaths of this game that you're either street smart or you're not. Which is not the case. All the stuff we're getting crap for (being physical, diving, tactical fouls) is "winning mentality" when Juve does it to us, but when we do it against Liverpool and Arsenal it's a travesty.

 

[sebo_sek]

Young inexperienced(at that level) team and manager. Just have to hope we learn from it. We certainly have progressed from last season as far as the CL is concerned.

No doubt

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Football has a habit of kicking you in the bollocks