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sebo_sek

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I'm not sure he could have done anything in those three minutes. The problem was more with the players.They allowed themselves to get rattled and lost that mental strength that they showed up until that point. That allowed Juve to pull our back four apart for the second goal. I thought Sanchez basically had a good game, but we missed Toby's experience I think.
That's precisely why it should have been a scenario that was discussed as plan B. Plan A - score and don't concede. Plan B - concede then park the bus for 5-10 minutes until you regain composure, so you don't concede again.
 

sunnydelight786

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I’ve avoided all social media, tv and radio since Wednesday night as I didn’t fancy reading/seeing people over analysing the defeat.
For me it was straight forward, we just weren’t clinical enough and that’s been true of us on numerous occasions. When on top in the first half we wasted so many promising situations by our poor finishing/final pass. Ultimately we paid for that in the second half. At this level you have to take your chances when they arise. Juve did, we didn’t do that’s why we’re out!

I hope Juve go on to win it as they’re a outstanding team who never know when to give up. Of course I’m biased as they’re my second team but wednesday night showed you ‘The spirit of Juve’ that gets spoken about all the time!
 

spursgirls

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That's precisely why it should have been a scenario that was discussed as plan B. Plan A - score and don't concede. Plan B - concede then park the bus for 5-10 minutes until you regain composure, so you don't concede again.
Agreed.
 

glacierSpurs

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When the commentator mentioned a CL tie could turn on its heel right within a matter of minutes, citing the PSG vs Barca last season, I knew we were jinxed..
 

rossdapep

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I wasn't necessarily talking about lessons to the teams you mention. I was more talking about the big games that we always seem to get the soundbites after.

Just off the top of my head in the last 2 and half seasons:

West Brom at home 1-1
Battle of the bridge 2-2
Newcastle away 5-1
West Ham away 1-0

United away 1-0
Juventus at home 1-2
Chelsea at Wembley 4-2
Liverpool away 2-0
Chelsea at home 1-2

We've been hearing it constantly that we are learning from our mistakes and experiences. What are we learning though?

The only lessons I consider ones we've dished out this season are Liverpool at home, Arsenal at home (which we almost fucked up by again not being clinical enough), Madrid at home.
But we did learn lessons from some of these games.

- We finished the 2015/16 season with a whimper, ending with the Newcastle thrashing. Last season we finished in style, the players kept going even thought the title had gone.
- We beat West Ham 3-2 and if it wasn't for Aurier (a new player who hadn't been part of past failures) getting sent off West Ham would have no momentum and probably scored more.
- Liverpool away - twice we came back and if it wasn't for Kane missing the pen we probably would have won it.
- I'd argue that the Chelsea game was our first at Wembley and we were still adjusting to knowing the pitch. Chelsea have had more success there than us.
- Wembley - we finally got to grips with and learnt how to play to our best potential
- Juventus. This is new territory for us. Beating Madrid in the group stages is one thing but a knock out game takes more ruthlessness and wiliness. One mistake and you are out. Bar that 5 minute spell and the opening ten minutes of the first leg our entire CL campaign was almost faultless - think about that.


There are plenty examples of where this team and coach are learning and moving past hurdles, and I'm sure they will continue to. Unfortunately teams can't win every game. Bigger and better teams have been knocked out of the CL because they messed up in one moment.
 
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Qualsonic

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I’ve avoided all social media, tv and radio since Wednesday night as I didn’t fancy reading/seeing people over analysing the defeat.
For me it was straight forward, we just weren’t clinical enough and that’s been true of us on numerous occasions. When on top in the first half we wasted so many promising situations by our poor finishing/final pass. Ultimately we paid for that in the second half. At this level you have to take your chances when they arise. Juve did, we didn’t do that’s why we’re out!

I hope Juve go on to win it as they’re a outstanding team who never know when to give up. Of course I’m biased as they’re my second team but wednesday night showed you ‘The spirit of Juve’ that gets spoken about all the time!
Agree with the first 2 paragraphs, not the third.
 

topper

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My reflections a coupe of days on - nothing between the teams ( you could argue that we maybe deserved it more over the two legs) and for me, it wasn’t the old lady that won out - it was another lady; luck!
I’ve avoided all social media, tv and radio since Wednesday night as I didn’t fancy reading/seeing people over analysing the defeat.
For me it was straight forward, we just weren’t clinical enough and that’s been true of us on numerous occasions. When on top in the first half we wasted so many promising situations by our poor finishing/final pass. Ultimately we paid for that in the second half. At this level you have to take your chances when they arise. Juve did, we didn’t do that’s why we’re out!

I hope Juve go on to win it as they’re a outstanding team who never know when to give up. Of course I’m biased as they’re my second team but wednesday night showed you ‘The spirit of Juve’ that gets spoken about all the time!
If we had played Juve an a one off game then I reckon we would have gone through. Juve are great at getting through two-legged ties but I’m not convinced that they have enough to win a one-off final (as the last 2 years would suggest)
 

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I’ve avoided all social media, tv and radio since Wednesday night as I didn’t fancy reading/seeing people over analysing the defeat.
For me it was straight forward, we just weren’t clinical enough and that’s been true of us on numerous occasions. When on top in the first half we wasted so many promising situations by our poor finishing/final pass. Ultimately we paid for that in the second half. At this level you have to take your chances when they arise. Juve did, we didn’t do that’s why we’re out!

I hope Juve go on to win it as they’re a outstanding team who never know when to give up. Of course I’m biased as they’re my second team but wednesday night showed you ‘The spirit of Juve’ that gets spoken about all the time!
Not being clinical is not the only reason we were out. We had the advantage of two away goals to defend and we didnt. The onus was for us to protect that marginal lead by either increasing the lead, or defend what we already had. As we were weren't clinical as you said, once they scored we should have had the ability to then lock shop, the same way Juventus did once they went to 2-1 up. So to use your words "at this level" the relevant game management was lacking, that's why we are out. I sure that taking the same scenario with the same set of players on the pitch from both team, another manager like Mourhino would not have lost. (Not trying to get rid of Poch as I love him for us, just highlighting his inexperience "at this level")
 
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I'm done with "learning experiences" and "just happy to be here." We need to win something now. It's time. If we don't win the FA cup it needs to be seen as a massive failure. No more excuses. We're better than United and Chelsea.
 

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I'm done with "learning experiences" and "just happy to be here." We need to win something now. It's time. If we don't win the FA cup it needs to be seen as a massive failure. No more excuses. We're better than United and Chelsea.
The best do not always win :(
 

Thepiestand

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Hands up, Spurs are my second team and you all watch and know a lot more than me. But, imho, It was just one of those nights and nothing more should be read into it. Spurs are the second best team in the country and in the top 7 or 8 in Europe. Trophies are coming. Should go all out for the Cup this season. And next, at the new Lane, with some investment in 1 or 2 of the very best available (at the back), then you'll kick on again.
 

fortworthspur

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well this solves the problem I was anticipating of how to watch us in the CL Final while on a plane from Philadelphia to Budapest. So there's that.
 

CheeseGromit

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Not being clinical is not the only reason we were out. We had the advantage of two away goals to defend and we didnt. The onus was for us to protect that marginal lead by either increasing the lead, or defend what we already had. As we were weren't clinical as you said, once they scored we should have had the ability to then lock shop, the same way Juventus did once they went to 2-1 up. So to use your words "at this level" the relevant game management was lacking, that's why we are out. I sure that taking the same scenario with the same set of players on the pitch from both team, another manager like Mourhino would not have lost. (Not trying to get rid of Poch as I love him for us, just highlighting his inexperience "at this level")

I believe it is just as you out it
It took Citeh several campaigns to progress out of the group stages and as much as they have been there or thereabouts in PL they have not yet made a CL final.

Players at CL level and with CL experience ae quick to seize on opportunity. I would not have been surprised t see Wanyama come on for the 2nd half at the expense of one of the attacking players to see the game out.
 

Shadydan

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Spoke to my mate who is a massive Juve fan and someone who's opinion I hold in high esteem, he says that the better team lost and experience won in the end, says that Son is a brilliant player and said we're closer to the finish product than PSG
 

CarrickSpurgus

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Spoke to my mate who is a massive Juve fan and someone who's opinion I hold in high esteem, he says that the better team lost and experience won in the end, says that Son is a brilliant player and said we're closer to the finish product than PSG
I think your mates not far wrong , the General consensus amongst us fan is that we out played them over the 2 legs and the better team lost.I had a most unwelcome text shortly after the final whistle from a bindipper who is just your stereotypical, I didn't like what he said and took it as a dig (he's a prick who only sees Liverpool ) he said "spurs lack of European experience cost them " the more I think about it the more I agree, although he meant it as Liverpool have been there and done it and spurs haven't etc , but he's right.
 

Qualsonic

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Spoke to my mate who is a massive Juve fan and someone who's opinion I hold in high esteem, he says that the better team lost and experience won in the end, says that Son is a brilliant player and said we're closer to the finish product than PSG
I think most right thinking people would agree to all of that.
 

ExpatFan

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Not outplayed and not outfought.... just out-thought. It took Fergie 5 successive years to get to grips with the European Cup/Champions League. Just saying.
 
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