Match Threads Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC

[shelfboy68]

Gotta freshen it up somehow and change the dynamic.

Looking at poch today I don't see a manager who can or wants to do that and I feel for him as i think he wanted to be where Liverpool are but finds himself cut adrift with no hope of winning fuck all.

 

[thebenjamin]

Basically need to pick players who weren't at the world cup, and give those who were a kind of pre season while they're out of the side. Trying to muddle through with a fundamentally unfit team isn't a viable proposition in the short or long term.

 

[thinktank]

Poch can complain and give disdainful looks all he wants, but for his style of play he needs 11 motivated, fit, hungry, energetic players who will want to work, want to press, want to get at teams, and that is before we get to putting superior footballing ability to good use.

Right now I think the best thing he could do is get back to basics and apply that. If there are players right now who cant do it, wont do it, for whatever reason, then whoever they are and whatever their status have the bollocks to drop them until they can/will. If that means, as examples, the selection of Sissoko, or a hungry kid like Luke Amos, who you know will get around the centre of the park offering you 150%, then so be it.

The whole team looks like it needs a shot of adrenalin. In my eyes selections/formations so far this season have largely been to try and compensate for certain individuals, but if you still end up carrying passengers week after week you will get punished eventually by teams and not always be able to outgun them.

Exactly the point I've just made.

And if he doesn't get a clue in this regard then it'll be continual pain for much of this season.

His love affair with Dier, especially, has simply got to end.

 

[thinktank]

Looking at poch today I don't see a manager who can or wants to do that and I feel for him as i think he wanted to be where Liverpool are but finds himself cut adrift with no hope of winning fuck all.

Poch is stubborn.

He's got a lot of pride and it harms him.

He's reluctant to admit he's wrong and will continue to try and force through his initial idea.

Eventually he concedes and does the right thing, but often it's too late for the situation.

I love the guy and thank god for him, but he needs to develop as well.

He's by no means the finished product as a manager, though sometimes it's apparent that he thinks he is.

 

[mpickard2087]

Exactly the point I've just made.

And if he doesn't get a clue in this regard then it'll be continual pain for much of this season.

His love affair with Dier, especially, has simply got to end.

Yeah as I said, he's got to find solutions quickly. It's not terminal in terms of our season, we expect a strong finish post-Xmas, but right now there is a bad pattern to all our games (win, lose, or draw) that needs urgently addressing before we fall too far off the top and also impacts our CL campaign.

 

[Blackrat1299]

I think Pooch is trying to become the master tactician....................and failing.

 

[Jonesey]

Pochettino in his post match apparently feels we competed in that game. We need to keep going, working hard and improve. He’s not worried. He’s so good. He’s happy. He is relaxed.

Anyone watching that interview can see there’s so much behind Poch’s words today. It’s obvious this team needs a rethink but his options are a bit limited aren’t they so all he can do is tow the company line.

We can’t bring in any players until Jan earliest (when of course we won’t) so it’s up to Poch to wise-up about a few things at least.

Kane is shot. Screw “he doesn’t need a rest”, how can he be the only person not to see it? A couple of games against Brighton and Huddersfield where Son and Moura lead the line can’t possibly hurt surely?

The midfield has become too complacent. He needs to shake it the fuck up. He can’t afford to drop Eriksen because we don’t have anyone to replace him but maybe Lamela and Wanyama need to start, Dier dropped and Alli needs to be reintroduced slowly from the bench so he realises he’s not undroppable.

Defensively we are woefully bad this season. Thanks to Verts and huge dollops of luck we’ve only conceded 5 goals but combine this with an impotent and slow reacting midfield and we are vulnerable. This is the same defence that conceded only 16-17 goals in the 2015/16 season but now the dynamic is different - Rose and Toby wanting out (forget what Toby said in the week it’s not true that he “always wanted to stay at Spurs”), Dier has been eyeing a move to a team where he can win things for a season now, Trippier off the back of a fantastic World Cup feeling similarly, and after we lose against Inter in the week, the teams above us start pulling away and our season starts looking like being over early who know who else will start feeling the same.

With the Prem and CL looking extraordinary unlikely this season that leaves the cups to salvage something out of this season - and we know how Poch feels about the cups. Hope like hell he’ll think differently because a 5th or 6th place finish this season and no silverware will mean many of our best players will be off next summer.

Troubling times fellas. Troubling times.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Any way same old usual faces with the doom and gloom who only turn up after a loss or a run of indifferent results.

Enjoy you miserable bunch of ****s, the opening of the new stadium (when it happens) will be something new for you to hang your hat on.

Even those who live in another country will probably have a dour view of it ... The joys of the internet.

Enjoy Inter.

 

[Indisguise]

How will Poch ever be able to compete or play the tactics and game that he wants to unless he gets the players he wants and was supposedly promised (way too much smoke throughout the summer for that not to be at least partly true)?

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Nah you just can't let go of it, he has players as his disposal that he knows better than anyone yet the dross being served up at the moment you'd have thought we'd bought a whole new team.

Cling onto it all you want, it's gone.

Go for it. Keep claiming that not strengthening our weakest position hasn’t adversely affected Poch and the squad. Keep denying it, and by the same token maintain your position that anyone concerned by this is deluded and obsessive. It’s not as if multiple itk that have decent reputations on this site haven’t stated that Poch was privately unhappy, or that he didn’t refuse mediocre players on deadline day when it became clear Levy hadn’t secured his targets. And even if you disregard all that, there is so much at the moment that suggests issues at the club, from lacklustre performances to contract extension inactivity, to stadium delays. But that’s fine, keep trying to separate these factors, keep telling those of us whose concerns are, sadly, looking a little more rooted in reality than we actually feel comfortable with that we’re irrational and wrong and entitled. Doesn’t change the fact that Poch, our best manager in decades, doesn’t quite seem him self.
You might not notice that we could be right. But your brain does

 

[Shadydan]

@Shadydan do you now think it is a Pen?

Yes on 2nd viewing

 

[JayB]

Can we let go of the transfer window, it closed over a month ago, the football on the pitch with players games he knows inside out look like utter shite at the moment.

The two are inextricably linked. The midfield is shite and most of the rest of our players are completely fucked, and we have no solutions thanks to our ineptitude in the transfer market.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Any way same old usual faces with the doom and gloom who only turn up after a loss or a run of indifferent results.

Enjoy you miserable bunch of ****s, the opening of the new stadium (when it happens) will be something new for you to hang your hat on.

Even those who live in another country will probably have a dour view of it ... The joys of the internet.

Enjoy Inter.

The arrogance when things don’t quite right for you is astounding

 

[dickieven]

Pochettino in his post match apparently feels we competed in that game. We need to keep going, working hard and improve. He’s not worried. He’s so good. He’s happy. He is relaxed.

Anyone watching that interview can see there’s so much behind Poch’s words today. It’s obvious this team needs a rethink but his options are a bit limited aren’t they so all he can do is tow the company line.

We can’t bring in any players until Jan earliest (when of course we won’t) so it’s up to Poch to wise-up about a few things at least.

Kane is shot. Screw “he doesn’t need a rest”, how can he be the only person not to see it? A couple of games against Brighton and Huddersfield where Son and Moura lead the line can’t possibly hurt surely?

The midfield has become too complacent. He needs to shake it the fuck up. He can’t afford to drop Eriksen because we don’t have anyone to replace him but maybe Lamela and Wanyama need to start, Dier dropped and Alli needs to be reintroduced slowly from the bench so he realises he’s not undroppable.

Defensively we are woefully bad this season. Thanks to Verts and huge dollops of luck we’ve only conceded 5 goals but combine this with an impotent and slow reacting midfield and we are vulnerable. This is the same defence that conceded only 16-17 goals in the 2015/16 season but now the dynamic is different - Rose and Toby wanting out (forget what Toby said in the week it’s not true that he “always wanted to stay at Spurs”), Dier has been eyeing a move to a team where he can win things for a season now, Trippier off the back of a fantastic World Cup feeling similarly, and after we lose against Inter in the week, the teams above us start pulling away and our season starts looking like being over early who know who else will start feeling the same.

With the Prem and CL looking extraordinary unlikely this season that leaves the cups to salvage something out of this season - and we know how Poch feels about the cups. Hope like hell he’ll think differently because a 5th or 6th place finish this season and no silverware will mean many of our best players will be off next summer.

Troubling times fellas. Troubling times.

Is there a you are a knee jerking **** emoticon

 

[dtxspurs]

Any way same old usual faces with the doom and gloom who only turn up after a loss or a run of indifferent results.

Enjoy you miserable bunch of ****s, the opening of the new stadium (when it happens) will be something new for you to hang your hat on.

Even those who live in another country will probably have a dour view of it ... The joys of the internet.

Enjoy Inter.

So you are just completely happy watching Spurs on tv completely regardless of how they play on the field and won't say anything negative on them on a message board that gives fans the ability to voice their opinion?

Like it or not but Spurs need fans from "another country" like myself. Pretty damn ignorant.

 

[A.J.]

from the bbc taken from his sky interview

Mauricio Pochettino speaking to Sky Sports: "Liverpool were better. We competed, we were close, and the action at the end of the game was crazy and the challenge on Son at the end should have been a penalty. Then the result would have been different.
"Of course I am disappointed with the result but we must keep working and improving. Today was a competitive game you can win or you can lose. There are lots of games ahead.
"There are lots of things to assess and analyse - it's early in the season and this is a moment to be cool and calm. Is this a tough time? Listen, don't worry about me!"

Thing is, last season we dominated this game, this season we merely "competed".

Therein lies the tale of the off season.

 

[Indisguise]

We're not even looking like the "nearly" team this year.

 

[Gb160]

Yes on 2nd viewing

Normally id be really pissed off at not getting the pen....but I feel drawing might've masked what was a really shite performance.

 

[shelfboy68]

Poch is stubborn.

He's got a lot of pride and it harms him.

He's reluctant to admit he's wrong and will continue to try and force through his initial idea.

Eventually he concedes and does the right thing, but often it's too late for the situation.

I love the guy and thank god for him, but he needs to develop as well.

He's by no means the finished product as a manager, though sometimes it's apparent that he thinks he is.

I like him also but he has been managing long enough to stop keep making the same mistakes really getting annoying

 

[dagraham]

We're not even looking like the "nearly" team this year.

Well there’s a good chance we’ll be the “nearly in the top four” team though.