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dtxspurs

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7 out of our 11 starters were in World Cup semi final squads. Mentally, physically and emotionally a rollercoaster. Not exactly a baseless excuse. Vorm, Eriksen, Maura and Winks were the others in the team.

Poch and Levy are not going to waste millions on a player unless he can clearly improve the squad. Very few teams have genuinely improved their squad this summer.

Our two most direct competitors improved massively in Chelsea and Liverpool. How do you not see that?!
 

shelfboy68

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Our two most direct competitors improved massively in Chelsea and Liverpool. How do you not see that?!
He doesn't want to remember there was a lot of fans at the end of the farcical transfer window who stated quite clearly that we didn't need to strengthen as we was alright, that at the time was bollocks and still is the gamble was taken and has already blown up in the club's faces quicker than most expected.
 

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The last two performances showed us why not investing in the squad is going to be our downfall. It is not just a matter of new shiny toys for us all to play Football Manager with, the bigger issue is when the signs from upstairs are that we're happy to stay as we are, the players (and the coaches) may suffer from apathy.
This is such a key point. I run a business where we employ 150 professionals. Each year we recruit anything between 4 to 6 new talent. Not necessarily looking for an immediate impact by all. Around our office there’s a buzz, an intrigue, a genuine feeling that the business never stands still. We’re all excited about the new faces and characters because each are quite different and bring something new to the table and the general dynamic. I’m not Levy. I’m not running our beloved team. But the apathy is what happens. It’s stems from the top. The communication from Levy and Board is arrogant. And Poch is stuck in the middle.
 
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Which I'm sure will be this year can't see this team making top four absolutely no chance.
Funny thing is you were sure of us missing out at the end of last year. You'll get your wish sooner rather than later though.

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Except this year I have gone early with the prediction as to be fair it's an easy one for me to get right.
It's a fair one this year, that I won't argue, personally I'd rather we not finish outside of the top four.
 

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We have struggled in that past paying 3 cm even against lower league teams in the cups. WTF did we do it again today. too Much chopping and changing recently for liking.
 

Colonel_Klinck

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Simple - he's knackered. He rushed back from injury too quickly last season in pursuit of the Golden Boot, then he went to Russia and played in all but one of England's games and he's now played every league game and in both England's internationals last week. He's played 13 months straight. With his intensity that's now blunted his edge. He needs to be put on an extended break so he can recover properly and rediscover his edge. Hunger alone isn't enough.


I don’t disagree with this but what chance is there of Poch saying go and put your feet up for 3 weeks on the beach Harry? Sadly zero.
 

rez9000

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I don’t disagree with this but what chance is there of Poch saying go and put your feet up for 3 weeks on the beach Harry? Sadly zero.
I think it would be Kane himself that would refuse. Either way, you're right - there's little to no chance of it happening.
 

shelfboy68

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It's a fair one this year, that I won't argue, personally I'd rather we not finish outside of the top four.
Of course not but then I would like us to be like city,Chelsea and Liverpool and be title contenders but that will never happen so like I said previously I think fourth is the summit of our ambition under these owners sadly.
 

lukadownthelane

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I think it would be Kane himself that would refuse. Either way, you're right - there's little to no chance of it happening.
The problems not just Kane. Half the team are knackered. How can we send 1 or 2 for a break? It would ruin morale! Our problem is our squad and inability to rotate.
 

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Had to go out this morning so recorded the game to watch "live" later on. While I was out an alert came up on my phone giving me the score so only fast forwarded through the game to see the goals so at least saved 80 mins of my life.
From what I saw...Vorm poor for both goals, Lamela took his well and we should have had a penalty
 

Colonel_Klinck

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I think it would be Kane himself that would refuse. Either way, you're right - there's little to no chance of it happening.

Agree with regards to Kane. At that point an older or retired pro who has experienced burnout needs to take him aside. With all the monitoring they go though I would imagine there is a data guy who can show him he is a yard short and rest is the thing he needs. Or maybe the data isn’t showing that at all. To me he looks fucked though.
 

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I don’t disagree with this but what chance is there of Poch saying go and put your feet up for 3 weeks on the beach Harry? Sadly zero.
OK, then everyone shouldn't get on his back if he does let Kane have a break. Then again, a number of our players are knackered, not physically but mentally. Belgium and England had great chances to go to the finals and the comedown from that is affecting players. I'm not sure if being away from the game helps that. I think the best we have played has been when Kane was injured with a false 9. Lamela has played well since coming back and has provided much needed drive in the midfield. I'd have him and Son with Kane on the bench and Moura as the nominal forward. If we are going to play the likes of Trippier then have three at the back; Winks and Eriksen in the midfield.
 

rez9000

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The problems not just Kane. Half the team are knackered. How can we send 1 or 2 for a break? It would ruin morale! Our problem is our squad and inability to rotate.
Well, there's the fact that out of the squad, he's probably the only one who has played for an extended period since the beginning of last season. Every other players has had a where they've not played, and not just because of injury. The only time Harry hasn't played was when he was injured. The only other player who I think also qualifies would be Dele (could argue Hugo as well, but goalkeepers don't really suffer the same sort of intensity in a game as outfield players). Who else in the squad has played consistently week-in week-out when fit? Plus Harry rushed back from injury last season, of which I think he's still suffering the effects. Every player needs a break from time to time. It's not a new phenomenon and it's not novel practice to bench a player for a period to give him some recovery time. Morale isn't really a consideration as each player is different. But when exhaustion sets in, no matter the player, a good manager (or in this day and age, physio team in conjunction with a manager) will bench a player.

I think there's also an argument to be made for the fact that he is the main striker and that that responsibility isn't shared on a matchday basis. Whereas in every other position there's a relatively strong player who could step into the role, in Harry's case there isn't. His backup is Llorente who's pulled up very few trees in his season and a bit with us. That could well be part of an argument against giving him time off, but then if he's out of form and isn't delivering, what is there to lose?

That said, I certainly agree that we have a rotation problem. Our inactivity over the summer at the time looked to be a disappointment, but is now beginning to take on a catastrophic flavour.
 

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It was a penalty at the end but we obviously didn't deserve the draw; they should have been out of sight. I can't remember the last time when we made so many mistakes in possession and with our positional play. I'm just glad that wasn't the first game in the new stadium.

That's five games when we've been generally below par. I assume that we will start to play well at some point. I just hope it's soon, or the season may be over almost as soon as it's started.
 

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the mental fatigue is there and we just need to get through it....and as for those slagging off Poch, wash your bloomin mouth out. He has a squad with the most players playing in the WCSF, he can see they are knackered and is trying to shuffle and juggle them along. If Hugo had not got injured we'd probably have got away with draws the last two games....fine margins. We have played much better of course but its just a tough time.
IF Lamela, Wanyama and Winks can stay fit and get back into form it will give a big lift.
 

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rez9000

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The worst thing about that stonewall penalty not given is that the Scousers will all scream "payback" for the Anfield game last season despite all calls in that match being totally legit.
I'm thankful that I don't have contact with any Liverpool fans on a day-to-day basis, because they're going to be f****** insufferable at the moment.
 

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Pathetic performance today. Kane should have been pUlley at HT... dier makes some awful stupid mistakes. Rose can't cross for shit. We looked frightened from the start. Really pathetic. A loss midweek and things will turn very sour.
 
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