Tottenham Hotspur vs Rochdale - Match Thread

[Damian99]

Yes really, I didn't know all the wording but I have always known that you cannot stop and start again, it was a schoolboy error.

But you can lol - you just can't stop at the end of the run up pause and then take the kick, - it's clearly stated in the law it's permitted during the run up.


Feinting in the run-up to take a penalty kick to confuse opponents is permitted as part of football. However, feinting to kick the ball once the player has completed his run-up is considered an infringement of Law 14 and an act of unsporting behaviour for which the player must be cautioned.

The only school boy error i can see is the officials who clearly have no understanding of the actual law surrounding the taking of a penalty. Now if this is a grey area then that law needs to be rewritten.

 

[cider spurs]

Good win. Although certainly needs discussing, shame VAR is yet again the main focus of a match.

@Llorente...Should have got your haircut sooner lad.

 

[onthetwo]

The difference was Son came to a complete stop compared to the usual stutter step/slowing down that's 100% legal.

And thats worthy of a yellow now? Crikey

 

[Damian99]

And thats worthy of a yellow now? Crikey

Actually, no it's not worthy of anything and completely permitted according to the laws on penalty taking - What he cannot do is pause once his run up is complete, then take the kick, that is classed as "unsporting behaviour" for which he should be cautioned and the goal disallowed - But he had not completed his run up when he "paused" then continued and took the kick.

 

[Gb160]

This run up thing is gonna be the new 'did Lovren play Kane onside?' thing isn't it?

 

[spursfan77]

Poch’s full press conference. He’s right, VAR is going to kill games. It could be the end of the sport as we know it if we aren’t careful.

https://www.football.london/tottenh...y-word-14352176.amp?__twitter_impression=true

My feeling is difficult, ok I need to explain. I am so happy because the job is done and we're in the quarter-final. That was our objective, but the first half was a little bit embarrassing for everyone. I think it's difficult to keep focus on playing football. I am not sure that that system is going to help. I love the football as football was born. That is why we love the game that we know.


I think football, we are talking about emotion, the context of emotion. If we are going to kill the emotion then the fans, the people who love football, I don't think are so happy about what they saw today.

I think you, the fans and myself, we are all agreed, watching today's game, I think maybe it's so early for next season because we need to respect the fans. I think the fans who watch football are not so happy about this. Maybe it's for you the decision and I think you are going to kill that emotion that makes you feel happy and that is why you paid for the ticket and came to the game today when the conditions are so bad.

Ok maybe you are going to say I'll watch the game through the TV and stay at home, because if I cannot shout to celebrate the goal because you have to wait two minutes you cannot express yourself. But that is my opinion and I don't want the people going to attack me because they are going to defend it. I am for the new technology but be careful when you are going to change the game that we know very well. We are going to change and kill the emotion.

 

[ohtottenham!]

Yes really, I didn't know all the wording but I have always known that you cannot stop and start again, it was a schoolboy error.

Yep, I think the complete stop is the issue. You can feint, but can't come to a complete stationary positition, and then go again.

 

[Damian99]

Yep, I think the complete stop is the issue. You can feint, but can't come to a complete stationary positition, and then go again.

So what is the definition of the "feint" during the run up exactly ? It's clearly open to debate - It does not state in the law, apart from stopping once the run up is complete and then taking the kick. The law needs rewriting in that case to take away any doubt.

This is how it is worded - "Feinting in the run-up to take a penalty kick to confuse opponents is permitted as part of football. However, feinting to kick the ball once the player has completed his run-up is considered an infringement of Law 14 and an act of unsporting behaviour for which the player must be cautioned". No where is it worded - you cannot come to a complete "Stop" during the run up either, only at the end of it.

IMO Son didn't commit any infringement of that law last night, not according to how its worded anyway.

 

[WexfordTownSpur]

The difference was Son came to a complete stop compared to the usual stutter step/slowing down that's 100% legal.

Yes and I thought the punishment was a retake but yellow card and a free kick seems harsh?

 

[WexfordTownSpur]

So what is the definition of the "feint" during the run up exactly ? It's clearly open to debate - It does not state in the law, apart from stopping once the run up is complete and then taking the kick. The law needs rewriting in that case to take away any doubt.

This is how it is worded - "Feinting in the run-up to take a penalty kick to confuse opponents is permitted as part of football. However, feinting to kick the ball once the player has completed his run-up is considered an infringement of Law 14 and an act of unsporting behaviour for which the player must be cautioned". No where is it worded - you cannot come to a complete "Stop" during the run up either, only at the end of it.

IMO Son didn't commit any infringement of that law last night, not according to how its worded anyway.

And does it say that the punishment is a yellow card and free kick to the opposition?

 

[Dougal]

 

[mark87]

Yes and I thought the punishment was a retake but yellow card and a free kick seems harsh?

I think because coming to a complete stop is considered unsportsmanlike conduct the punishment should therefore be free kick and a booking.

 

[Damian99]

And does it say that the punishment is a yellow card and free kick to the opposition?

Yes for stopping at the "end" of the run up and then taking the kick, is "unsporting behaviour" Yellow card and disallowed goal - but that is not what Son did last night. Feinting (however you interpret that word) is permitted during the run up - Now nowhere does it say you cannot stop during the run up and to me that is classed as "feinting" ONLY that you cannot do it once the run up is complete - They totally misinterpreted that law last night and got it totally wrong imo

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Whichever way you look at it, feinting, stopping or whatever word you want to use, whatever he did was so bad that the encroaching players were almost in front of the ball by the time he kicked it

 

[tiger666]

No where is it worded - you cannot come to a complete "Stop" during the run up either, only at the end of it.

But he did come to a stop at the end of it. He didn't run up, stop, carry on running then take the kick. He ran up, stopped, then kicked. He didn't start running again after he stopped, therefore, it was at the end of his run up.

 

[UbeAstard]

Illegal feinting trumps everything. It doesn't matter if the penalty was scored or missed or if there was encroachment by one or both teams. The outcome is the same. A caution to the kick taker and an indirect free kick to the other team.

Where can I see this indicated in the rules?

 

[Luxspur]

But he did come to a stop at the end of it. He didn't run up, stop, carry on running then take the kick. He ran up, stopped, then kicked. He didn't start running again after he stopped, therefore, it was at the end of his run up.

But he did come to a stop at the end of it. He didn't run up, stop, carry on running then take the kick. He ran up, stopped, then kicked. He didn't start running again after he stopped, therefore, it was at the end of his run up.

He stopped at least one stride away from the ball and then took that stride before hitting the penalty, so technically he hadn't finished his run up when he stopped.

Sorry for double quote I stuttered in my run up to posting, yellow card to me and freekick to you tiger...

 

[mpickard2087]

I don't know why all the focus is on the penalty, the opening goal that got chalked off was incredible and is more concerning for me... How the fuck was that a foul? At best Llorente momentarily slightly touched the guy (before getting shirt-pulled, kicked across the shins, and then winning a tackle cleanly), at worst they made up their own interpretation of the events. That is going to be ruining football if that's to be the standard for goals being chalked off. Absolute nonsense.

 

[tiger666]

I don't know why all the focus is on the penalty, the opening goal that got chalked off was incredible and is more concerning for me... How the fuck was that a foul? At best Llorente momentarily slightly touched the guy

It was a bit more than that. Llorente had hold of his shirt.

 

[Luxspur]

I don't know why all the focus is on the penalty, the opening goal that got chalked off was incredible and is more concerning for me... How the fuck was that a foul? At best Llorente momentarily slightly touched the guy (before getting shirt-pulled, kicked across the shins, and then winning a tackle cleanly), at worst they made up their own interpretation of the events. That is going to be ruining football if that's to be the standard for goals being chalked off. Absolute nonsense.

Going back for the Moura penalty decision after allowing them a counter attack, then getting the decision wrong, when he was blatantly body checked when going through was pretty poor too.