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Tottenham Hotspur vs Rochdale - Match Thread

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If you can stutter step on a free kick why can't you stutter step on a penalty?
If the keeper can hesitate to dive on a penalty why can't the take hesitate to kick it?
Stutter to your heart is content. Just don't come to a complete standstill and start again.
 

WexfordTownSpur

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Yes for stopping at the "end" of the run up and then taking the kick, is "unsporting behaviour" Yellow card and disallowed goal - but that is not what Son did last night. Feinting (however you interpret that word) is permitted during the run up - Now nowhere does it say you cannot stop during the run up and to me that is classed as "feinting" ONLY that you cannot do it once the run up is complete - They totally misinterpreted that law last night and got it totally wrong imo
But he did stop? He took a run up, came to a complete stop ( like at least for a second had no forward motion) then he feinted and waited for the goalkeeper to move and then slotted the ball in the net! I guess the point that there were so many players (spurs and Rochdale) so far in the box, like 4/5 yards and like 6 of them kind of shows how long Son took to take the kick. So I think if those are the rules they got it right. First goal though is horseshit no way Llorente fouls anyone if anything it was the defender who had hold of his shirt. And as for the penalty I always thought the free kick was given from where the incident or foul first takes place, which was outside the box for me. The fact that he managed to stay on his feet until he makes it into the box doesn’t make it a pen for me. Anyway still means we should have had one extra goal at the end of the day! So VAR screwed up!
 

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But he did stop? He took a run up, came to a complete stop ( like at least for a second had no forward motion) then he feinted and waited for the goalkeeper to move and then slotted the ball in the net! I guess the point that there were so many players (spurs and Rochdale) so far in the box, like 4/5 yards and like 6 of them kind of shows how long Son took to take the kick. So I think if those are the rules they got it right. First goal though is horseshit no way Llorente fouls anyone if anything it was the defender who had hold of his shirt. And as for the penalty I always thought the free kick was given from where the incident or foul first takes place, which was outside the box for me. The fact that he managed to stay on his feet until he makes it into the box doesn’t make it a pen for me. Anyway still means we should have had one extra goal at the end of the day! So VAR screwed up!

I was watching with the sound off and wondered if he disallowed it for offside there were so many players so far into the area.

I was more concerned that when he cautioned Lamella it looked as he reviewed it to see if it was a red card offence. I like the idea of VAR but this ref took it to a whole new level. In my opinion he lost confidence in his own ability to make a decision and stick to it.

Two incidents without VAR Lamella's goal would have stood and Son's penalty would have bee a free kick and even with VAR that should still have been the case.
 

Damian99

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But he did stop? He took a run up, came to a complete stop ( like at least for a second had no forward motion) then he feinted and waited for the goalkeeper to move and then slotted the ball in the net! I guess the point that there were so many players (spurs and Rochdale) so far in the box, like 4/5 yards and like 6 of them kind of shows how long Son took to take the kick. So I think if those are the rules they got it right. First goal though is horseshit no way Llorente fouls anyone if anything it was the defender who had hold of his shirt. And as for the penalty I always thought the free kick was given from where the incident or foul first takes place, which was outside the box for me. The fact that he managed to stay on his feet until he makes it into the box doesn’t make it a pen for me. Anyway still means we should have had one extra goal at the end of the day! So VAR screwed up!

This whole VAR thing is a farce - If the Ref is unsure if a goal is offside or a foul has been committed in the build up, or whatever. Then "he" should be the one who goes to take a look at any video replay of the incident - Not someone else making that decision for him, it should be him and him only who needs to check, if he feels uncertain to start with.
 

Damian99

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Stutter to your heart is content. Just don't come to a complete standstill and start again.

But it's not written in the law you cannot come to a complete stand still during the run up - hell it doesn't say you even have to take a run up or even run, nothing to say you can't walk up to the ball. What exactly is "stuttering" during a run up anyway lol??

If you stop once the run in complete (which technically Son was still short of the ball when he did stop) then feint to take the kick, that is a bookable offence and the goal disallowed.
 

sebo_sek

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This whole VAR thing is a farce - If the Ref is unsure if a goal is offside or a foul has been committed in the build up, or whatever. Then "he" should be the one who goes to take a look at any video replay of the incident - Not someone else making that decision for him, it should be him and him only who needs to check, if he feels uncertain to start with.
That's how refs do it in Poland. They take a look themselves. And still it's just about 50/50 with correct decisions.
 

Damian99

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That's how refs do it in Poland. They take a look themselves. And still it's just about 50/50 with correct decisions.

There will always be incorrect decisions certainly on fouls/penalties as the decision will still arrive from an individuals opinion and we won't ever all share the same one.
 

Gilzeanking

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It's a completely unnecessary grey area. Just ban all kinds of stutters and feints in run ups and everyone knows where they stand.

Or the opposite . Keepers regularly violate the rules about their movement before the kick . To include stutters/feints in the run up keeps this constant violation in check . What on earth is wrong with being free to do whatever run up a penalty taker chooses ?

This whole issue has been taken over by members of the Keepers union . BAH !
 

WexfordTownSpur

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This whole VAR thing is a farce - If the Ref is unsure if a goal is offside or a foul has been committed in the build up, or whatever. Then "he" should be the one who goes to take a look at any video replay of the incident - Not someone else making that decision for him, it should be him and him only who needs to check, if he feels uncertain to start with.
I guess he needs someone else at the controls etc who can set up and work with the VAR system in real time. Can you imagine how long it would take if the ref does it. He should have at least looked at the screen provided pitch side on the night. As you say he basically handed over the decision to the video ref!
 

WexfordTownSpur

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I was watching with the sound off and wondered if he disallowed it for offside there were so many players so far into the area.

I was more concerned that when he cautioned Lamella it looked as he reviewed it to see if it was a red card offence. I like the idea of VAR but this ref took it to a whole new level. In my opinion he lost confidence in his own ability to make a decision and stick to it.

Two incidents without VAR Lamella's goal would have stood and Son's penalty would have bee a free kick and even with VAR that should still have been the case.
I assume you meant Llorente? In that case yes I agree. A goal stands and a free kick not penalty!
 

mawspurs

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There will always be incorrect decisions certainly on fouls/penalties as the decision will still arrive from an individuals opinion and we won't ever all share the same one.

Exactly, that's what makes VAR a farce, it just transfers the decision from the ref's opinion to an assistant watching the video's opinion. Both of them can make mistakes so you may as well just stick with the ref in the first place.
 

WexfordTownSpur

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Exactly, that's what makes VAR a farce, it just transfers the decision from the ref's opinion to an assistant watching the video's opinion. Both of them can make mistakes so you may as well just stick with the ref in the first place.
To be honest I think they were just trying to get closer to what the punter on the couch sees at home on sky. With the benefit of super slo mo and 6 close up angles we can often see the ref has made a mistake but what do we say, well it would be difficult for the ref in real time so we will let him off. VAR is supposed to give him/then just that. If we are fair I think they will get more right than wrong with VAR. it’s just the time they need to get down. Also show it on the big screen in the stadium so everyone knows what’s going on. Again like the punter at home on the couch. It’s here to stay now, just needs to be fine tuned!
 
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