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Tottenham may share their new ground with the Oakland Raiders NFL for 2019 season

mawspurs

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Tottenham are in talks with the Oakland Raiders over a ground share for a full eight-game NFL home season next year.

Source: Daily Mail
 

Donki

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As long as that translates into summer spending...shinehead...great.

Can only be a good thing if it happens, would raise our profile massively in America. The Raiders are horsehit though.
 

jimimecca

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Huge opportunity to showcase the Stadium if it does happen. If we could attract a Franchise full-time it would be huge. Even the small Franchises have a value of around 2 Billion.
 

LexingtonSpurs

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Huge opportunity to showcase the Stadium if it does happen. If we could attract a Franchise full-time it would be huge. Even the small Franchises have a value of around 2 Billion.
Spurs are not buying an NFL team. It does not matter what an NFL team is "worth".

HTH
 

LexingtonSpurs

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would raise our profile massively in America.
It really won't.

There is not a lot of cross-over among NFL fans and EPL fans. In fact, the typical NFL fan looks down on soccer, and would not be the slightest bit interested in following an English football team, and buying Spurs gear. When Raiders fans watch the team - they won't care who else shares the stadium. (I am actually not sure how many Raider fans will even watch - they are leaving Oakland, but will still have some diehard fans there, but not really many new fans in Vegas yet).

What it does is provide another revenue stream to pay off the stadium. It provides another reason for someone to buy the naming rights to the stadium. It provides concession revenue. It provides revenue in the Team Store.

Spurs profile in America will rise and fall with the success of Spurs. Having players like Kane and Dele raises the profile of Spurs much more than the stadium will.
 

fortworthspur

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I doubt it will happen. I dont see how it would generate enough money for the NFL to get enough owners to agree to it.
 

LexingtonSpurs

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I doubt it will happen. I dont see how it would generate enough money for the NFL to get enough owners to agree to it.
I can see the NFL trying it. Not sure how they get the players to sign-off, but it would not be impossible since they couch it as a 1-year deal, so nothing permanent.

Then if it goes well, the NFL has a little leverage in terms of pushing for a full-time team at some later date. If it goes poorly, they figure out why, and see if its correctable.
 

ohtottenham!

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It really won't.

There is not a lot of cross-over among NFL fans and EPL fans. In fact, the typical NFL fan looks down on soccer, and would not be the slightest bit interested in following an English football team, and buying Spurs gear. When Raiders fans watch the team - they won't care who else shares the stadium. (I am actually not sure how many Raider fans will even watch - they are leaving Oakland, but will still have some diehard fans there, but not really many new fans in Vegas yet).

What it does is provide another revenue stream to pay off the stadium. It provides another reason for someone to buy the naming rights to the stadium. It provides concession revenue. It provides revenue in the Team Store.

Spurs profile in America will rise and fall with the success of Spurs. Having players like Kane and Dele raises the profile of Spurs much more than the stadium will.
It's not just about the Oakland-based fans. The Raiders have a huge fan base in LA and across Southern California. There are more LA-based Raiders fans than Rams fans - outsold them in merchandising last year in LA, also beat them in TV ratings in the LA market for game broadcasts. Think they'll do ok in Vegas with their diaspora of support.

The Raiders also have a big African American fan base, and more critically, as far as crossover interest in "real" football is concerned, a large Latino fan base, which could help raise interest and the profile of Spurs if this tie up even happens.
 

ohtottenham!

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They'll remain in the bay area whether in SF or Oakland
You don't know that, YS. Sonics will never move from Seattle, next thing we know it's OKC Thunder and they win the Western Conference and they're in the NBA Finals. And they're a sustainable franchise in Oklahoma FFS!

The Raiders are far bigger in terms of support across the country, and the brand is "the Raiders", not so much the "Oakland" Raiders among fans here in LA. They were even based here for a few years around 25 years ago.
 

yankspurs

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You don't know that, YS. Sonics will never move from Seattle, next thing we know it's OKC Thunder and they win the Western Conference and they're in the NBA Finals. And they're a sustainable franchise in Oklahoma FFS!

The Raiders are far bigger in terms of support across the country, and the brand is "the Raiders", not so much the "Oakland" Raiders among fans here in LA. They were even based here for a few years around 25 years ago.
There wont be a 3rd team in LA even if it is temporary. LA cant even support 2 teams. Now you want to bring a 3rd into the mix?

OKC has a franchise because the market was already tested by New Orleans after Katrina and it was succesful.
 

ohtottenham!

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There wont be a 3rd team in LA even if it is temporary. LA cant even support 2 teams. Now you want to bring a 3rd into the mix?
I'm not saying they're coming to LA. Too late for that, they should have; probably other corporate interests got in the way of that, because that would have been the natural fan base for the the Raiders. I'm saying that Vegas will still probably work for the Raiders. A lot of places would. It ain't all about Oakland or SF with the Raiders. Anything but!

A friend was at a SD Chargers Raiders game in San Diego a few months back, said it was swamped with Raiders fans, locals in the main, said it was like a home game for the Raiders. A huge diaspora of support, a very relocatable franchise, and if I could choose any NFL team to have a tie up with Spurs, the Raiders would be right up there.
 

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It's not just about the Oakland-based fans. The Raiders have a huge fan base in LA and across Southern California. There are more LA-based Raiders fans than Rams fans - outsold them in merchandising last year in LA, also beat them in TV ratings in the LA market for game broadcasts. Think they'll do ok in Vegas with their diaspora of support.

The Raiders also have a big African American fan base, and more critically, as far as crossover interest in "real" football is concerned, a large Latino fan base, which could help raise interest and the profile of Spurs if this tie up even happens.

Exactly. The Raiders merchandising operation is massive. It helps that prime rappers all wore the caps, and they have a cool badge. A Raiders cap is like wearing a Public Enemy cap

No one in LA cares, sure. As it says on the intro to Baseketball: “The Raiders moved from
Oakland to LA and back again, and no one really noticed”. LA is not an NFL city.

It’s like how the Lakers still sell tonnes of merch and non NBA types think they’re good even tho they’re not and haven’t made a final in eight years. Or how the Knicks regularly play in London yet haven’t made the playoffs in 7 years, I’m not sure we’re a very discerning audience.

Like Jacksonville been playing in London for 6 years and qualified for the playoffs for the first time in a decade last season.

Think Raiders would be a decent pull in London tho. I’d go, watch a game, buy some merch. The Miami Dolphins are shit but if they ever wanted to move to London they’d clear up
 

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My big concern about this would be the pitch. Can some one who follows stadium stuff closely explain. Will it hold up better than wembley?
 

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The NFL games don't play on 'our' football pitch at all, but on the NFL pitch which is underneath.
 

LexingtonSpurs

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I'm not saying they're coming to LA. Too late for that, they should have; probably other corporate interests got in the way of that, because that would have been the natural fan base for the the Raiders. I'm saying that Vegas will still probably work for the Raiders. A lot of places would. It ain't all about Oakland or SF with the Raiders. Anything but!

A friend was at a SD Chargers Raiders game in San Diego a few months back, said it was swamped with Raiders fans, locals in the main, said it was like a home game for the Raiders. A huge diaspora of support, a very relocatable franchise, and if I could choose any NFL team to have a tie up with Spurs, the Raiders would be right up there.
The Raiders are the antithesis of Spurs. The reason they are popular among Latino and Black gangs, is because the Raiders cultivate their outlaw image. They have done so since the 70s, when they were in Oakland, and they kept that up during the years they moved to Los Angeles, and still when they moved back to Oakland. Even the move to Las Vegas has a bit of taboo about it, as Sin City.

Raiders primary color is black. Spurs are white. They really could not be more opposite if they tried.

If the Raiders spend a year in London, the WHL Kop will be known as the Black Hole for Raiders games. There will not be a lot of Raider fans rushing out to buy Spurs gear, unless Spurs release an all-black 3rd kit.


And, as for Latino fans - the number 1 watched soccer league in the US is not EPL; it's not MLS, it is Liga MX - by a substantial margin, despite being shown only on a Spanish-speaking network.
 

ohtottenham!

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The Raiders are the antithesis of Spurs. The reason they are popular among Latino and Black gangs, is because the Raiders cultivate their outlaw image. They have done so since the 70s, when they were in Oakland, and they kept that up during the years they moved to Los Angeles, and still when they moved back to Oakland. Even the move to Las Vegas has a bit of taboo about it, as Sin City.

Raiders primary color is black. Spurs are white. They really could not be more opposite if they tried.

If the Raiders spend a year in London, the WHL Kop will be known as the Black Hole for Raiders games. There will not be a lot of Raider fans rushing out to buy Spurs gear, unless Spurs release an all-black 3rd kit.


And, as for Latino fans - the number 1 watched soccer league in the US is not EPL; it's not MLS, it is Liga MX - by a substantial margin, despite being shown only on a Spanish-speaking network.
It's not just Black and Latino gangs among whom they have popularity; they're popular among the general population within both demographic groups. You're overstating the bad boy stuff; they're not the devil incarnate!

As for Latino soccer fans, La Liga is the most popular league, but there is a lot of interest in the PL too. Most have a favourite PL club as well as being either Real or Barca fans. Unfortunately, their PL faves are generally Man U, Liverpool, Chels or City, but that could change with the success of other clubs, including us. I know a lot of Latino soccer fans here personally, have even converted a few to follow Tottenham.
 

Japhet

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Americans don't seem to have any issue with teams upping sticks and moving hundreds of miles away, but the other side of the pond seems a bit extreme. I assumed that we would host the odd NFL game here and there but I don't really see how hosting Raiders games for a season works for either side. Still, what do I know?
 
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