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Tottenham table £35.9m bid for Marcelo Brozovic

shelfboy68

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I get there is a bigger picture stadium finances etc and clearly levy has taken a gamble on not backing his manager and so taking the risk on academy prospects which we all hope works out.
Like I have already said my sights are a lot lower for this season that's for sure seeing as we could not even land a championship player, and I will take my grandchildren to some games and enjoy the new stadium but I will be a bit envious of seeing city, Liverpool possibly Utd battle out top spots.
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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I personally think that we have a lot to thank Dan Levy for.

I said it on some other thread but what amazing amazing work from him -http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/new-scheme/

From the dark days of the 90s where a fancy dribble or clever pass would be what we would consider highlights of a game in a dingy stadium that we, an ageing mismanaged team, more often than not lost - to these days. A world class training facility with a top youth team and a world class stadium all cleverly financed and integrated with local community development and initiatives. A coach fully tuned into the clubs objectives - particularly youth development. A team that has consistently finished 6 and above. A salute of gratitude and respect Mr. Levy from a fan who has seen the dark days. A top astute business leader in a very volatile industry. Always has us punching well above our weight.

Watch the video mate. Don’t just post intuitive emoticons. Our business in a truncated transfer window where every team is struggling - including Man United - is not a fair reflection of his ability as a football business leader.


You mean the dark days of the 90's when we won the FA Cup and league cup?
We won more in the dark days of the 90's under Sugar than we have in almost 20 years of poxy penny pinching daniel levy.
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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Please watch the video before responding. It’s not Bellamy who is offering most of the opinion. Watch from 3:50.
how about I watch it in a year when Kane staying for 1 last season before his £250m move to Madrid happens.
Then the great Daniel Levy can use that £250m to finally get Jack Grealish.

It's an opinion piece made BEFORE a ball is kicked. Talk about whether it was the best "signing" of the summer when the season is finished.
 

shelfboy68

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You mean the dark days of the 90's when we won the FA Cup and league cup?
We won more in the dark days of the 90's under Sugar than we have in almost 20 years of poxy penny pinching daniel levy.
True but we were always lower to mid table at best where as in recent years we have become a top six side and stayed there consistently but yes I agree trophy wise strangely it was a better return.
 

rupsmith

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You mean the dark days of the 90's when we won the FA Cup and league cup?
We won more in the dark days of the 90's under Sugar than we have in almost 20 years of poxy penny pinching daniel levy.

Well sir I guess we must agree to disagree. I so much more prefer to watch us challenging for top positions, playing the top clubs in Europe, attracting some of the best players in the world and financially being managed in a prudent, profitable way. Compared to when we won an odd cup in an age when football was nowhere as cash rich as it is now - with the rich teams winning all the trophies - and teams could occasionally go on a luck run and win some minor trophy that wasrelatively meaningless in the overall context of development.
 

Sweetsman

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No. We just lodge derisory tentative offers and hope for the best. I have no doubt there's some truth to the initial Grealish bid being 3m and Onomah. We're what is best known in corporate parlance as timewasters. Timewasters get short shrift.
I don't think Levy's a fraud, but sometimes he's too smug for his own good and seems to believe in the hype. Onomah plus 3 million? Did he have no idea that there were potential buyers of the club? This is what I meant by getting caught with his pants down. The only good thing from this window is that we can sell our wantaway players abroad and not to premiership rivals. Maybe, Poch was surprised at how well some development players performed.
 

rupsmith

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Well sir I guess we must agree to disagree. I so much more prefer to watch us challenging for top positions, playing the top clubs in Europe, attracting some of the best players in the world and financially being managed in a prudent, profitable way. Compared to when we won an odd cup in an age when football was nowhere as cash rich as it is now - with the rich teams winning all the trophies - and teams could occasionally go on a lucky run and win some minor trophy that was relatively meaningless in the overall context of the development of the club.
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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True but we were always lower to mid table at best where as in recent years we have become a top six side and stayed there consistently but yes I agree trophy wise strangely it was a better return.

People neglect to mention though that we have won a single league cup since Enic purchased us in 2001
17 years and one mickey mouse cup. In those years we've also seen some horrendous decisions made. Replacing Jol with Ramos stands out as one of the darkest points in my time as a Spurs fan. Jol had his faults but Ramos would have taken us down had he stayed. How the f he's the one that won that cup is beyond me, but it also proves our one and old cup win in Enic's tenure was pure luck.

The stadium is great, but we're not the first team to do it, some have done it in the time Enic have been in charge, quicker and more efficiently. The scum built theirs, financed it, paid it off and now are seeing the profits from it - that's all been done in the time Enic have been at Spurs.

Their success is getting greatly over exaggerated I feel.
 

shelfboy68

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Well sir I guess we must agree to disagree. I so much more prefer to watch us challenging for top positions, playing the top clubs in Europe, attracting some of the best players in the world and financially being managed in a prudent, profitable way. Compared to when we won an odd cup in an age when football was nowhere as cash rich as it is now - with the rich teams winning all the trophies - and teams could occasionally go on a luck run and win some minor trophy that wasrelatively meaningless in the overall context of development.
I hear you and agree with some of this but try telling many clubs who won the cup over the years it was meaningless every fam dreams of a day out at Wembley and winning a trophy.
 

shelfboy68

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People neglect to mention though that we have won a single league cup since Enic purchased us in 2001
17 years and one mickey mouse cup. In those years we've also seen some horrendous decisions made. Replacing Jol with Ramos stands out as one of the darkest points in my time as a Spurs fan. Jol had his faults but Ramos would have taken us down had he stayed. How the f he's the one that won that cup is beyond me, but it also proves our one and old cup win in Enic's tenure was pure luck.

The stadium is great, but we're not the first team to do it, some have done it in the time Enic have been in charge, quicker and more efficiently. The scum built theirs, financed it, paid it off and now are seeing the profits from it - that's all been done in the time Enic have been at Spurs.

Their success is getting greatly over exaggerated I feel.
Maybe enics success is yet to come I can't say but certainly cannot see any success in the near future.
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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Well sir I guess we must agree to disagree. I so much more prefer to watch us challenging for top positions, playing the top clubs in Europe, attracting some of the best players in the world and financially being managed in a prudent, profitable way. Compared to when we won an odd cup in an age when football was nowhere as cash rich as it is now - with the rich teams winning all the trophies - and teams could occasionally go on a luck run and win some minor trophy that wasrelatively meaningless in the overall context of development.

BUT WE WONT ANY MORE.
We're going to easily be pushed out of the top 4 this season, may be even the top 6.
And when that happens next season will be worse.

People think we haven't got worse - but we haven't improved whereas every one else has.
 

rupsmith

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I hear you and agree with some of this but try telling many clubs who won the cup over the years it was meaningless every fam dreams of a day out at Wembley and winning a trophy.

Im not disagreeing. I personally fell in love with us when Gazza scored that free kick in the semi final in 91 and then the Linekar miss, the Paul Stewart goal, the Des Walker own goal. I remember it like it was yesterday. But things have evolved. The kids these days will remember the day we beat Madrid at Wembley, Chelsea at the Bridge, the number of players who made the England squad. Things have changed.
 

shelfboy68

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Im not disagreeing. I personally fell in love with us when Gazza scored that free kick in the semi final in 91 and then the Linekar miss, the Paul Stewart goal, the Des Walker own goal. I remember it like it was yesterday. But things have evolved. The kids these days will remember the day we beat Madrid at Wembley, Chelsea at the Bridge, the number of players who made the England squad. Things have changed.
Of course they have I was there too when Gazza scored but looking at this window have we been caught with our pants down with clubs wise to our all too familiar policy or am I wrong who knows.
 

rupsmith

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BUT WE WONT ANY MORE.
We're going to easily be pushed out of the top 4 this season, may be even the top 6.
And when that happens next season will be worse.

People think we haven't got worse - but we haven't improved whereas every one else has.

Well Liverpool certainly have and City will win every trophy. But United are looking shaky, Chelsea as well generally not in a positive place, Arsenal have not signed anyone great and will take time to transition under the new guy. We have a settled positive team with everyone happy with great contracts including management. So why so negative. I would certainly rather be a Spurs fan than a United or Chelsea or even Arsenal fan at this point in time.
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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Im not disagreeing. I personally fell in love with us when Gazza scored that free kick in the semi final in 91 and then the Linekar miss, the Paul Stewart goal, the Des Walker own goal. I remember it like it was yesterday. But things have evolved. The kids these days will remember the day we beat Madrid at Wembley, Chelsea at the Bridge, the number of players who made the England squad. Things have changed.
Those will be a distant memory in 2 years.

We'll be lucky to play Young Boys in front of 20k fans by 2019/2020 and will get the joys of losing at home to West Ham regularly again.
 

davidmatzdorf

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Toys. Pram.

Same set of clichéd, repetitive arguments, same tantrums.

Happens every year at this time. And then we go off and do what we do, which is to improve, slowly and not always linearly or season-by-season.

We will have issues with fatigue and fitness this season, I strongly suspect. But I'm not aware of a single player we have negotiated for whom we actually need, in a "must fill that hole" kind of way.

If we were watching imminent high-priced deals collapse, that would be one thing. But it appears that we've mainly walked away from everything we've considered, except Jack Grealish, where the selling club refused to deal. That wouldn't be Levy "refusing to support" Pochettino. They don't have that kind of relationship, unlike previous managers. That would be Pochettino saying "try and sign [player], but don't bust a gut, because we already have players who can step in or step up".

But I also say the same things every year. Major transfers aren't really very important for a team in our position in the hierarchy. If we can get a player with the profile of Davinson Sanchez, go for it, pay £40m. But if not, forget it. And don't buy expensive established stars, ever - they don't meet our needs or the club culture.

I'm expecting more of a struggle this season. But it will have fuck-all to do with the incoming transfers that didn't happen.

On the other hand, if we do well, then it will have everything to do with the really important transfer business we didn't do this summer, the deals that everyone was expecting us to do. Kane, Alli, Pochettino, Alderweireld, Lloris (!), Rose, Trippier (!), Dembélé and Eriksen were all rumoured to be on their way out. All still here. That's a lot more important than signing Jack Grealish.
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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Toys. Pram.

Same set of clichéd, repetitive arguments, same tantrums.

Happens every year at this time. And then we go off and do what we do, which is to improve, slowly and not always linearly or season-by-season.

We will have issues with fatigue and fitness this season, I strongly suspect. But I'm not aware of a single player we have negotiated for whom we actually need, in a "must fill that hole" kind of way.


We need more pace. Not signed any.

If we were watching imminent high-priced deals collapse, that would be one thing. But it appears that we've mainly walked away from everything we've considered, except Jack Grealish, where the selling club refused to deal. That wouldn't be Levy "refusing to support" Pochettino. They don't have that kind of relationship, unlike previous managers. That would be Pochettino saying "try and sign [player], but don't bust a gut, because we already have players who can step in or step up".

But I also say the same things every year. Major transfers aren't really very important for a team in our position in the hierarchy. If we can get a player with the profile of Davinson Sanchez, go for it, pay £40m. But if not, forget it. And don't buy expensive established stars, ever - they don't meet our needs or the club culture.

I'm expecting more of a struggle this season. But it will have fuck-all to do with the incoming transfers that didn't happen.

Why would we do well last season and not this if we're the club who didn't strengthen/add?


On the other hand, if we do well, then it will have everything to do with the really important transfer business we didn't do this summer, the deals that everyone was expecting us to do. Kane, Alli, Pochettino, Alderweireld, Lloris (!), Rose, Trippier (!), Dembélé and Eriksen were all rumoured to be on their way out. All still here. That's a lot more important than signing Jack Grealish.

You're a clever bloke - but you seem to have your head in the clouds today.
 

Bilko

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Can we compare past seasons with now?-some surprisingly negative comparisons with past seasons- before every team had a wad of cash to spend; let alone 5 teams with obscene wage structures above us.
The lower tier strugglers are going to be closer this season, and we may have to endure some painful rubbish from the press-but if we can look beyond our noses it's possible to enjoy our approach
Anyway- two more summers like this one and football will be less important to the planet
 

Bilko

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Sorry about negativity of last comment but thought I'd outdo some of the miserable gits on here
 
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