Tottenham Vs Chelsea: Capital One Final Match Thread

[markiespurs]

Just back from the game and despite the result, I'm still optimistic about the future, our young players and manager should benefit massively from the experience of today.

Thought the ref was poor today and fell for a lot of Chelsea's dark arts and Maureen's mind games.

Anyone able to clear something up for me please? Was it a free kick that led to the first goal. I was sitting right behind the linesman and from what I could see both our player and theirs were back peddling after a high ball when the Chelsea player lost his balance and went over, with our player nowhere near him, or was there contact?

 

[millsey]

Really proud if our boys. Everything I want in a team and we will learn and grow from this. A few ins this summer(attacking options and a special player a must) and I really think we will have a team to be proud of

 

[npearl4spurs]

Just back from the game and despite the result, I'm still optimistic about the future, our young players and manager should benefit massively from the experience of today.

Thought the ref was poor today and fell for a lot of Chelsea's dark arts and Maureen's mind games.

Anyone able to clear something up for me please? Was it a free kick that led to the first goal. I was sitting right behind the linesman and from what I could see both our player and theirs were back peddling after a high ball when the Chelsea player lost his balance and went over, with our player nowhere near him, or was there contact?

Chadli grabbed the arm of Azpilicueta and he fell over like a house of cards in a hurricane.

 

[mrlilywhite]

Spot on its About getting results and they fo it better than anyone their manager is top class in doing that, i would have accepted that all day long to win.

But it's also about doing it in the right way. Chelsea won because of the system they adopted to stifle us, not because of free flowing superiority. I take great pride in the traditions that we have established in how to play football that is easy on the eye. Granted for the past few years we have failed to live upto the traditions that is symbolic with our club, but not so long ago we had it, and if it had been managed better, we might still be reaping the rewards now.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Just back from the game and despite the result, I'm still optimistic about the future, our young players and manager should benefit massively from the experience of today.

Thought the ref was poor today and fell for a lot of Chelsea's dark arts and Maureen's mind games.

Anyone able to clear something up for me please? Was it a free kick that led to the first goal. I was sitting right behind the linesman and from what I could see both our player and theirs were back peddling after a high ball when the Chelsea player lost his balance and went over, with our player nowhere near him, or was there contact?

Yeah it was pretty daft from Chadli. Ball dropped over his head and as Ivanovic controlled it Chadli grabbed his arm and pulled him back.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Don't know what was shown on TV but I liked how some players didn't even stay around to collect their medals.

Obviously it was nice for Kane, Eriksen and Chadli to stick around and applaud the fans but Bentaleb was just straight down the tunnel as soon as the whistle went. Obviously hates losing and will only make him more determined next time

Poch made the players come out of the changing room and go back onto the pitch. He said on the BBC (words to the effect) that the team must respect the occasion, sponsors and tradition as well as feel the hurt.

 

[prawnsandwich]

Chadli grabbed the arm of Azpilicueta and he fell over like a house of cards in a hurricane.

And that won them the game.
On MOTD last night Vokes boasts about not going down easy. Shearer and Gullit agree he is a mug.

 

[prawnsandwich]

Poch made the players come out of the changing room and go back onto the pitch. He said on the BBC (words to the effect) that the team must respect the occasion, sponsors and tradition as well as feel the hurt.

I am sure I am not alone by switching off when the game finished. What happened?

 

[muppetman]

Just got home and regardless of the result it was a great day. We need to get to Wembley more often.

 

[mpickard2087]

Yeah it was pretty daft from Chadli. Ball dropped over his head and as Ivanovic controlled it Chadli grabbed his arm and pulled him back.

Yep it was definitely a free kick. Chadli also had a look over his shoulder for Ivanovic before promptly reaching out and grabbing for him.

 

[Phil-spur99]

I understand the point you are making however I think these are different points.

Whilst his price tag is not his fault, others supposedly being accountable for that, it is not a reason for him to be in the team (neither is the fact a player is homegrown like Townsend). Everyone is judged on performances and Lamela's and Townsends, irrespective of price, have not been good enough for a team with our objectives. I don't think either are developing as we all hoped they would.

I don't think that anyone thinks that a Kane or Benteleb is a guarantee of success (we all remember Neil Fenn, Rohnan Ricketts and Alton Thelwell to name a few). The fact is we know what Lamela and Townsend are capable of, Where these aren't good enough then we should not be afraid to throw in the Yedlin's, Pritchard's, Winks etc. I don't think Lamela and Townsend have set the bar for improvement high.

I think there needs to be a mix of bringing through young talent and integrating these with fewer, quality signings in key positions, the spine of the team. I still think one of the most important signings is a replacement for Modric which will take more strain off CE. We also need to look at the wide players, if we play 4231 then the two wide players need to create, assist and score more than ours do. Their return compared to our rivals is embarrassing, which is why we are (unrealistically) looking at Depay.

 

[THFC 1882]

Ledley King ‏@LedleyKing 21 min
Proud of my Club today. Support fantastic as always and lads battled bravely against a v good side. Young team will learn from experience

 

[mrlilywhite]

I understand the point you are making however I think these are different points.

Whilst his price tag is not his fault, others supposedly being accountable for that, it is not a reason for him to be in the team (neither is the fact a player is homegrown like Townsend). Everyone is judged on performances and Lamela's and Townsends, irrespective of price, have not been good enough for a team with our objectives. I don't think either are developing as we all hoped they would.

I don't think that anyone thinks that a Kane or Benteleb is a guarantee of success (we all remember Neil Fenn, Rohnan Ricketts and Alton Thelwell to name a few). The fact is we know what Lamela and Townsend are capable of, Where these aren't good enough then we should not be afraid to throw in the Yedlin's, Pritchard's, Winks etc. I don't think Lamela and Townsend have set the bar for improvement high.

I think there needs to be a mix of bringing through young talent and integrating these with fewer, quality signings in key positions, the spine of the team. I still think one of the most important signings is a replacement for Modric which will take more strain off CE. We also need to look at the wide players, if we play 4231 then the two wide players need to create, assist and score more than ours do. Their return compared to our rivals is embarrassing, which is why we are (unrealistically) looking at Depay.

irrespective of price, have not been good enough for a team with our objectives

What are our objectives? Poch's first season is about shaping a team, and potentially maintaining our top 6 position. No more than that. Fan's may have different ideas, but I would suggest we are fulfilling what was expected, anything more expected only comes from fans.

The fact is we know what Lamela and Townsend are capable of,

Do we? Based on what I have seen, I think I could be assured with what Townsend is capable of, and in a different system, in the right team feel he could do better. As for Lamela, I think he is capable of being a lot better than he currently is, you may not agree, but I feel he can offer a lot more, because he has the ability. Enough to justify £30m? Well that is subjective.

It seems a lot of Lamela's critics wrongly focus on him as the fulcrum for our teams inability to perform, and feel justified in lambasting him for his lack of what exactly? There are just as many other players who have been guilty of what Lamela has been accused of. Eriksen, Chadli have all been guilty of similar things. How many key passes or assists has Eriksen provided this season. Given the role he has in the team as the creative force, he should be doing more, but his goals count for something, so it is justified to be rightly pleased. Chadli offers sporadic ability, sublime one week, missing the next. Form like that is undependable, and given his age and experience should be doing better.

At this moment in time, believe it or not Lamela is probably the hardest worker on that pitch. He might not be giving poch what he wants from a creative point of view yet, but he is one of the very few (talking 2/3 players) adhering to poch's ideals.

 

[Jimmyjimmyo]

If Townsend could cross a ball he would be an incredible player, He has the beating of a man down the wing everytime I see him but then it all goes wrong with the final ball.

Our whole team need to practice Corners, Crosses and shooting as I can't ever recall seeing such crappy efforts even when they try to hit a crossfield pass it goes nowhere near where it was meant to, it's so frustrating to see us constantly resort to trying to force the ball through the middle

 

[ajspurs]

If Townsend could cross a ball he would be an incredible player, He has the beating of a man down the wing everytime I see him but then it all goes wrong with the final ball.

Our whole team need to practice Corners, Crosses and shooting as I can't ever recall seeing such crappy efforts even when they try to hit a crossfield pass it goes nowhere near where it was meant to, it's so frustrating to see us constantly resort to trying to force the ball through the middle

It's a big problem this, I highlighted it earlier. Sometimes it's like we don't know how to effectively attack with the ball. We had a passage of play today where we were passing the ball around for a while without doing anything and the move finished with Vertonghen playing a hopeful lofted ball through the middle and we lost the ball, frustrating to see.

 

[spurs mental]

Just watched the match after recording it. Didn't get to see it live and didn't hear the score all day.

Couple of things I took from it.

Costa is a fucking scum bag. Typical Chelsea player. I hate him more than Wilshere now. I'm glad Dier got a good kick on him, just wish he'd done more damage to the prick.

Mourinho came with a plan to stifle and it worked. Think the referee and officials bought everything they played for as well.

On the whole I thought we played fairly well. We kept the ball well, moved it forward quickly when we could but lacked any real creativity.

Eriksen was unlucky to rattle the bar early on. Kane got very little support when he had the ball up top but for the most part he did well with what he could.

We cab take pride in our performance. It's tough to lose but this squad is so young and still have so much to learn. This will stand to them I have no doubt.

And just to tip my hat to the fans who were absolutely superb all game, even at 2-0 down. Bringing all the noise all game showing Chelsea fans how to do it.

Kick on now against Swansea and QPR and we can be right in the mix for top 4 places come the end of the season. A couple of good summer signings and ship out some deadwood and Poch will have us firing again next season.

COYS

 

[spurs mental]

One other thing, which id like to add to my point about Chelsea's tactics, the amount of shitty little fouls they made with 30 mins to go. Don't get me wrong, they can do what they want, but if someone did that vs Chelsea Jose would be crying. ****

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

I am sure I am not alone by switching off when the game finished. What happened?

A couple from Charlton made love on the kick off spot.................

 

[glacierSpurs]

One other thing, which id like to add to my point about Chelsea's tactics, the amount of shitty little fouls they made with 30 mins to go. Don't get me wrong, they can do what they want, but if someone did that vs Chelsea Jose would be crying. ****

they saw the ref was kind.. they were affording yellows just to stall our momentums.. right from the start they could have sense the ref had no intention of spoiling a cup final with dishes of cards.. I had lost counts of the numbers of shirt-pullings from the scums and got away seemingly without any warnings..

but definitely in that aspect, that was a showing of maturity of team used to playing in cup finals..

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

irrespective of price, have not been good enough for a team with our objectives

What are our objectives? Poch's first season is about shaping a team, and potentially maintaining our top 6 position. No more than that. Fan's may have different ideas, but I would suggest we are fulfilling what was expected, anything more expected only comes from fans.

The fact is we know what Lamela and Townsend are capable of,.

Come on mate, get real we had players out on that pitch today who cost us nothing who have exceeded all expectations such as Kane, Bentaleb and Mason, please do not try and convince anyone on here that some of our magnificent seven such as Lamela, Paulinho, Soldado, Capoue and Chiriches have been anything other than underwhelming. To suggest otherwise is really quite frankly insulting other peoples intelligence.

As for Townsend and Lennon well they should really be placed in the bargain bucket transfer giveaway section at Poundstretcher.