Tottenham Vs Chelsea: Match Thread

[davidmatzdorf]

You're reading way too much into it. It's just a laugh. It's meaning was to wind them up.

I clicked "disagree" and then cancelled it, because I don't entirely disagree.

It was indeed meant to wind them up. But my point stands: they aren't "shit". We beat a top-class side. There's a strong tendency here to blame losses on the failure of Spurs players, even when we played well, but were beaten by a better side, and then to diss any opponent we beat soundly as "rubbish".

In this case, we defeated a top international side who had additional motivation to win the game. "You're shit" just minimised the significance of the performance. They weren't shit. We beat them anyway.

 

[riggi]

I clicked "disagree" and then cancelled it, because I don't entirely disagree.

It was indeed meant to wind them up. But my point stands: they aren't "shit". We beat a top-class side. There's a strong tendency here to blame losses on the failure of Spurs players, even when we played well, but were beaten by a better side, and then to diss any opponent we beat soundly as "rubbish".

In this case, we defeated a top international side who had additional motivation to win the game. "You're shit" just minimised the significance of the performance. They weren't shit. We beat them anyway.

I get your point but it was fan to fan. Pure salt in wound material.

I don't think anyone in that ground believes Chelsea are shit.

Agree to disagree.

 

[leffe186]

I don't think I am hallucinating. We have on numerous occasions beaten our rival or drew and the next game where we have a chance to make up even more ground, we slip. Typically vs a side we should dominate. I know this is the PL and no team should be taken lightly.

For example:

2016-2017

Beat Man City 2-0, then Draw West Brom and Bournemouth to go from second to 5th, when we could have gone 1st.

I know there are a lot of factors at play, but I picked middlesborough as a name not an example and the point is our next game is just as important as city, the scum and the rest of our top 4 comp. Cause we show up to the games against the big sides and have shown less intensity in the following games. We can't allow that to happen if being named champions is the goal.

No hallucinations there in my book and something that numerous people have talked about here on these boards.

I genuinely wondered about this and had a look. I had our "rivals" as Man U, Man C, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arse. These are the league results following our wins or away draws against these guys, under Poch:

1-1 away Arsenal, beat Soton 1-0 at home
5-3 home Chelsea, lost to Palace 1-2 away
2-1 home Arsenal, lost to Liverpool 3-2 away
4-1 home Man C, drew 2-2 Swansea away
1-1 away Arsenal, beat West Ham 4-1 at home
2-1 away Man C, beat Swansea 2-1 home
1-1 away Liverpool, beat Man U 3-0 home
3-0 home Man U, beat Stoke 4-0 away
2-2 away Chelsea, lost to Soton 1-2 at home
2-0 home Man C, drew 1-1 away WBA
1-1 away Arsenal, beat West Ham 3-2 at home

Six wins, two draws, three losses. Not amazing, but not exactly disastrous, in fact probably in line with our performances in general. It certainly does feel like our intensity changes, but I'm not totally convinced that the results show that.

 

[leffe186]

Arsenal were 8-2-1 in similar matches, which suggests that there mght be something in this (although that does include QPR once and Villa twice)

 

[Bulletspur]

Just remembered to mention something that piised me off in the post match analysis.
Without taking away Spurs skill (yeah ok) it was a defensive error that allowed the goal.
Ay? Really!!!!
EVERY FKIN GOAL EVER SCORED is a defensive error you twats. Otherwise there'd never be a bloody goal. Every game we've won the media seem to be focusing on 'how poor' the opposition are rather than looking at why.
The old SKY love in with Man U, Liverppol, Chelsea and Arsenal is in full flow.
Man U get a 2.0 win AT HOME, against a piss poor WHAM team wrongly down to 10 men for 80min, with a goal that was blatantly offside and, lets be honest, Wham should have scored at least 1. And yet Maureen has now got them flying and 'he's back, etc etc.
Man City on the other hand won WITH 10 men and yet PEP is a clueless buffoon.
Man U should have played WITH 10men for 4 games this season but haven't. To me it looks very much like the PL want Man U in the top 4 and by hook or by crook they're going to do their best to make sure it happens.
Personally I dont think they will finish top 4 because they arent good enough no matter what the media seem to say. Like last season I think their true colours will show through soon.
Sorry for going off track but this media loving for the Sky 4 pisses me off

I bet you anything that had we been in Man Utd position, 6th with 39 points and they in ours 3rd with 42 points, the media and others would be talking about "the top 5" instead of "the top 6" which they do now

 

[Spurger King]

You're reading way too much into it. It's just a laugh. It's meaning was to wind them up.

Very much this. Nothing to do with the quality of the opponent, and everything to do with agitating the cave dwellers.

 

[DukeUSA]

Poch's interviews are the most boring on the planet - its hard from what you see to understand how he achieves such fantastic results?

His success is because he doesn't give a rip about the interviews. He basically told one of the reporters last night that the reporter was too dumb to understand the tactics included in the decisions. Mourwhino or Kloopp would have had a clever answer at the ready but Poch is just like I made the decision you deal with it wasn't it awesome. He wanted to get to sleep so he could get to training today and kick Villa's backside by whatever means necessary. He wants to win and we want them to win and that is why we love him so much

 

[Air Jordan 3]

48 hours on, on reflection that was a faultless performance. Other than Lloris's kicking I can't think of any errors during the game.

On a side note (and I love Lloris BTW) he needs to put his foot through it more often. Often leads to us losing possession or giving a throws away in our own half. Can't think of too many times it leads to anything positive.

Not saying do it all the time as obviously helps us keep the ball but when we are under pressure get it up to Kane and co and trust them to fight for it.

 

[Cravenspurs]

I genuinely wondered about this and had a look. I had our "rivals" as Man U, Man C, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arse. These are the league results following our wins or away draws against these guys, under Poch:

1-1 away Arsenal, beat Soton 1-0 at home
5-3 home Chelsea, lost to Palace 1-2 away
2-1 home Arsenal, lost to Liverpool 3-2 away
4-1 home Man C, drew 2-2 Swansea away
1-1 away Arsenal, beat West Ham 4-1 at home
2-1 away Man C, beat Swansea 2-1 home
1-1 away Liverpool, beat Man U 3-0 home
3-0 home Man U, beat Stoke 4-0 away
2-2 away Chelsea, lost to Soton 1-2 at home
2-0 home Man C, drew 1-1 away WBA
1-1 away Arsenal, beat West Ham 3-2 at home

Six wins, two draws, three losses. Not amazing, but not exactly disastrous, in fact probably in line with our performances in general. It certainly does feel like our intensity changes, but I'm not totally convinced that the results show that.

Thanks for that man!! I agree with you as I looked too, and i wasn't trying to sound negative likeTHFC made it sound. I think we have all seen a slight "drop-off" after the big game which is understandable. Either way, thanks for the fact finding!

 

[Shea]

I get your point but it was fan to fan. Pure salt in wound material.

I don't think anyone in that ground believes Chelsea are shit.

Agree to disagree.

Are you saying fans chants don't always have to be factually accurate?

Does that mean arsenal aren't west ham in disguise?

I can't believe someone is over analysing a chant from the crowd

 

[dagraham]

Are you saying fans chants don't always have to be factually accurate?

Does that mean arsenal aren't west ham in disguise?

I can't believe someone is over analysing a chant from the crowd

It's obviously simply banter, but I kind of agree to an extent. I laughed when we sung it, but also thought it felt a bit small time. I know if the situation was reversed and it was sung to us I wouldn't feel wound up, I would just laugh and think it was a bit pathetic seeing as Chelsea are 5 points clear at the top of the league.

Anyway, back to the game. It sounds a bit strange, but one of the things I was most pleased about was us finally learning how to slow the game down and indulge in a bit of time wasting. I feel that last season we may have just gone of bit gung-ho instead of playing the percentages.

I still think that at times we dropped too deep as a team and invited them on, but in the end we saw the game out quite comfortably.

 

[Shea]

It's obviously simply banter, but I kind of agree to an extent. I laughed when we sung it, but also thought it felt a bit small time. I know if the situation was reversed and it was sung to us I wouldn't feel wound up, I would just laugh and think it was a bit pathetic seeing as Chelsea are 5 points clear at the top of the league.

Anyway, back to the game. It sounds a bit strange, but one of the things I was most pleased about was us finally learning how to slow the game down and indulge in a bit of time wasting. I feel that last season we may have just gone of bit gung-ho instead of playing the percentages.

I still think that at times we dropped too deep as a team and invited them on, but in the end we saw the game out quite comfortably.

Again you're completely over analysing it

Whether or not a chelsea fan would take offense to it or not who cares?

That's just the intention

What does it matter? It's no different to songs like can we play you every week and are you <insert club> in disguise

Football songs are just something to create some atmosphere and for the fans to cheer on the team or to celebrate a victory in this case by rubbing in the result against a rival team to rival fans

It's not small time at all

 

[Nocando]

I always liked a bit of; you're not very good, you're not very good, you're not very, you're not very, you're not very good.

But can't beat a bit of the beatles either.

 

[dagraham]

Again you're completely over analysing it

Whether or not a chelsea fan would take offense to it or not who cares?

That's just the intention

What does it matter? It's no different to songs like can we play you every week and are you <insert club> in disguise

Football songs are just something to create some atmosphere and for the fans to cheer on the team or to celebrate a victory in this case by rubbing in the result against a rival team to rival fans

It's not small time at all

You're right in that it really doesn't matter. I only brought it up as it was being talked about.

 

[Sweech]

For me, the "you're shit" chant was very annoying. Because they aren't. They're a top side.

For us to be chanting "you're shit" when we're beating the Premiership leaders 2-0 just seems perverse. Why would we want to label the top side that we are dismantling as "shit" when we're in the process of beating them soundly?

See that's when I think the chant is applicable and great - when it has a layer of irony to it.

I absolutely detest the chant when the support is chanting it at Hull City or the like.

Chanting it at Man U last year when we beat them 3-0 was absolutely sublime however.

 

[dagraham]

See that's when I think the chant is applicable and great - when it has a layer of irony to it.

I absolutely detest the chant when the support is chanting it at Hull City or the like.

Chanting it at Man U last year when we beat them 3-0 was absolutely sublime however.

I know I'm guilty of over analysing again, but that is exactly what I mean. That was really rubbing salt in the wound because Utd were on a steady decline from their heady days. Unfortunately you can't say the same about Chelsea.

 

[FreddieYid]

For me, the "you're shit" chant was very annoying. Because they aren't. They're a top side.

For us to be chanting "you're shit" when we're beating the Premiership leaders 2-0 just seems perverse. Why would we want to label the top side that we are dismantling as "shit" when we're in the process of beating them soundly?

'You're a top side, but we're still beating you' just doesn't have the same ring to it.

If you read into chants that much then you'll end up taking umbrage with the factuality of most of them.

• Although one was knackered... Ledley actually had 2 knees.

• I've been to plenty of games in my life where 'the Tottenham boys' were not making all the noise.

• I'm not sure any of the allegations sung towards Arsene Wenger are factually true (not 100% on this one admittedly).

It's football and it's all part of what fans in every ground do. I'm positive it, in no way lessened how the result was perceived by anyone.

 

[Japhet]

Loved the way Poch brought Winks on and showed his faith in him. Would have absolutely loved it if CCV had been given a run just to rub the Chavs noses in it for the last few minutes.

 

[Wirral Spurs]

For me, the "you're shit" chant was very annoying. Because they aren't. They're a top side.

For us to be chanting "you're shit" when we're beating the Premiership leaders 2-0 just seems perverse. Why would we want to label the top side that we are dismantling as "shit" when we're in the process of beating them soundly?

Normally agree but really enjoyed the irony this time.

 

[Sweech]

I know I'm guilty of over analysing again, but that is exactly what I mean. That was really rubbing salt in the wound because Utd were on a steady decline from their heady days. Unfortunately you can't say the same about Chelsea.

Chelsea's league position doesn't change the fact that they are shit.
Their fans are shit.
Their players are shit.
They're run by shit.
They play on a shit ground.
They act like shit.
They talk like shit.
They walk like shit.
They're shit.

Personally I think the chant was succinct and to the point for that lot.