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Tottenham Vs Manchester City: Match Thread

guiltyparty

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Pretty sure he didn't, and the reason given was that Dawson was offside, was it not? It did seem as if Ade was blocking the linesman's view so that he couldn't see Zabaleta (?) was playing Daws onside, so it was perhaps a forgivable error. The penalty certainly wasn't. Rose definitely got the ball before contact was made.

Offside was given against Dawson not Adebayor, yes. On BT Sport they confirmed the linesman's report, and with replays said a) it was not offside under that definition and b) yes the defender obscured his view to see that fact
 

WiganSpur

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Oh FFS Spurs. Glad I opted to dodge it for the Wolf of Wall St.

Having said that losing by 4 to Citeh isn't too bad considering we were a man light for half the game.
 

Nynorsk

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Pretty sure he didn't, and the reason given was that Dawson was offside, was it not? It did seem as if Ade was blocking the linesman's view so that he couldn't see Zabaleta (?) was playing Daws onside, so it was perhaps a forgivable error. The penalty certainly wasn't. Rose definitely got the ball before contact was made.


Adebayor is offside, and arguably involved even if he doesn't touch the ball. If he touches is, then both he and Dawson is offside (in the next situation).

I thought the penalty was awarded wrongly, but if you look at it closely, you can see that Rose actually touches the player before the ball. City should have had five penalties anyway (Bentaleb handling the ball five times).
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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Pretty sure he didn't, and the reason given was that Dawson was offside, was it not? It did seem as if Ade was blocking the linesman's view so that he couldn't see Zabaleta (?) was playing Daws onside, so it was perhaps a forgivable error. The penalty certainly wasn't. Rose definitely got the ball before contact was made.

The thing is, the defence didn't make it easy for themselves allowing Dzeko to get goal side unmarked. Rose made the tackle the wrong side of the player so it was an easy decision for the ref once the linesman had flagged.

I also question why the player making the pass wasn't afforded all the time in the world - on the edge of our box - to pick Dzeko out.
 

ajspurs

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What worries me is that we Sherwood never caters his lineup or tactics to the opposition. We played the same team against arsenal and palace, and then the same team versus swansea and city. A highly worrisome trend

Indeed. I like what he's trying to do with the team, get us passing and improving our movement offensively and defensively, but our players aren't executing well enough to do it.

With a midfield like today's with no real defensive minded midfielders the goal was to keep the ball well and improve our fluidity with accurate/effective passing but what's the point when they're all giving the ball away? Dembele, Eriksen and Bentaleb were all guilty of multiple sloppy passes throughout the game tonight which just put even more unnecessary pressure on us and generally speaking, I don't think Dembele's and Eriksen's passing up until this point in the season has been that great.

We had a severe lack of control tonight and what's frustrating is that in the very few times we did have control of the ball in the final 3rd, there were gaps in their defence to exploit but we were so unable to get any hold on the game that we weren't able to put them to the test at all.
 

jolsnogross

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I simply do not understand this. Was I watching some other game? Man city are one of the best teams in the world. After watching them pin us back for 25 minutes Tim got the guys getting stuck in and kicking them and we should have gone in 1-1. Then we were robbed by a horrendous, bad decision by the same idiot who flagged for offside and then the game was over. A team of city's quality will keep the ball better and until the 4th goal (which was a deflection) we never let our heads drop and kept fighting. The fifth goal also fell kindly for them.

Aguero was always going to give Daws the runaround like he would about 90% of the centre backs in the world - Daws got stuck into him after the 25th minute. Silva is a magician. Benteleb could have been tighter for the goal but his off the ball movement was quick and sharp. Nabil was good - played well and forward. Once Tim got Mousa to play forward rather than sideways they were being pressed back. All the signs were good until that idiot got his decisions wrong.

And now Tim is on notice?!?!? Mate this is not Football Manager and I don't think you have spent enough time on a pitch playing the game.

I've to give football manager a go sometime because it seems to be all the rage on here, especially among the know-all ex-pros, it seems.

You can make all the excuses in the world, but we've shipped 5 goals at home. Again. And we shipped 3 against West Ham. And 6 against City away. 11-1 we've lost to City in the league this year and no matter how good they are, we should be very embarrassed by that. AVB should have been, and Sherwood should be.

And as someone who thinks it was right to let AVB go, even though he had done well the previous season and had us in a reasonably good league position this, you'd have to be blind to think it's ok for us to lose 5-1 again anytime soon. The upper echelons want 4th place and no tonkings. Those are the criteria by which AVB was measured, and those are the criteria Sherwood himself has more-or-less acknowledged apply to him.

We can't go on getting beat by 4, 5, and 6 goals, because it lays bare the fact that we're not really in the same league as our so called peers. All along we've been convincing ourselves that the side beating United at Old trafford and close to Liverpool on points is the real Spurs, and the side getting smashed by City (twice), Liverpool, and West Ham is the aberration. Another 5-goal embarrassment would start suggesting that the loser side of that equation is the real Spurs. They need to buck up their ideas in the big games that matter to this seasons outcome, and Sherwood is the one who will carry the can if they don't.

At least that's what football manager should be telling me.
 

Sweetsman

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Bentaleb didn't have a good game, he's just a kid, it's going to be like that. He has played excellently recently though and had earned his place... I'm intrigued about this magical DM which you speak of though which would of turned the game on it's head... What defensive genius do we have in our squad who didn't play and wouldn't of made everything ok??? Don't kid yourself, they're just better than us, they have a more settled squad, a more settled system behind the scenes and on the pitch, all the money in the world and some absolutely world class talent.

If you're looking to assign blame to a single issue not playing a DM is a pretty deluded one to pick.
My point is that in a game like this, Bentaleb may not have been the right choice in retrospect. Capoue came on for Dembele and it seemed that Bentaleb should have been taken off instead. We were being sliced through the middle and that wrecked our defensive shape, one not helped by the tortured Dawson.
 

SpurSince57

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Indeed. I like what he's trying to do with the team, get us passing and improving our movement offensively and defensively, but our players aren't executing well enough to do it.

With a midfield like today's with no real defensive minded midfielders the goal was to keep the ball well and improve our fluidity with accurate/effective passing but what's the point when they're all giving the ball away? Dembele, Eriksen and Bentaleb were all guilty of multiple sloppy passes throughout the game tonight which just put even more unnecessary pressure on us and generally speaking, I don't think Dembele's and Eriksen's passing up until this point in the season has been that great.

We had a severe lack of control tonight and what's frustrating is that in the very few times we did have control of the ball in the final 3rd, there were gaps in their defence to exploit but we were so unable to get any hold on the game that we weren't able to put them to the test at all.

Dembélé's was fine, with the usual proviso that he tends to take the safe option. Bentaleb was OK, but well below his standard in previous games. He didn't see as much of the ball, either. Eriksen again didn't get too many wrong (I think like Dembélé the ones that went astray stand out disproportionately), but really didn't see as much of the ball as he ought to have done. For crap passing, Sig's got to take the accolade, surely; I doubt he made more than a dozen, and at least half must have gone adrift.
 

rupsmith

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I've to give football manager a go sometime because it seems to be all the rage on here, especially among the know-all ex-pros, it seems.

You can make all the excuses in the world, but we've shipped 5 goals at home. Again. And we shipped 3 against West Ham. And 6 against City away. 11-1 we've lost to City in the league this year and no matter how good they are, we should be very embarrassed by that. AVB should have been, and Sherwood should be.

And as someone who thinks it was right to let AVB go, even though he had done well the previous season and had us in a reasonably good league position this, you'd have to be blind to think it's ok for us to lose 5-1 again anytime soon. The upper echelons want 4th place and no tonkings. Those are the criteria by which AVB was measured, and those are the criteria Sherwood himself has more-or-less acknowledged apply to him.

We can't go on getting beat by 4, 5, and 6 goals, because it lays bare the fact that we're not really in the same league as our so called peers. All along we've been convincing ourselves that the side beating United at Old trafford and close to Liverpool on points is the real Spurs, and the side getting smashed by City (twice), Liverpool, and West Ham is the aberration. Another 5-goal embarrassment would start suggesting that the loser side of that equation is the real Spurs. They need to buck up their ideas in the big games that matter to this seasons outcome, and Sherwood is the one who will carry the can if they don't.

At least that's what football manager should be telling me.

I simply do not understand your argument. Are you saying that it is unacceptable for us to get thrashed by west ham, Liverpool and city under AVB? Considering that his tactical and man management approach did not seem to be working, the chairman held him accountable and sacked him.

Under Sherwood, this was the first game we lost. We were playing one of the best (and possibly the richest) teams in the world and were on the receiving end of two harsh decisions. We showed heart and fight for the most part of the game. Are we in the same league? Well City and Chelsea have the financial clout we do not have. Arsenal have financial stability and resources we simply do not. Liverpool as well. They are the only teams above us - we are a well run club, but we simply cannot consistently challenge for the top 3 on our financial resources and stadium capacity. Such expectations are unrealistic. But Tim is doing a very good job and if AVB was given time; based on what I've seen so far, Tim should be given an equal amount if not more time.
 

ajspurs

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Dembélé's was fine, with the usual proviso that he tends to take the safe option. Bentaleb was OK, but well below his standard in previous games. He didn't see as much of the ball, either. Eriksen again didn't get too many wrong (I think like Dembélé the ones that went astray stand out disproportionately), but really didn't see as much of the ball as he ought to have done. For crap passing, Sig's got to take the accolade, surely; I doubt he made more than a dozen, and at least half must have gone adrift.

Dembele was certainly the best out of the 3, he sidestepped Yaya Toure a few times and did the same to others and was the only one who really showed much positive energy, despite being sloppy at times. I think the passes that were stray definitely stand out more in the mind because of the fact that we saw so little of the ball. Bentaleb was poor when you compare his performance to his previous ones, I almost mean that as a compliment but to me he didn't look greatly comfortable tonight, not many did mind. Eriksen's performance was of the type that we saw under AVB to be honest, just a bit anonymous and ineffective. His set pieces in these last few games though have been superb.

I didn't even include Sigurdsson because I never expect anything from him out wide on the left anyway. His passing obviously could have been better but all in all he didn't play too different to how I would have imagined, unfortunately.
 

jolsnogross

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I simply do not understand your argument. Are you saying that it is unacceptable for us to get thrashed by west ham, Liverpool and city under AVB? Considering that his tactical and man management approach did not seem to be working, the chairman held him accountable and sacked him.

Under Sherwood, this was the first game we lost. We were playing one of the best (and possibly the richest) teams in the world and were on the receiving end of two harsh decisions. We showed heart and fight for the most part of the game. Are we in the same league? Well City and Chelsea have the financial clout we do not have. Arsenal have financial stability and resources we simply do not. Liverpool as well. They are the only teams above us - we are a well run club, but we simply cannot consistently challenge for the top 3 on our financial resources and stadium capacity. Such expectations are unrealistic. But Tim is doing a very good job and if AVB was given time; based on what I've seen so far, Tim should be given an equal amount if not more time.

I agree with you. Sherwood should be given time and I don't want to be lumped in with the clowns calling him slightly dim and all the rest of that rubbish. Most of those guys are still pining for AVB's turgid defensive midfielder nonsense.

But, I'm suggesting Tim has to continue to do as well as he's been doing and not lurch into the heavy defeats that AVB had us involved with. I don't expect it to happen - I'm hopeful that this is the last beating by 4 we take this season. But if it isn't, I'm suggesting Sherwood will be mesured by the same yardstick AVB was. And even Harry before him, even though Harry actually finished 4th and still got sacked!

I am giving AVB some credit for his points accumulation - he didn't finish 4th, and didn't get the chance to see if he could finish 4th this year. I'm just suggesting that we've had an odd year so far in terms of getting hammered and it isn't acceptable. I'm neither predicting nor wishing for Sherwod to get the sack. I'm just hoping he doesn't have to be in charge of another 5-1 this year because the circumstances behind this 1-5 will fade into background noise soon enough, but the stat (5-1 loss at home) most certainly will not.
 

Spurs 1961

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Another humiliation, glad we have the ten man excuse makes it feel a little better deflecting attention from our inadequacies. I had suggested ages ago that TS might just write this game off and he clearly did this by not risking our best midfield players, and best central defenders who need to get back to match fitness. Our midfield was no existent and I felt sorry for Dembele who tried hard. Rentalab is a bit of a nothing player and the poor kid was way out of his depth but hopefully he was taking notes as he watched citeh.

Let's hope we have some of our best players back before we face Arse, Pool, Chelski etc. Getting thrashed every time we play teams we are supposedly competing with is not a pleasant feeling
 

SpursManChris

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Absolutely disgraceful, 'try-hard to impress' coverage from BT Sport! I just saw a clip where the Rose tackle replay had a live mini window totally obscuring the view! Stick to telephones BT! Thank God I had the un-raped international broadcast!
 

shelfboy68

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I simply do not understand your argument. Are you saying that it is unacceptable for us to get thrashed by west ham, Liverpool and city under AVB? Considering that his tactical and man management approach did not seem to be working, the chairman held him accountable and sacked him.

Under Sherwood, this was the first game we lost. We were playing one of the best (and possibly the richest) teams in the world and were on the receiving end of two harsh decisions. We showed heart and fight for the most part of the game. Are we in the same league? Well City and Chelsea have the financial clout we do not have. Arsenal have financial stability and resources we simply do not. Liverpool as well. They are the only teams above us - we are a well run club, but we simply cannot consistently challenge for the top 3 on our financial resources and stadium capacity. Such expectations are unrealistic. But Tim is doing a very good job and if AVB was given time; based on what I've seen so far, Tim should be given an equal amount if not more time.

But for how long do we stay as we are not being able to challenge the top three positions.
At some point enic will have to make a decision on whether to sell the club to owners who can make that dream come true to really compete.
Last night showed how far away we are as we always used to beat city now in the last couple of seasons we have lost 5-1 at home twice and 6-0 away totally unacceptable for this club and twice this season conceding five at home an utter disgrace of a team.
 

dk-yid

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Tim's run kept us there abouts, but march will seal our fate imo.

I just don't trust tim to pick the right players for big games.

I'm on the fence about Tim, but agree that march will be make or break. I would have like to see what he would have done if Sandro, Kaboul and Vertonghen were fit. These are the characters that we need in the big games. Those that will lift the team and lead. We are desperately short on those at the moment.
 
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