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Tottenham Vs Newcastle: Match Thread

doom

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we are rightly upset that we lost but if some of those amazing saves hadn't come off we would have had a big win. I thought we were magnificent second half we completely battered newcastle (that's what the neutrals are saying) and it's a big shame that Krul has been brilliant against us twice now.
Oh yes and what a very poor move leaving Sandro on the bench and Kaboul foir that matter.
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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we are rightly upset that we lost but if some of those amazing saves hadn't come off we would have had a big win. I thought we were magnificent second half we completely battered newcastle (that's what the neutrals are saying) and it's a big shame that Krul has been brilliant against us twice now.
Oh yes and what a very poor move leaving Sandro on the bench and Kaboul foir that matter.

Look at the bigger picture.
We've failed to score goals from open play in 7 of 11 games.
That is terrifyingly bad.
 

Veuve Clicquot

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Taken from another site ; -
Here are some random facts. Read into them what you will.

Fact 1: Sigurdsson/Townsend did not complete a single successful pass to Soldado throughout the entire game.

Fact 2: Of our previous eight defeats, seven of them came directly after a Europa League tie.

Fact 3: Sandro was great against FC Sheriff, but terrible against Hull three days later. Subbed after 45 mins.

Fact 4: Dembele was great against FC Sheriff, but terrible today. Subbed after 45 mins.

Fact 5: Sigurdsson won 20 per cent of his duels today.

Fact 6: Tim Krul played well, but not great. All his saves bar one (Soldado’s flick-on) should have been stopped.

Fact 7: Jermain Defoe played for 15 minutes and touched the ball twice.

Fact 8: Townsend has had 41 shots at goal this season and scored one goal (a cross).

Fact 9: Spurs have yet to win a game at home this season after falling behind.

Fact 10: Spurs have scored 34 goals in 25 games at home under AVB. Average: 1.36 per game.
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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I think we're in real trouble and if people can't see it then they're blinkered.

If you were shielded from seeing 20 points from 33 you'd be left with:
9 Goals in 11 games
Only 6 from open play.
4 of 11 failed to score.
3 needed penalties to score.

I haven't been this worried about Spurs since the sudden decline under Ramos.
It's following a worrying pattern too.
First season success, good players leave, rebuilding and then utter failure.

AVB has a lot of work to do to turn this around and he needs to realise that the players he has do not play well worth his chosen tactics.

Inverted wingers work when they are Bale and Ronaldo.
But Sigurdsson and Townsend? Have a word.
 

Tit&Ham

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Apparently lots of people belive we didn't create that many chances and that Krul weren't that good.

1. Soldados header from Eriksen freekick in first half. Very good finish - ekstremly good save.
2. Paulinhos finish towards the top corner in the end of first half - Very good finish - Ok save.
3. Freekick deflected - Ekstremly good save TWICE. Poor finish from Kaboul.
4. Townsend finish with Soldado on the rebound. Ok finish from Townsend, poor finish from Soldado. Not a great save.
5. Eriksen finish from 6 meter - Partly poor finish, but ekstremly good save. Krul was going the other way.
6. Paulinho finish from 6 meter - Partly poor finish - Ok save (good positioning from Krul)
7. Verthongen header in the bar - Ok finish.

To sum up:
We had at least 7 excellent chances that should have been a goal. Krul made 4 world class saves.
And I have probably forgotten some of the chances as well.

Our finishing was pretty good, but we also could have done better on a couple of occations.
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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"A reluctance to pick Sandro, who was instrumental in upping the tempo in the 1-0 defeat to Newcastle after joining the action as a substitute, does make you wonder about the boss' selection policy."

It lost me there.

He didn't start him.
When he came on it proved we're better with him and he should have started.

With the players we have I think we'll only get success with a 451, proper wingers on proper sides.
Have Sandro sitting. Paulinho or Dembele roving and Holtby or Eriksen forward.
 

TheSecretNonFootballer

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He didn't start him.
When he came on it proved we're better with him and he should have started.

With the players we have I think we'll only get success with a 451, proper wingers on proper sides.
Have Sandro sitting. Paulinho or Dembele roving and Holtby or Eriksen forward.

Because he went off injured the other day. I have no doubt in my mind that Sandro would have started if fully fit.
 

Smokinhotspur

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There is a hell of a lot of stick coming AVB's way but he did do some positive things. He made a decisive half time change to bring on Sandro for Dembele which totally changed the tempo of the game and freed Paulinho to get further forward alongside Eriksen. If either had put away their chances, we would be having a different conversation. In the past, we have criticised him for leaving it too late before making changes so credit where it is due. Still only 5 points off the top and other teams that have had significant change over the summer either with lots of players in and out or managerial changes or both are also struggling to find a consistent rhythm.

I also want to commend another AVB move that didn't come off but was brave. Eriksen had an awful game against Sheriff in midweek but he was left in the team. Had he scored his chance then it would have been hailed as a an excellent decision. I would really like to see AVB pick a team that plays together for 5-6 games (barring injuries, suspensions etc) and starts to develop some understanding. We are overloaded with No 10s and none of them seems to be playing with a huge amount of confidence at present. For a start, it is time the manager picks his top man and gives him the next 4-6 weeks to make the position his own be it Holtby, Eriksen, Lamela, Sigurdsson....
 

woodyspur

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2nd half, especially late 2nd, was ugly desperate football.

were any of you also yelling, "PLAY TO FEET!" over and over again... or was it just me?
 

thinktank

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There is a hell of a lot of stick coming AVB's way but he did do some positive things. He made a decisive half time change to bring on Sandro for Dembele which totally changed the tempo of the game and freed Paulinho to get further forward alongside Eriksen. If either had put away their chances, we would be having a different conversation. In the past, we have criticised him for leaving it too late before making changes so credit where it is due.

He needs to start picking the right starting 11, then he wouldn't have to keep making emergency subs because we're totally dysfunctional.

Needs to start getting it right.

The more I think about it, the more I think he should have started the winning side form last thursday and then subbed as needed for tiredness.

The every-game rotation needs to stop for a bit. Players need familiarity for a while.
 

Makkaveli101

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Anyone feel a sense of embarrassment with AVB's comments re: Europa, Pardew, Newcatle... after the game? I thought Pardew's comments were relevant and warmly empathic to our situation - calling for more rest between games - and AVB got all defensive and took it all the wrong way. I'm not calling for AVB's head - but sometimes he comes across as quite an arrogant and cold individual?
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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Anyone feel a sense of embarrassment with AVB's comments re: Europa, Pardew, Newcatle... after the game? I thought Pardew's comments were relevant and warmly empathic to our situation - calling for more rest between games - and AVB got all defensive and took it all the wrong way. I'm not calling for AVB's head - but sometimes he comes across as quite an arrogant and cold individual?


I think with every passing poor performance he's getting more and more defensive and agitated.

With our run of fixtures it's going to get a lot worse.
 

Smokinhotspur

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He needs to start picking the right starting 11, then he wouldn't have to keep making emergency subs because we're totally dysfunctional.

Needs to start getting it right.

The more I think about it, the more I think he should have started the winning side form last thursday and then subbed as needed for tiredness.

The every-game rotation needs to stop for a bit. Players need familiarity for a while.

Agree - 2nd part of my post says the same.
 

Smokinhotspur

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Anyone feel a sense of embarrassment with AVB's comments re: Europa, Pardew, Newcatle... after the game? I thought Pardew's comments were relevant and warmly empathic to our situation - calling for more rest between games - and AVB got all defensive and took it all the wrong way. I'm not calling for AVB's head - but sometimes he comes across as quite an arrogant and cold individual?

Yes I also cringed a bit especially as the reporter cut in and tried to explain but he was having none of it and appeared to have come to his own conclusion about an ulterior motive behind the seemingly empathetic comments from Pardew. The reality is that he is still bearng the scars of his Chelsea experience and is extremely wary of the press so we will see this from time to time especially when things aren't going our way. He doesn't need to become a media tart, rent a quote like HR but he doesn't want to make enemies of the press unnecessarily either...
 

ajspurs

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Apparently lots of people belive we didn't create that many chances and that Krul weren't that good.

1. Soldados header from Eriksen freekick in first half. Very good finish - ekstremly good save.
2. Paulinhos finish towards the top corner in the end of first half - Very good finish - Ok save.
3. Freekick deflected - Ekstremly good save TWICE. Poor finish from Kaboul.
4. Townsend finish with Soldado on the rebound. Ok finish from Townsend, poor finish from Soldado. Not a great save.
5. Eriksen finish from 6 meter - Partly poor finish, but ekstremly good save. Krul was going the other way.
6. Paulinho finish from 6 meter - Partly poor finish - Ok save (good positioning from Krul)
7. Verthongen header in the bar - Ok finish.

To sum up:
We had at least 7 excellent chances that should have been a goal. Krul made 4 world class saves.
And I have probably forgotten some of the chances as well.

Our finishing was pretty good, but we also could have done better on a couple of occations.

The best one was Eriksen's. I would have it more as a shit effort and a shot that should have been saved. I would say the deflected free kick and the header from Soldado were the only class saves, the rest he should have saved.

And to be honest, I know they can be the difference at times, but I fucking hate using the opposition keeper as an excuse.
 
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