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bill

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Interesting listening to Comolli on TS this morning. Apparently it is a running joke in Europe that amongst the top 20 clubs, Spurs is the only one without a scouting network in place. For those wondering how we ended up with such crap, spineless players after selling Bale - at least now we know. Prob Levy and Baldini picking them from Football Manager stats - much cheaper than hiring scouts who know what they are doing....


Spurs has its own version of Pro Zone. Arse and others not have similar. In fact Spurs was one of the first clubs on the footballing world to adopt this app internally. Maybe this is the scouting network!
 

SpurSince57

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Interesting listening to Comolli on TS this morning. Apparently it is a running joke in Europe that amongst the top 20 clubs, Spurs is the only one without a scouting network in place. For those wondering how we ended up with such crap, spineless players after selling Bale - at least now we know. Prob Levy and Baldini picking them from Football Manager stats - much cheaper than hiring scouts who know what they are doing....

He did an awesome job for us, didn't he? Not to mention Libverpool.
 

Sweetsman

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At this stage i cant see MP turning it round he looks completly clueless and out of his depth and i cant see him being here Long.
That said i of course would Love for him to prove me wrong and i Will be the first to admit i was wrong if he does.
It's not clueless, it's flabbergasted at the inept, spineless attitudes of some of his players. That said, he needs to decide his best ELEVEN now and stick to it.
 

Smokinhotspur

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He did an awesome job for us, didn't he? Not to mention Libverpool.

He did sign Bale, Modric, Berbatov and Carrick (i think) - all players that did well and moved for decent money in the end. Of course there were a few that were not great Zokora etc.. Same at Liverpool, he signed Suarez and Henderson but also signed Carroll which counterbalances.

In any case, I think you are missing the point as my post is not in support of Comolli but more about highlighting the bizarre position of not having a scouting network when most other top clubs do. If we don't have a scouting network then how the hell do we do our due diligence in making sure players are right for our club before taking them? To give an example, Sir Alex sent a scout to Mexico to watch Chicharitto for weeks and to find out as much as possible aboput his work ethic, temperament, family, mindset etc before they took him for a paltry £6m. Did we do anything of the like with Paulinho or did we just decide to spunk away £17m off the back of a couple of half decent performances in the Confed cup...... Same goes for the other flops that are sitting pretty on big contracts whilst putting in mediocre performances week in week out
 

scottlag10

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Interesting listening to Comolli on TS this morning. Apparently it is a running joke in Europe that amongst the top 20 clubs, Spurs is the only one without a scouting network in place. For those wondering how we ended up with such crap, spineless players after selling Bale - at least now we know. Prob Levy and Baldini picking them from Football Manager stats - much cheaper than hiring scouts who know what they are doing....

Having read the book 'The nowhere men' which is about scouting, it comes across that scouts don't get paid much at all so I cant see that this is a financial decision, just vanity?
 

Gaz_Gammon

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Gaz_Gammon, post: 4323926, member: 4349"]I'd take one of them and another boring sixth place finish over what is approaching a relegation battle to be quite honest. At least Sherwood (and i don't like the guy) got us scoring goals, and winning.

This season has been our worst start since 2008, oh and it took a 130 million spend on players and a new shiny manager to achieve that. To suggest giving Poch money to spend in January is plain stupid. He appears to have lost the plot, the changing room and respect of the fans.

Gaz do you truly believe that our 'Head Coach' has a say in signings? One of the reasons Sherwood did not get the job is because he wanted to be Manager eg be in control of everything including signings, which is not happening under DL's DOF system.
Fans have not lost respect for Poch yet, but I believe now have Levy firmly in their sights! On that point he quickly had the 'Levy Out' banner in the East stand removed yesterday and boy did he have that volume button upped on the tannoy at the final whistle attempting to drown out the boos.
We sure know which one of the three, Poch, Baldini, and Levy, will not be the fall guy for the mess we are in on the pitch.


Sherwood took virtually the same squad to a sixth place finish, and again i reiterate that i care nothing about his time as manager and am not trying to defend his time in that position. Can anyone on here seriously say that they have seen the current side or starting eleven show any improvement to the extent that we will finish in the top ten? In fact our current form is indeed that of a side facing relegation.

Over the past few PL games Poch has made many substitutions. My question is with so may being made he is obviously not making he right decisions on the starting eleven. Forget about "finding his best eleven" he has had over twenty games to find that, and in all honesty it's the system and not the players as far as i can see that is making a lot of them look stupid out on the pitch.

Despite the 4-2-3-1 set up not producing goals or victories of any merit he persists (like AVB) in setting out a losing system

With absolutely the greatest respects to a future PL star Harry Kane would Chel$ea, Man Ure, Liverpool, Man City or even Southampton have started Kane up front at home as a lone striker, against any other PL side? His future is bright but a single striker up front to a team who had not won an away game since August?

Pardew quoted that the spine of his team helped turn around their season. We don't have a spine, simply because we have no backbone. I saw no fighters out on the pitch on Sunday and it's the same week in week out. Apparently Sherwood can "lose the dressing room" after taking over from a manager who was sacked because of poor results, bad mouth them in public, tell them that they are very much of a muchness and still finish sixth. We have a manager who (not unlike Sherwood) has quoted that he is happy with the squad has quality players and cannot get them to perform with any amount of substitutions for more than one game.

WH were robbed, Villa were mugged and Saints should in all honesty have taken a point. Take away those results and we would be looking up at fifteen other sides this morning. That's how bad it is, the second coming of Ramos in the making as far as i can see.




Flame away.
 

Smokinhotspur

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Interesting listening to Comolli on TS this morning. Apparently it is a running joke in Europe that amongst the top 20 clubs, Spurs is the only one without a scouting network in place. For those wondering how we ended up with such crap, spineless players after selling Bale - at least now we know. Prob Levy and Baldini picking them from Football Manager stats - much cheaper than hiring scouts who know what they are doing....

Having read the book 'The nowhere men' which is about scouting, it comes across that scouts don't get paid much at all so I cant see that this is a financial decision, just vanity?

Good point although I did also factor in the additional expenses a scouting network would rack up in flights, expenses etc. All in all, likely to be a false economy given the risk of getting it wrong with multi million pound signings as we appear to have done rather spectacularly. I wouldn't put it past being a classic case of Levy brainless penny pinching. Just think of all those deadwood players that we could never shift in the past and continued to pay big wages because of the unrealistic valuations he placed on them...
 

Gaz_Gammon

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It's in the fucking mind, and it's Pochettino's job to sort it. It's why we hired him. To turn a bunch of nowt nor summat's into a fucking team.



Just where were this "bunch of nowt nor summat's" when he took over? I thought that we'd qualified yet again for European football under a fucking "useless" and "bonehead" of a manager?

Just asking like.
 

nidge

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He did sign Bale, Modric, Berbatov and Carrick (i think) - all players that did well and moved for decent money in the end. Of course there were a few that were not great Zokora etc.. Same at Liverpool, he signed Suarez and Henderson but also signed Carroll which counterbalances.

In any case, I think you are missing the point as my post is not in support of Comolli but more about highlighting the bizarre position of not having a scouting network when most other top clubs do. If we don't have a scouting network then how the hell do we do our due diligence in making sure players are right for our club before taking them? To give an example, Sir Alex sent a scout to Mexico to watch Chicharitto for weeks and to find out as much as possible aboput his work ethic, temperament, family, mindset etc before they took him for a paltry £6m. Did we do anything of the like with Paulinho or did we just decide to spunk away £17m off the back of a couple of half decent performances in the Confed cup...... Same goes for the other flops that are sitting pretty on big contracts whilst putting in mediocre performances week in week out

Carrick left the summer Comoli arrived and his "replacement" was Zokora. :facepalm:
 

slartibartfast

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Read it again Slarti. You've got the wrong end of the stick. SS implied that Poch might have pulled the wool over Levy's eyes but I'm saying that someone with Levy's experience shouldn't be that gullible, i.e. the buck stops with Levy, not Poch. ;)
My bad :whistle:
 

slartibartfast

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Abslutely agree, but at least this way poch can say, "look yoo baldy fuckage leavies, I a play yor pussy players...ay...anna they lubbish innit...anna I don fukkin wan!!! Yoo sell now baldies...anna I bring in mah awn fahkin playaz innit!!!"

"wot de bald fahkin silly mans dooin...he aina goh de faaaaaahkin cloooz".
Am I the only one who read that in the voice of Stavros lol.
Weez ar garna gets bloody relagated innit?
Oops, turned into Jar Jar Binks lol.
Edit- Jar jar prob do a better job.
 

Gaz_Gammon

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He did an awesome job for us, didn't he? Not to mention Libverpool.


When you compare the players brought in he's done as well as Baldini. DOF is a waster of money job in my opinion and the money would be better spent on improving our scouting network. What Commolli said about Spurs on Talk Sport rings very true.
 

Gaz_Gammon

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Carrick left the summer Comoli arrived and his "replacement" was Zokora. :facepalm:


Which one of the magnificent seven shows Baldini in any different light? Chiriches?

I would take a wild guess that Zokora played more minutes for us in a season than any of the dross brought in by Baldini in total. I mean, i think Strombo is yet to actually start a PL game?
 

nidge

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Which one of the magnificent seven shows Baldini in any different light? Chiriches?

I would take a wild guess that Zokora played more minutes for us in a season than any of the dross brought in by Baldini in total. I mean, i think Strombo is yet to actually start a PL game?

At no point did I compare the two. I was purely commenting that Carrick left the summer Comoli arrived and that his replacement for Carrick wasn't the type of player we really needed at the time.

As has been said Comoli bought us some good and very good players but we also had a completely unbalanced squad.

Sadly at the moment Baldini looks even worse. If (big if) some of the players brought in by Baldini can reach their potential then he might not look so bad.
 

Gaz_Gammon

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At no point did I compare the two. I was purely commenting that Carrick left the summer Comoli arrived and that his replacement for Carrick wasn't the type of player we really needed at the time.

As has been said Comoli bought us some good and very good players but we also had a completely unbalanced squad.

Sadly at the moment Baldini looks even worse. If (big if) some of the players brought in by Baldini can reach their potential then he might not look so bad.


We are so unbalanced it's untrue. Even (and though i didn't rate him) Sherwood's quote that "the squad is much of a muchness" rings oh so true i am afraid. The problem is our shiny new coach has said that he is happy with the dross he has inherited. Hardly a statement on intent now is it?
 

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We are so unbalanced it's untrue. Even (and though i didn't rate him) Sherwood's quote that "the squad is much of a muchness" rings oh so true i am afraid. The problem is our shiny new coach has said that he is happy with the dross he has inherited. Hardly a statement on intent now is it?
He did say he wanted to give the players a chance before he made any signings, and slagging the players off now, while he cant get replacements in, is not going to do him any favours. I can tell by the look in Poch's eyes during and after games that he thinks they're fucking shit, and he's right.
 

TheHoddleWaddle

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We are so unbalanced it's untrue. Even (and though i didn't rate him) Sherwood's quote that "the squad is much of a muchness" rings oh so true i am afraid. The problem is our shiny new coach has said that he is happy with the dross he has inherited. Hardly a statement on intent now is it?

He couldn't really say publicly:

"WTF sort of squad is this? They are all shit, I need to have a clear out and start again"
 
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