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TheGreenLily

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I think that "99% of supporters who want TS out" also don't give a "flying f**k" about win percentage. They just want Sherwood out, instant success and then if we are not beating the top four (like we obviously haven't done since day one of the PL) will just bay for the next managers head.

There, that's the kind of supporters your talking about, right? You're a bit confused about the real meaning of the word supporter i think.
You really really have no idea what you are talking about do you... You are spewing out the clichéd arguments whether they fit or not.

If you can't see why people want Sherwood out, then you need to go to a how to not bury your head sand and wave your ass at the sun supporter 101 class.

Shall we talk about the way he conducts himself, team selections and the crap that spews out of his mouth on a regular basis that continually proves the point that he is catastrophically way out of his depth...?

I would give him the time of day and a chance if he wasn't such a nasty, twisted, horrible bastard.
 

Black

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What worries me is the CB being allowed to take a throw in, in our half by the penalty box. Whats happened to the basic coaching? That's why clattermole found it easy to score.

Are you trying to blame the manager for players not useing common sense
 

Gaz_Gammon

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What worries me is the CB being allowed to take a throw in, in our half by the penalty box. Whats happened to the basic coaching? That's why clattermole found it easy to score.

The center back taking the throw had nothing to do with the goal. The fucking pass straight across the back line did. If you have to coach any player (let alone a defender) not to do that then he should be plying his trade in the Conference. I learned that at junior school and not at a multi-million pound professional PL football club.

The blame for that aberration lies firmly at the players feet.
 

SpursDave88

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You really really have no idea what you are talking about do you... You are spewing out the clichéd arguments whether they fit or not.

If you can't see why people want Sherwood out, then you need to go to a how to not bury your head sand and wave your ass at the sun supporter 101 class.

Shall we talk about the way he conducts himself, team selections and the crap that spews out of his mouth on a regular basis that continually proves the point that he is catastrophically way out of his depth...?

I would give him the time of day and a chance if he wasn't such a nasty, twisted, horrible bastard.


The other thing is people keep using the example of Rodgers and how he was given time in support of Sherwood being given the same, but the comparison is completely false. Rodgers took a team that finished 8th playing rubbish football, dramatically improved their style of play and improved their league position slightly in the first season, with a team that got progressively better the longer he was in charge, hence he earned the right to continue that work. This added to the fact that he had a Swansea side playing good football and overachieving. Conversely, Sherwood has no track record and has shown no sign of getting us to play the competent style we expect as a minimum. Added to the fact he has conducted himself in a highly unprofessional manner in the press, as well as publicly slating his players at every opportunity despite having not earned that right.
 

SpursDave88

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The center back taking the throw had nothing to do with the goal. The fucking pass straight across the back line did. If you have to coach any player (let alone a defender) not to do that then he should be plying his trade in the Conference. I learned that at junior school and not at a multi-million pound professional PL football club.

The blame for that aberration lies firmly at the players feet.

Lloris actually pointed to Kaboul to instruct Chiriches to play that pass. there is nothing wrong with a professional playing a slightly risky ball, it was just extremely poorly executed. The notion of "when in doubt, kick it out" which pervades all levels of English football is one of the main reason we are so far behind our European counterparts in producing technically gifted home grown footballers.
 

TheGreenLily

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The center back taking the throw had nothing to do with the goal. The fucking pass straight across the back line did. If you have to coach any player (let alone a defender) not to do that then he should be plying his trade in the Conference. I learned that at junior school and not at a multi-million pound professional PL football club.

The blame for that aberration lies firmly at the players feet.
Don't get me wrong... I kind of agree with you on this...

But if the CB had not taken the throw in... and been at the spot he should have been (next to Kaboul), then he would not have been in the position to make that terrible pass in the first place as he would have been next to Kaboul... It could be argued that the CB taking the throw in, did lead to the scoring a goal, as he was out of position, which he should never had been in the first place.

So it can be argued from a certain point of view, but that is not to say I don't disagree with you :)
 

TheGreenLily

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Lloris actually pointed to Kaboul to instruct Chiriches to play that pass. there is nothing wrong with a professional playing a slightly risky ball, it was just extremely poorly executed. The notion of "when in doubt, kick it out" which pervades all levels of English football is one of the main reason we are so far behind our European counterparts in producing technically gifted home grown footballers.
I agree with this too.
 

Gaz_Gammon

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The other thing is people keep using the example of Rodgers and how he was given time in support of Sherwood being given the same, but the comparison is completely false. Rodgers took a team that finished 8th playing rubbish football, dramatically improved their style of play and improved their league position slightly in the first season, with a team that got progressively better the longer he was in charge, hence he earned the right to continue that work. This added to the fact that he had a Swansea side playing good football and overachieving. Conversely, Sherwood has no track record and has shown no sign of getting us to play the competent style we expect as a minimum. Added to the fact he has conducted himself in a highly unprofessional manner in the press, as well as publicly slating his players at every opportunity despite having not earned that right.


When does a manager "earn that right" to say what he feels about the players? He said what we were all thinking after that Chel$ea game?

Can you imagine the shit-storm had that result been reversed? The Special One would have had a duck-fit. "Earning a right" is so much bullshit. Any manager "earns the right" once he's appointed.
 

Gaz_Gammon

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Don't get me wrong... I kind of agree with you on this...

But if the CB had not taken the throw in... and been at the spot he should have been (next to Kaboul), then he would not have been in the position to make that terrible pass in the first place as he would have been next to Kaboul... It could be argued that the CB taking the throw in, did lead to the scoring a goal, as he was out of position, which he should never had been in the first place.

So it can be argued from a certain point of view, but that is not to say I don't disagree with you :)



Not pissing on anyone's fire here but Rule 101 should be used. Cattermole would not have scored that goal had the ball been thumped two hundred feet up the pitch. Would have given the ball away but to someone in the Sunderland half of the pitch. No goal scoring opportunity.
 

TheGreenLily

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Not pissing on anyone's fire here but Rule 101 should be used. Cattermole would not have scored that goal had the ball been thumped two hundred feet up the pitch. Would have given the ball away but to someone in the Sunderland half of the pitch. No goal scoring opportunity.
Not really, if the pass was not so misplaced, it would have straight to Kaboul and no problems...

The choice of pass was not the problem, but rather the execution of it.
 

SpursDave88

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Not pissing on anyone's fire here but Rule 101 should be used. Cattermole would not have scored that goal had the ball been thumped two hundred feet up the pitch. Would have given the ball away but to someone in the Sunderland half of the pitch. No goal scoring opportunity.

Hindsight...if a player's first instinct is to constantly lump it up the pitch when confronted with opposition pressure than you have a traditional English kick and rush side...ie a poor one. If the first instinct is to play your way out of trouble them you are side that keeps the ball and if your players are technically good enough, over the course of a season this will win you more points than it will cost you. See Everton's first goal against Arsenal for an example of this.
 

SpursDave88

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When does a manager "earn that right" to say what he feels about the players? He said what we were all thinking after that Chel$ea game?

Can you imagine the shit-storm had that result been reversed? The Special One would have had a duck-fit. "Earning a right" is so much bullshit. Any manager "earns the right" once he's appointed.

How many top level managers publicly slate their players? It matters not whether he said what we were thinking, he can say it to their faces in the dressing room, it's his job to get the best out of his players not play up to the proles. If you had made a mistake in your job, would you work harder if your manager took you to one side and gave you a dressing down, or shouted you down in front of all your peers. The only managers that can sort of get away with it are Fergie, Wenger and Mourinho and they almost never do it...why do you think that is?
 
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Gaz_Gammon

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How many top level managers publicly slate their players? It matter not whether he said what we were thinking, he can say it to their faces in the dressing room, it's his job to get the best out of his players not play up to the proles. If you had made a mistake in your job, would you work harder if your manager took you to one side and gave you a dressing down, or shouted you down in front of all your peers. The only managers that can sort of get away with it are Fergie, Wenger and Mourinho and they almost never do it...why do you think that is?


Anchelotti, The Special One, Pelligermiiiiii, Simione, (excuse my spelling!) to name (very poorly) a few. Too much is read into this berating of players and naming names tosh. Let managers name and shame. The players will just have to slip into their Ferrari's, pull up at a night club and drink their depressions under the table. Poor mites.
 

scottlag10

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Woodgate. One player.


You must have Googled that because you were still in nappies when we won that.

Pray tell us all what happened the season after we won the Cup? Wan't that the season when Captain Ramos sunk us faster than the Titanic.

""Or is winning a Cup not progressing".............................errrrr NO, not that season. But you should Google that too.



Do you truly have any knowledge of our history, aside from soundbites?

Oh you really do get defensive when you get it wrong don't you.
Firstly Woodgate was one more than you thought of (and you have superior knowledge?)
Selling Berbatov and Keane was a major factor in our poor start to the 2008-9 season and Ramos departure.
Me...My great grandfather Henry Foxcroft was one of Jimmy Dimmocks best mates (you'll probably need to look him up). My Grandad Walter Lagdon was friends with many of the 50's team many of whom came to his wedding reception, he also knew Bobby Smith well. My Grandad , Father Paul and Uncle Mike knew many of the players 70's/80's and were responsible for looking after the players in 1981 and 1982 before and during the open top bus parade from Edmonton Town hall to Tottenham.
PS Still waiting for my apology about the 'Capoue comment' you credited me with but I didn't make, still time to man up
 

jolsnogross

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Shall we talk about the way he conducts himself, team selections and the crap that spews out of his mouth on a regular basis that continually proves the point that he is catastrophically way out of his depth...?

I would give him the time of day and a chance if he wasn't such a nasty, twisted, horrible bastard.

So nothing personal then? He doesn't pick the team you'd pick, is about the only football-based reason to sack him, in your opinion. The rest is just nonsense based on your own gullibility in believing a load of whispers and rumours, your own sensitivity about interviews that seem to hurt your delicate soul, or simple hatred.

He'll be gone soon enough, so you have something to look forward to until the next guy says something to offend your sensitive soul, doesn't fold his jacket neatly and place it on his seat, doesn't say nice things about a crap performance, and doesn't pick the 'greenlily team for guaranteed success'.
 

yankspurs

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So nothing personal then? He doesn't pick the team you'd pick, is about the only football-based reason to sack him, in your opinion. The rest is just nonsense based on your own gullibility in believing a load of whispers and rumours, your own sensitivity about interviews that seem to hurt your delicate soul, or simple hatred.

He'll be gone soon enough, so you have something to look forward to until the next guy says something to offend your sensitive soul, doesn't fold his jacket neatly and place it on his seat, doesn't say nice things about a crap performance, and doesn't pick the 'greenlily team for guaranteed success'.
Lol. Read his posts and the posts of many others in the Sherwood Out thread, mate. Selection is far from the only "football-based" reason that people want him gone.

Its hilarious how after this rare good performance against arguably the worst team in the PL, people suddenly think Sherwood is a good manager. Really makes me wonder.
 

degoose

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not sure if it has been posted but thought this was funny

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jolsnogross

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Lol. Read his posts and the posts of many others in the Sherwood Out thread, mate. Selection is far from the only "football-based" reason that people want him gone.

Its hilarious how after this rare good performance against arguably the worst team in the PL, people suddenly think Sherwood is a good manager. Really makes me wonder.

Even though I defend Sherwood against bile on here, I wouldn't say I've come to a decision on how good he is. I've much preferred the second half of this season compared to the first half, and we've scored way more goals because I think the manager has directly influenced how we play so that we're much more attacking. So I don't think he's done enough to be sacked, which is different to saying he's good after a 5-1. His record in the PL since he took over isn't bad at all. But he's also overseen games like Liverpool away, which was truly awful.

And I think the bile-filled Sherwood hatred dominates the tim-out agenda, not any convincing argument that he is doing a poor job motivating and setting up the team. I hear a lot of he's crap and there are many reasons and posts about it, but I rarely see those reasons and posts.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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Lol. Read his posts and the posts of many others in the Sherwood Out thread, mate. Selection is far from the only "football-based" reason that people want him gone.

Its hilarious how after this rare good performance against arguably the worst team in the PL, people suddenly think Sherwood is a good manager. Really makes me wonder.

I was thinking exactly this. It really does give you an insight into the fickleness of our fans.

I didn't read many positive comments from these people when we were getting our ass handed to us on a plate by Liverpool a few weeks back.
 
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