Tottenham Vs Sunderland: Match Thread

[Nine while nine]

not sure if it has been posted but thought this was funny

The look of a man who comes to the realisation that he's not good enough to play in a defence that's just shipped 5 goals against Tim Sherwood's Tottenham...

 

[yankspurs]

Even though I defend Sherwood against bile on here, I wouldn't say I've come to a decision on how good he is. I've much preferred the second half of this season compared to the first half, and we've scored way more goals because I think the manager has directly influenced how we play so that we're much more attacking. So I don't think he's done enough to be sacked, which is different to saying he's good after a 5-1. His record in the PL since he took over isn't bad at all. But he's also overseen games like Liverpool away, which was truly awful.

And I think the bile-filled Sherwood hatred dominates the tim-out agenda, not any convincing argument that he is doing a poor job motivating and setting up the team. I hear a lot of he's crap and there are many reasons and posts about it, but I rarely see those reasons and posts.

The whole record thing bugs me. IMO, you have to look at the record in all competitions(which is quite poor) and you also need to look at the overall performances of the team. When you look at the performances of the team, you see a string of horrible performances with a few minutes of brilliance from a few players when goals are scored. The only good performances we have put in have been against Stoke, Newcastle and Sunderland. That's not saying much. The fact we have gotten 10 or so wins under Sherwood points to how good of a squad we have. If we had a decent coach, things would be looking alot better than they are. All you have to do is take a look at Everton. We clearly have a better squad than them yet they will likely finish ahead of us and might even take 4th. Why do you think that is? They have a great manager, thats why.

 

[TheGreenLily]

The whole record thing bugs me. IMO, you have to look at the record in all competitions(which is quite poor) and you also need to look at the overall performances of the team. When you look at the performances of the team, you see a string of horrible performances with a few minutes of brilliance from a few players when goals are scored. The only good performances we have put in have been against Stoke, Newcastle and Sunderland. That's not saying much. The fact we have gotten 10 or so wins under Sherwood points to how good of a squad we have. If we had a decent coach, things would be looking alot better than they are. All you have to do is take a look at Everton. We clearly have a better squad than them yet they will likely finish ahead of us and might even take 4th. Why do you think that is? They have a great manager, thats why.

I wouldn't say great yet, but certainly good. Great may come in the future though.

 

[jolsnogross]

The whole record thing bugs me. IMO, you have to look at the record in all competitions(which is quite poor) and you also need to look at the overall performances of the team. When you look at the performances of the team, you see a string of horrible performances with a few minutes of brilliance from a few players when goals are scored. The only good performances we have put in have been against Stoke, Newcastle and Sunderland. That's not saying much. The fact we have gotten 10 or so wins under Sherwood points to how good of a squad we have. If we had a decent coach, things would be looking alot better than they are. All you have to do is take a look at Everton. We clearly have a better squad than them yet they will likely finish ahead of us and might even take 4th. Why do you think that is? They have a great manager, thats why.

I disagree and think you're applying a standard to Sherwood that is unrealistic and one you probably didn't apply to his predecessor. For example, the two games against Southampton were extremely enjoyable. Two 3-2s, lots of end-to-end football, fantastic ebb and flow, two decent teams doing good entertaining work. And we bettered them twice, including a 2-goal-down come back at home.

If you didn't enjoy those games and didn't think we played well, then it's not clear that footy is the hobby for you. If you think we should be playing with complete dominance every game (like the ones you listed), then you're applying an unrealistic standard.

Everton have looked good and their manager has done a grand job - the emergence of direct attacking threats like Barkley has been a joy to watch in many games. But they've still been beaten, even tonked, at critical junctures in the season. And for all the praise, and the universally accepted 'brilliant' season they're having, they're not that far ahead of us (having a universally accepted 'terrible' season).

I'd even say that Martinez is better than Sherwood, but again, that's not enough to justify sacking Sherwood.

 

[Mullers]

When was the last time we "tonked" a second rate team? Wigan at home?


Damage is always done before progress is made, or should Liverpool have fired Rogers for finishing seventh last season?

Were you rooting and tooting for a defeat last night because "the damage had already been done'?

Nope but then Rodgers isn't Sherwood is he? We have been humiliated in games against some of the top four this season. Sherwood needs time to learn his trade but he needs to do that somewhere else, this isn't the place for him. We can't afford to carry passengers. He needs to go before he does any further damage.

On the off chance that Levy does decide to keep him, then he should be given a longer contract, not one that screams caretaker.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Oh you really do get defensive when you get it wrong don't you.
Firstly Woodgate was one more than you thought of (and you have superior knowledge?)
Selling Berbatov and Keane was a major factor in our poor start to the 2008-9 season and Ramos departure.
Me...My great grandfather Henry Foxcroft was one of Jimmy Dimmocks best mates (you'll probably need to look him up). My Grandad Walter Lagdon was friends with many of the 50's team many of whom came to his wedding reception, he also knew Bobby Smith well. My Grandad , Father Paul and Uncle Mike knew many of the players 70's/80's and were responsible for looking after the players in 1981 and 1982 before and during the open top bus parade from Edmonton Town hall to Tottenham.
PS Still waiting for my apology about the 'Capoue comment' you credited me with but I didn't make, still time to man up

Ignore is a great function.

Goodbye.

 

[tiger666]

On the off chance that Levy does decide to keep him, then he should be given a longer contract, not one that screams caretaker.

I'm not sure the SC servers could handle that.

 

[TheSecretNonFootballer]

On the off chance that Levy does decide to keep him, then he should be given a longer contract, not one that screams caretaker.

Or give him a broom and scream caretaker at him.

 

[Mullers]

I'm not sure the SC servers could handle that.

Would be an interesting day though.

 

[Mr Pink]

I was thinking exactly this. It really does give you an insight into the fickleness of our fans.

I didn't read many positive comments from these people when we were getting our ass handed to us on a plate by Liverpool a few weeks back.

Its no surprise to me at all. Said in the match thread long before kick off that we'd probably pummel them.

Sherwood has done well against the lesser Clubs, its the bigger Clubs - where you need to have a game plan, and implement effective tactics which has been the problem for him.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Nope but then Rodgers isn't Sherwood is he? We have been humiliated in games against some of the top four this season. Sherwood needs time to learn his trade but he needs to do that somewhere else, this isn't the place for him. We can't afford to carry passengers. He needs to go before he does any further damage.

On the off chance that Levy does decide to keep him, then he should be given a longer contract, not one that screams caretaker.

Were we not 3-0 up at half time at home to Man Ure one season and lost 3-5.

Plllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssseeeeeeeeeeee find something new. Just once.

Have you not seen the way Arsenal have been destrooyed against the top four sides this season? Is Wenger still their?

Your expectations from this club of ours and actual reality know's no bounds does it?

 

[Mullers]

Were we not 3-0 up at half time at home to Man Ure one season and lost 3-5.

Plllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssseeeeeeeeeeee find something new. Just once.

Eh? So what you are saying is because we have been humiliated in the past, no one should complain when we get thrashed?

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Eh? So what you are saying is because we have been humiliated in the past, no one should complain when we get thrashed?

No i am not. What i am saying is that this team with whoever is in charge will (or would) suffer similar results at some point. Redknapp did, AVB did and Sherwood has. The thought that this current team for whatever reason are immune from being hummiliated every now and again is plain stupid. We just do not have the quality that the current top four have, or close to what the perennial top four have ever had. It's a money thing. plain and simple.

The more realistic among us realise that, and no amount of witch hunts, tar and feathering of past or current managers will change that. I would suspect that the vast majority would already realise that even LVG (if he was appointed) would not make a major change to the status quo.

 

[CrazyHeart]

This is getting ridiculous now - one win against THE bottom club at home, a case of beer and free pizza and all of a sudden everybody wants Sherwood to stay next season! Look, I like the guy too - but as a manager and spokesman he's just not cutting it!

 

[CrazyHeart]

I'd even say that Martinez is better than Sherwood, but again, that's not enough to justify sacking Sherwood.

Really? You'd even go that far?! Well hang my hat... give me a moment to get my pulse back to normal!

I'm curious though - since you were probably one of the malcontents asking for AVB's dismissal - (forgive me if I'm wrong on that)... either way- what will it take before you make the call that Sherwood isn't the right guy for us?

 

[SpursDave88]

I disagree and think you're applying a standard to Sherwood that is unrealistic and one you probably didn't apply to his predecessor. For example, the two games against Southampton were extremely enjoyable. Two 3-2s, lots of end-to-end football, fantastic ebb and flow, two decent teams doing good entertaining work. And we bettered them twice, including a 2-goal-down come back at home.

If you didn't enjoy those games and didn't think we played well, then it's not clear that footy is the hobby for you. If you think we should be playing with complete dominance every game (like the ones you listed), then you're applying an unrealistic standard.

Everton have looked good and their manager has done a grand job - the emergence of direct attacking threats like Barkley has been a joy to watch in many games. But they've still been beaten, even tonked, at critical junctures in the season. And for all the praise, and the universally accepted 'brilliant' season they're having, they're not that far ahead of us (having a universally accepted 'terrible' season).

I'd even say that Martinez is better than Sherwood, but again, that's not enough to justify sacking Sherwood.

Stupid thing to say, winning games by the skin of your teeth may be entertaining, but that doesn't make you a good side. The 3-3 between WBA and Cardiff was entertaining, would us drawing 3-3 at home to Cardiff make us a good team...I think not. Your statement about Everton being beaten is basically factually incorrect and implying a ridiculous unrealistic standard as they have lost fewer game than any other team in the league this season, including those above them...also who has "tonked" them this season? Liverpool once, is the only one that springs to mind. They are four points ahead of us with a game in hand despite having an overall inferior group of players and smaller squad.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

I was thinking exactly this. It really does give you an insight into the fickleness of our fans.

I didn't read many positive comments from these people when we were getting our ass handed to us on a plate by Liverpool a few weeks back.

You talking about us, Man Ure, Arsenal or Everton? Just wondering what you were expecting sort of thing?

 

[mpickard2087]

This is getting ridiculous now - one win against THE bottom club at home, a case of beer and free pizza and all of a sudden everybody wants Sherwood to stay next season! Look, I like the guy too - but as a manager and spokesman he's just not cutting it!

It's not like you to so wildly exaggerate...

 

[Spurger King]

My own view on the Sunderland performance is that the news of Sherwood's impending departure gave the players a boost. They looked so much more confident and relaxed. If I was working for a boss that I either didn't like or didn't rate, and I found out that they were leaving in a couple of months, my work-rate and general demeanour would probably improve too.

 

[thinktank]

My own view on the Sunderland performance is that the news of Sherwood's impending departure gave the players a boost. They looked so much more confident and relaxed. If I was working for a boss that I either didn't like or didn't rate, and I found out that they were leaving in a couple of months, my work-rate and general demeanour would probably improve too.

That...and sunderland were in sunday league mode.