Tottenham Vs West Brom: Match Thread

[Kendall]

bunch of total cockwombles in this thread.

we should have bought more players blah blah. Always the answer isnt it. Worked a treat for us last year didnt it. Working a treat for Liverpool as well.

Im glad as fuck we didnt go on a mad spending spree again.

I agree with you, but we simply have to get these players playing. Eriksen, Paulinho, Chiriches, Soldado, Capoue. There is no excuse now, they've bee here a year or more, they need to get their shit together and show some consistency and some bollocks.. Lamela and Chadli I am broadly happy with, even though the former tries far too hard to complicate things, they've clearly kicked on a bit from last season. In fact, Chadli looks our most dangerous goal threat, ghosting into the box.

Stambouli and Fazio will take time to adjust, unfortunately this is likely to take longer given that the team is about as settled as an IBS sufferer after 7 double espressos.

 

[Kendall]

Is this the same Liverpool that spanked us 3-0 and could and should have been more

Down 2 goals from last year.


Progress.

 

[Supersi32]

bunch of total cockwombles in this thread.

we should have bought more players blah blah. Always the answer isnt it. Worked a treat for us last year didnt it. Working a treat for Liverpool as well.

Im glad as fuck we didnt go on a mad spending spree again.

The problem is, who is culpable for those mediocre purchases last season, we absolutely wasted the Bale money.

 

[haydsmith]

bunch of total cockwombles in this thread.

we should have bought more players blah blah. Always the answer isnt it. Worked a treat for us last year didnt it. Working a treat for Liverpool as well.

Im glad as fuck we didnt go on a mad spending spree again.

Utter nonsense. Just because we bought several players one summer means you can never do so again? I would have said sticking with these dire forward players was a much bigger risk than trying to improve them. The Bale money was almost entirely wasted on players not close to good enough for the top 4, let alone to improve the team. The sooner everyone accepts that the better. I just cannot see how people are still making a case for some of these players! On what evidence?!

 

[Vulcan10]

Just a bit confused as to why we had another game of dier out of position, Kaboul & vlad after all the early signs were that poch's priority was to sort the defence out. What is going on with jan & surely west brom at home was the right start for
Fazio? If not why did we sign him?

Likewise has the lb situation been handled correctly? Had he been backed from the start maybe Davies would be up to speed now instead of low on confidence. I know rose has done ok in the lesser games but arsenal away is another matter entirely. We should have had our best back 4 up to speed by now.

The only positive seems to be that apart from his confusing defensive selections, no one is criticising the new manager for yet another painful home performance, if anything fans are starting to point the finger at those higher up.

Hopefully Poch has them in for treble training today, kind of a you don't want to work during the game you can damn well work now kind of thing. Lazy turds.

 

[Main Man]

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Utter nonsense. Just because we bought several players one summer means you can never do so again? I would have said sticking with these dire forward players was a much bigger risk than trying to improve them. The Bale money was almost entirely wasted on players not close to good enough for the top 4, let alone to improve the team. The sooner everyone accepts that the better. I just cannot see how people are still making a case for some of these players! On what evidence?!

There has been evidence that all our signings are capable of playing well.

But that is the problem.

Because all that summers signings have shown glimpses, it's almost easy for Baldini and co to say "see, that's what they can do" and for Levy to be the stubborn one who is sick of digging deep (in his opinion) and is expecting yet another manager to turn those glimpses into permanent form.

I am a realsitic Spurs fan though, we are exactly where we should be with this squad - but more worryingly, I don't see us attracting much better?

 

[CowInAComa]

Is this the same Liverpool that spanked us 3-0 and could and should have been more

Yeah that Liverpool that lost three in five after their spending spree.

Oh wait, beating spurs was their objective for the season? Money well spent, could've done it already cheaper though

 

[CowInAComa]

The problem is, who is culpable for those mediocre purchases last season, we absolutely wasted the Bale money.

You can't replace a world class player if you're a club of our size. Quantity never equals quality

 

[DaSpurs]

You can't replace a world class player if you're a club of our size. Quantity never equals quality

Very true, but we didn't have to replace him with world class players. All we needed to do was appropriately address needs, and ensure squad balance. In that regard, we very much failed in the summer of 2013. Some positions were sandbagged, while others were left criminally unadressed, and some positions we continued to add similar players.

 

[goughie1966]

Utter nonsense. Just because we bought several players one summer means you can never do so again? I would have said sticking with these dire forward players was a much bigger risk than trying to improve them. The Bale money was almost entirely wasted on players not close to good enough for the top 4, let alone to improve the team. The sooner everyone accepts that the better. I just cannot see how people are still making a case for some of these players! On what evidence?!

The same players that got 69 points last season while having two managers? That was just 3 points short of our record from the previous season which included a certain Gareth Bale? So this useless waste of money bunch of players got within 3 points of the team that included the great Bale in it. Dreadful......

 

[iluvsteffenfreund]

What you mean like telling all and sundry that Dembele is our best CM?
Are you saying he's crap now after yesterday?

Who is better than him ? And did I say he was crap ? Read the post before you reply u fanny

 

[iluvsteffenfreund]

If you're going to criticise a player, then at least have the common decency to check what you've written is correct.
He has 4 assists which is our top assister.
An opposing player has Recieved a yellow in every league game for fouls on Lamela.
He is the most fouled player in the EPL this season.
He puts in a shift every game I've seen.
So yes he tries hard and is productive.

Unfortunately for 30 million quid you need a bit more than putting a shift in! You could go out there and put a shift in couldn't you ? I know I would !

 

[Gb160]

Hopefully Poch has them in for treble training today, kind of a you don't want to work during the game you can damn well work now kind of thing. Lazy turds.

Well I can confirm that I saw Vlad about 30 mins ago entering the training ground...they've normally all fucked off home by then so I'm guessing the double/treble session thing might be happening....and bloody right too after that frankly shite performance yesterday.

 

[jolsnogross]

If you're going to criticise a player, then at least have the common decency to check what you've written is correct.
He has 4 assists which is our top assister.
An opposing player has Recieved a yellow in every league game for fouls on Lamela.
He is the most fouled player in the EPL this season.
He puts in a shift every game I've seen.
So yes he tries hard and is productive.

He had two assists against QPR but I don't know where the other two came from? In the Europa? Did he play in the 3-1 win over Limassol?

I think the jury is still out on Lamela. He doesn't seem direct enough for me, never charging into space and usually very reluctant to take his full back on one-on-one. Hopefully it's a confidence thing that'll change over time. I've never been a big fan of inverted wingers because they tend to move inside every time and then lay it off or lose it (or smash it into the stand in Townsend's case). Unless they have a real goal-scorers directness, like Remy. A bit of variety is best, but I watch him closely and he very rarely (if ever) takes the ball into a one-on-one situation on the wing even though you'd imagine he has bags of pace to skin his marker.

But the additional problem for Lamela is the fee around his neck. For 30 million, it's not unreasonable to expect a more complete player. Maybe it'll come, but it's a feature on this site for people to make a reflexive defense of him when others question his contribution to games.

 

[jezz]

Unfortunately for 30 million quid you need a bit more than putting a shift in! You could go out there and put a shift in couldn't you ? I know I would !

You would, try telling the other players then.
For a footballer you seem to lack the basic understanding that player's don't perform every single week.
I could certainly name a few player's that took a while to start producing, what they did though was put a shift in.
Something Lamela has been doing.
Did you perform every single game?

 

[iluvsteffenfreund]

You would, try telling the other players then.
For a footballer you seem to lack the basic understanding that player's don't perform every single week.
I could certainly name a few player's that took a while to start producing, what they did though was put a shift in.
Something Lamela has been doing.
Did you perform every single game?

Nope but I never represented my country and no one ever paid 30 million quid for me... Unfortunately you have to deal with that price tag and produce a bit more than what he has done so far, but if he keeps putting a shift in I'm sure you will be happy

 

[belsunz]

It's all down to mentality in my opinion. You could see we were in trouble right from the start of the game. Sloppy passes, giving away corners needlessly, no organized pressing. The players looked like they thought they could win it effortlessly. There are no easy games and you won't win games on 'talent'. Thats's what our players don't understand.

This taking it easy-mentality is surrounding us for too long now.

 

[diamondlight]

The same players that got 69 points last season while having two managers? That was just 3 points short of our record from the previous season which included a certain Gareth Bale? So this useless waste of money bunch of players got within 3 points of the team that included the great Bale in it. Dreadful......

Good point. Personally I'm inclined to attribute some of our success last season to Sherwood, even if he wasn't 'good with the media' - whatever that even means. Decent players, decent manager, decent league position. This was the season we could have pushed on - either the players or the manager might have improved, taking us to the next level - but typical Spurs we de-stablised everything, and now we're seeing the results.

 

[diamondlight]

If only... we had spent the Bale money on Benteke and Lukaku. I'd happily see us set up now 4.4.2 with Lennon and Townsend on the wings knocking crosses in for two proper finishers up front, with Huddlestone and Livermore pulling the strings in midfield, and Defoe and Kane on the bench. Something tells me that team would win just as many games as the current one, and would feel much more like 'our Spurs'.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

I was talking about Pochettino and the grumblings that have started on the back of a few dodgy results in the last couple of weeks. Just pointing out that it's too early to start down that road, do you disagree? You can be as angry as you like with Levy but there weren't too many complaints last summer when we signed "the beatles" and I don't see how he can be blamed for a lack of effort on the pitch? Yes he's ultimately responsible for signings but it's easy to critisize with the benefit of hindsight.

No doubt I'll be called a Levy lover or something along those lines now but as I've said before, I support the club not the board. I think the best thing for the club is to stick by the manager and players through hard times, if Cain Hoy can do better then great but too many people have their hopes up that this deal will even happen and are pinning all their hopes on it.

I am a firm believer that Poch will improve this team, i do however have a worry about his selections (after the EPL game) and thought that in picking the side yesterday he did not take WBA as a serious threat.

Why he appears to think that the CB pairing of Vlad and Kaboul is working is beyond me (and i guess most who witnessed the game yesterday).

Dier could and should have slotted in at CB and Naughton started at RB. That in my opinion was bloody obvious before a ball was kicked. No one wanted Naughton at left back last season but those same people say nothing when a CB plays at RB when we have a RB in the squad!

We do not need a third showing of this CB pairing for anyone including Poch to see that it's our weakest link. We simply have no one with pace in midfield or on the wing (yesterday) to play 4-2-3-1 and if proof of that were needed then look at any game under AVB. It is just like watching Groundhog Day. We failed to score against Liverpool, WBA ans in the EPL and two of these games were at home!

In your original post you did refer to Levy and that is where i responded with him in mind, but thought that i had made it clear. He has a hand in all of what we witnessed yesterday, and one that many fail to see i think.