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Tottenham Vs West Ham: Match Thread
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In the fast half they did typical Fat Sam's long ball game which I though we dealt with OK. When they took of Carlton Cole they started to play the ball more through the centre of midfield which lacked muscle and our centrebacks struggled to deal with the aerial threat specifically Vlad. Would love to have had Capoue playing in midfield rather than CB.
In truth the game could have gone the other way but one thing I never understand is why we score and the go into our shells and invite pressure. Just keep going for the second. Defoe was offside many times and is too small to be used as a target player. Should have been off rather than Ade who was all over the pitch and doing his bit for the cause. Best player by a long way.
Shame Townsend is out but he had a pretty poor game. Playing surface maybe but also the inability to release the ball at the right time and work for the team.
Our CB's were outmuscled in the air again and again and when they equalised we lost all confidence and 'blew up' (nice one Tim) because we are so fragile.
When we were chasing for the equaliser, Fryers was scared to even look at the goal attacking on the left, instead passing it to Chadli who I think did not do one thing right especially finishing the chance put on a plate by Defoe. Worst player on the pitch. Nearly caused a goal with his first touch. Witness to 2 more. Absolutely awful!!
Apart from the result I did enjoy the match in parts but in others same old same old. Why did we sell Caulker because we will now go in the market for another CB we have to bed in.
Early doors in the next chapter or THFC. Fingers crossed somebody can take the reigns and make good with this 'talented' squad.
In truth the game could have gone the other way but one thing I never understand is why we score and the go into our shells and invite pressure. Just keep going for the second. Defoe was offside many times and is too small to be used as a target player. Should have been off rather than Ade who was all over the pitch and doing his bit for the cause. Best player by a long way.
Shame Townsend is out but he had a pretty poor game. Playing surface maybe but also the inability to release the ball at the right time and work for the team.
Our CB's were outmuscled in the air again and again and when they equalised we lost all confidence and 'blew up' (nice one Tim) because we are so fragile.
When we were chasing for the equaliser, Fryers was scared to even look at the goal attacking on the left, instead passing it to Chadli who I think did not do one thing right especially finishing the chance put on a plate by Defoe. Worst player on the pitch. Nearly caused a goal with his first touch. Witness to 2 more. Absolutely awful!!
Apart from the result I did enjoy the match in parts but in others same old same old. Why did we sell Caulker because we will now go in the market for another CB we have to bed in.
Early doors in the next chapter or THFC. Fingers crossed somebody can take the reigns and make good with this 'talented' squad.
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The last thing I'd call it is experimental. A super simple 4-4-2, little and large up front and get stuck into them. Apart from the defence it was a team full of premiership experience, most of whom have loads of spurs appearances. That is perhaps admirable for a caretaker - keep it simple, but it kind of felt to me like the man in the pub response to frustration with AVB's tactics. Ditch the European bollocks and get it in the box.
It was what I was worried about because we seem to have this habit over the years of lurching from trying to be progressive and continental at one moment, then back to traditional English the next. Last night looked like Harry lite. The problem being we don't have a squad as well suited to that style as we did 2 seasons ago.
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What exactly was progressive about our style of play under AVB? There's no use trying to play a system or 'philosophy' when you don't have the players to fulfil the roles adequately.
He had a great season in a weak league which made his name along with (the second rate competition that is) the Europa League, he also had players like Hulk, Falcao, Alvaro Pereira, Rolando, Otamendi, Guarin, James Rodriguez, Cristian Rodriguez and Varela, with Hulk and Falcao in particularly blistering form.
You know where we'd be with two forwards banging in 70+ a season? A lot fucking more successful, that's where...he had a lot of talent in that squad and it clicked, I don't think he's as good a tactician or coach as a lot of armchair experts here would make him out to be, did you not watch us this season? Was last night so much worse considering the players we had out?
On the eve of the Europa League semi final AVB said this:
“People think I am the next one but I am not the next one,” he says. “I am a normal coach who benefits from having top players and one day I will not benefit from having this type of talent. I am not the Special One. Maybe, then, I will be The S--- One.”
He had a great season in a weak league which made his name along with (the second rate competition that is) the Europa League, he also had players like Hulk, Falcao, Alvaro Pereira, Rolando, Otamendi, Guarin, James Rodriguez, Cristian Rodriguez and Varela, with Hulk and Falcao in particularly blistering form.
You know where we'd be with two forwards banging in 70+ a season? A lot fucking more successful, that's where...he had a lot of talent in that squad and it clicked, I don't think he's as good a tactician or coach as a lot of armchair experts here would make him out to be, did you not watch us this season? Was last night so much worse considering the players we had out?
On the eve of the Europa League semi final AVB said this:
“People think I am the next one but I am not the next one,” he says. “I am a normal coach who benefits from having top players and one day I will not benefit from having this type of talent. I am not the Special One. Maybe, then, I will be The S--- One.”
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So 3 CB's out (Dawson - suspended, Kaboul and Vertonghen injured), Rose just back from inury and 2 CM's out (Paulhino suspended, Sandro injured)..
So that pretty much determined the defence and central midfield, once it was decided to leave Naughton out of LB contension, Capoue had to fall back into the CB position - there were no other fit players for thise positions.
Lloris,
Walker, Capoue, Chiriches, Rose (sub Fryers 62),
Dembele, Sigurdsson or Holtby.
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I'm not saying AVB was or was not progressive, I just mean the modern European coaches that obviously appeal to Levy - Ramos, AVB and the European DOF 'thinkers' like Arnesen and Commolli. I think he wants to emulate an Ajax or Dortmund but doesn't seem to have the patience.
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That looks bad. Capoue is a liability at the back, but as a CDM his excellent.
With that defence, the Saints are going to cut through us like a hot knife to a butter. If a shit West Ham can get double our shots, we might as well surrender our points to them.
Or play really offensive and rely on our offensive talents to take the heat off the back.
I'd love to see Lamela (replaced Townsend as he's injured) - Soldado - Lennon, and behind Eriksen, Holtby and Dembele.
Or play Chadli for Lamela as he's better work-rate and does the chasing when he loses the ball, plus more protection for the just recovered Rose.
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We certainly need another CB back for the weekend - Capoue is ok as an emergeny CB but lacks the positional sense, and tends to instinctively play too far forward like the DM he is.
Think its either Lamela or Lennon as neither look good on the left, so will need to be Chadli on the left if Townsend is out, as the only other candidate is Sigurdssen who isn't a natural for that position.
If we do have a CB back, 3 from Capoue, Dembele, Holtby, Eriksen and even Sigurdssen
Soldado up front, but with Adebayor on the bench to come on during the second half - we need to keep both our main strikers happy.
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Maybe just maybe that isn't too far from the truth eh?
And no, I'm not Neil Ashton.
Is that hypothesis difficult for you to believe at this point?
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Can't link as it was on my girlfriends facebook timeline, Tottenham page from glory glory there is a quote from Sigurdsson, not sure where the interview was from.
"I can count on the fingers of one hand the times i have played in midfield, it's ok to play on the wing for two or three months if someone is injured. But being there for 1 and a half years is hard".
Could be one of reasons why TS played him CM in this game, and fairly damning of the Boas.
"I can count on the fingers of one hand the times i have played in midfield, it's ok to play on the wing for two or three months if someone is injured. But being there for 1 and a half years is hard".
Could be one of reasons why TS played him CM in this game, and fairly damning of the Boas.
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Thats the most sense I have ever heard from his lips.
Look at the team he had at Porto,those players didn't need a manager all they needed was someone to throw them a bottle of water every now and then.
You might be right that AVB didn't have the players to fulfill the roles in his system adequately. But he was trying to assemble it. And that was, according to Levy, the terms under which he was brought to the club.
Prior to last season we had sold two of our three best players in Modric and VdV. Anyway, we achieved the highest point tally that we ever had. In addition to this, we scored 66 goals which has only been beaten in one season in our history in the PL. And we didn't even get 1 penalty. We created the second most chances in the Premier League only beaten by Liverpool.
Some of our displays were terrible and we especially struggled breaking down opponents at home. In away games our goal tally was really decent. To sum up we were genuinely unlucky not to reach the Champions League, though we were surrounded by teams with higher spending and a better squad.
Simply denouncing AVB's season with Porto as a consequence of "good players" is an extremely simplistic way of arguing. If that is true - what is the problem with our team now? Isn't it good players? Didn't AVB have a good squad in Chelsea? I presume, that if AVB is possible of making mistakes with a great squad, he is also capable of making correct decisions with a good squad? Or is the situation simply, that whatever goes wrong is AVB's fault and whatever goes right is caused by success from individual players?
I would enjoy reading concrete criticism of the concepts that AVB was trying to implement, because I don't think there is much which is subtle. There is a lot of relevant criticism regarding his team selections, transfer strategy and how he implemented the philosophy, but I really think we should stick to it as our tactical foundation for now. But that will probably not happen as Sherwood seems set to commit his revolution.
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