Tottenham weighing up whether to challenge Son Heung-min's red card

[dondo]

No way the FA will overturn this decision.
It has to been a clear and obvious mistake, this was not

 

[teedee]

Well we've all but made the top 4 now.

Let's just leave it and learn our lesson.

Wasnt it a touch of I'll discipline that cost us the title challenge a few years back?

The club should appeal. Son was stupid, but Lerma grossly over-reacted. An appeal may reduce the ban to one match, which would be fair.

 

[robin09]

You can't raise your hands and push an opponent. Son got played. Wound up by an off the ball incident, and reacted.

Instead of appealing the red card, we should be looking at what led to the dismissal and maybe employ some of those tactics when we're facing tough opposition. In this case, it pretty much directly led to 3 points for Bournemouth.

I'm fed up of Spurs never being as keen to surround the ref or wind up an opponent, those are often the differences in an even game.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Son's reaction gave the ref no choice. It won't be over turned. Best we can hope for is that they review Lerma's stamp and earlier obstruction and retrospectively discipline him.

VAR next season will be disruptive, but very much clear up a lot of this nonsense.

 

[Jenko]

Yeah I fucking love VAR. Might grow to dislike it someday if it's done wrong but fed up to fuck of these conversations wondering why a ref made a certain decision. The answer almost certainly is always cos the ref was fucking guessing what happened.

 

[ostrov]

They must consider a provocation from Lerma and it was out of character from Son.

 

[Japhet]

Provocation is no excuse. There are countless examples of players reacting to provocation and getting disciplined. The only thing to debate is whether Lerma should get any punishment, and tbh, I really couldn't give a toss. What Lerma did affected us but any action will almost certainly benefit somebody other than us.

 

[glacierSpurs]

How can VAR be of help next season? It still takes the decision of the ref to review right?

Refs against is the problem, not the system.

 

[UbeAstard]

How often are people sent off for a shove? It seems to happen most matches and right under the refs noses. They are very inconsistent in the way they enforce it.

lerma's reaction is what did it.

 

[spursfan77]

Dan Kirkpatrick of the standard saying we have appealed it

 

[chrissivad]

The club should appeal. Son was stupid, but Lerma grossly over-reacted. An appeal may reduce the ban to one match, which would be fair.

You can't appeal to reduce the ban, its either a red or not.

And there is no way this is being overturned.

 

[fedupyid]

Should definitely appeal. It was not a red. Pawson sent off the wrong player. If that was a red Stirling should have been sent off three times when we played city at the Ethiad in the league.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

If you go back and watch the carnage after the 3.6 roll from Lerma, Sonny gets hit with a shove from someone ...

Said it Saturday and will say it again today, Pawson created everything that happened Saturday by not being strong enough prior to Son doing what he did.

If he had dealt with Lerma in the off the ball incident in the middle of the pitch which he saw, didn't blow for, and then stopped play after Bournemouth won possession, combined with the Dier challenges he wouldn't have ended up being bullied by that roaring, overpowering crowd at Bournemouth.

Players are made to be accountable on a regular basis or made a point out of via the media when it suits, any chance the Refs can be held to the same standard? Like footballers, they are paid as a professionals. Plenty of teams this year could take issue with with some of the displays they have seen.

No idea why we're appealing it, the FA won't over turn it, they'll hide behind the usual guff, can't throw their own under the bus.

 

[spud]

You can't appeal to reduce the ban, its either a red or not.

You can. The red card will stand, but the ban could be reduced from the standard three games to either one or two.

 

[spud]

Much was made of the fact that Dier didn't touch the ball in the challenge that 'should' have seen him get a second yellow card. Nobody seemed to notice that he didn't touch his opponent either. He made a sliding challenge that didn't connect with anything.

Since writing that I saw monday's 'Premier League Today'. In the Ref Watch section they spent some time talking about some incidents from the Bournemouth game, including Dier's sliding tackle. Not one of Don Hutchison, Dion Dublin, host Mark Pogatch or guest former ref Dermot Gallagher made mention of the fact (yes, fact) that Dier never touched the Bournemouth player, who threw himself to the ground. They simply concentrated on whether he touched the ball.

If with the benefit of two days and innumerable video replays a group of 'experts' reviewing the incident don't even consider the critical part of an incident to establish whether a foul occurred what chance have we got?

 

[teedee]

You can't appeal to reduce the ban, its either a red or not.

And there is no way this is being overturned.

I didn't say appeal to reduce the ban. I said to appeal the red card and it is possible, in light of the provocation and over-reacion by Lerma, that the ban may be reduced. In addition it may prompt the FA to look at Lerma's actions.

 

[chrissivad]

You can. The red card will stand, but the ban could be reduced from the standard three games to either one or two.

Isn't a red card for violent conduct a straight 3 game ban? Or can you now challange the length of the ban rather than the red?

 

[mawspurs]

Is a push considered violent conduct? Seems harsh considering the provocation.

 

[spud]

Isn't a red card for violent conduct a straight 3 game ban? Or can you now challange the length of the ban rather than the red?

My understanding is that the standard ban for any straight red for 'violent conduct' is three games. However, as some conduct is more 'violent' than others, a three-game ban isn't always appropriate (some might deserve more, some less), so the length of the ban can be appealed. So clubs have the ability to appeal either the validity of the red card or the length of the resulting ban.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Isn't a red card for violent conduct a straight 3 game ban? Or can you now challange the length of the ban rather than the red?

The length of a suspension for a player shown a red card varies according to the severity of the foul.

For example, a sending off due to a second yellow card will result in a one-match ban, as will a red card received for a professional foul.

Dissent leading to a red card will generally earn a two-match ban, while violent conduct can be punished with a suspension for three games.

Of course, each case is examined based on its own merits and bans may be reduced or extended

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.go...card-bans-work-in-/1e6awd5os0a031pri0kcq3eu0c