Transfer Forums - suggestions and feedback

Rob

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You've got a couple of days until we close this forum and we said we'd listen to any feedback and suggestions for next time.

We'll definitely listen to all the suggestions but please bear in mind:
  • We've been doing this for over a decade now, we've tried LOTS of different approaches to this forum so if we dismiss an idea it's because we tried it and it didn't work.
  • We need something that works for all of the thousands of users on here so we can't necessarily implement your idea just because it's what you'd prefer.
  • At the end of the day, we need something that's a compromise between what everyone individually wants, what we can practically achieve and what we actually want ourselves. This means it'll never be perfect.
Having said that, if you have any suggestions then let us know below.
 

agrdavidsfan

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Thinking maybe we need just like the ITK discussion thread a Twitter Discussion thread, as that seems to be where people make the confusion and post things in the read only where ITK gets locked.

Another suggestion I am not sure if it is possible on here I know it is on other sites?

How about all the verified ITK's on spurscommunity get a thread that everyone can see but only they have access to post into so when they have info instead of it getting swallowed up it gets posted in there and nobody can hammer that thread then with questions or no info get's lost as its posted in there.

As often this year I have found im scrolling through the the discussion thread to look for itk from hercules or someone else and as it is not in the read only you miss it and then it results in 100's of posts asking what info where is it? then about 20 people will quote the actual info to bring it to the attention of the other members.

If with this system say we had a thread called ITK Retreat - Hercules,JJ,Trix etc are the only ones able to post in it we could scroll through the thread and easily pick out the new ITK.

Another suggestion I remember ages ago on here we had like a ITK tracker with their success rate maybe we could implement something like that again.

I also actually think, A&C has done brilliantly this year towards the end of the window he seemed to relax with the rules and I think the whole forum took a lift with it, a lot of people seemed to donate more freely? There was one day where the ITK discussion thread was pure gold thanks to A&C just letting it roll!.

Another, suggestion maybe donaters should get like a special badge or something when they donate a certain amount? you know where you guys have admin badges maybe they could have like a platinum donater,bronze donater etc badge. Think it would encourage donations for the site.
 

wishkah

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#3
Firstly on my half ITK last night. I've responded to Rob but we (banks) received notice of an intent to withdraw funds. This happens a lot all over the world but given it's deadline day it's like a fire drill for our operations teams to ping money out asap. You get the sending and receiving banks details together and get ready to rock and roll. given you are giving the receiving banks details you assume there is no smoke without fire. obviously doesn't mean the payment is happening though hence I stay clear of ITK tags.

Thanks to Andy for texting me during the theatre, and apologies for my rubbish replies back



Per thoughts - great threads over the window. I was struggling not to spam them with crap witty responses so the threat of banning clearly works.
 

Lilbaz

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Thinking maybe we need just like the ITK discussion thread a Twitter Discussion thread, as that seems to be where people make the confusion and post things in the read only where ITK gets locked.

Another suggestion I am not sure if it is possible on here I know it is on other sites?

How about all the verified ITK's on spurscommunity get a thread that everyone can see but only they have access to post into so when they have info instead of it getting swallowed up it gets posted in there and nobody can hammer that thread then with questions or no info get's lost as its posted in there.

As often this year I have found im scrolling through the the discussion thread to look for itk from hercules or someone else and as it is not in the read only you miss it and then it results in 100's of posts asking what info where is it? then about 20 people will quote the actual info to bring it to the attention of the other members.

If with this system say we had a thread called ITK Retreat - Hercules,JJ,Trix etc are the only ones able to post in it we could scroll through the thread and easily pick out the new ITK.

Another suggestion I remember ages ago on here we had like a ITK tracker with their success rate maybe we could implement something like that again.

I also actually think, A&C has done brilliantly this year towards the end of the window he seemed to relax with the rules and I think the whole forum took a lift with it, a lot of people seemed to donate more freely? There was one day where the ITK discussion thread was pure gold thanks to A&C just letting it roll!.

Another, suggestion maybe donaters should get like a special badge or something when they donate a certain amount? you know where you guys have admin badges maybe they could have like a platinum donater,bronze donater etc badge. Think it would encourage donations for the site.
The twitter thread was tried and failed.
Ss59 tried to do the itk tracker but it was impossible.
We also have the ro for itk. It should go in there first. But for some reason people don't put it in there first.
 

Rob

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Thinking maybe we need just like the ITK discussion thread a Twitter Discussion thread, as that seems to be where people make the confusion and post things in the read only where ITK gets locked.
We know we need to do something about twitter but we're not sure yet. This isn't helped by people not being able to follow simple rules though.

How about all the verified ITK's on spurscommunity get a thread that everyone can see but only they have access to post into so when they have info instead of it getting swallowed up it gets posted in there and nobody can hammer that thread then with questions or no info get's lost as its posted in there.
Anything posted should be going in the RO. So much was missed from the RO this summer and it's down to you guys to post it in there. I don't know why you all stopped but barely anything made it in. Unless it's specifically asked not to be in there it should be submitted to it.

We want a better system of highlighting ITK in the discussion thread and we'll work on that.


Another suggestion I remember ages ago on here we had like a ITK tracker with their success rate maybe we could implement something like that again.
This doesn't work. For example (and I have hundreds of them), we had 2 great sources name Gomes as a target a few days before it broke. They're clearly ITK and we were definitely in for him but he didn't sign. How do we score them? How about if Sky hadn't broke the story so we're none the wiser if it was real or not. Do we score them differently?

I also actually think, A&C has done brilliantly this year towards the end of the window he seemed to relax with the rules and I think the whole forum took a lift with it, a lot of people seemed to donate more freely? There was one day where the ITK discussion thread was pure gold thanks to A&C just letting it roll!.
This is interesting as I saw the exact opposite. When A&C didn't keep things strict for a few days, the number of people complaining about the spam in the discussion thread and not being able to follow anything sky-rocketed. Like I said above it's a balance but what you thought was "pure gold", a load of people hated.

Another, suggestion maybe donaters should get like a special badge or something when they donate a certain amount? you know where you guys have admin badges maybe they could have like a platinum donater,bronze donater etc badge. Think it would encourage donations for the site.
Our donation system sucks as it isn't tied to your username like it used to be on the old forums so unless your email here matches your paypal email then we can't even work out who's who. I'll try to come up with a way to solve this (it's been on my list a long time!).

Thanks for the comments!
 

Lilbaz

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Maybe not have the ro be ro?

Each piece of itk gets it's own thread (as it should do now) and people just reply to that piece of itk?
 

Jody

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Big thanks first of all.

Is the ITK discussion thread there because some ITK prefer info to be a bit more hidden rather than in the read only forum?
 

Rob

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Big thanks first of all.

Is the ITK discussion thread there because some ITK prefer info to be a bit more hidden rather than in the read only forum?
No, it shouldn't be. All ITK should be in the RO. If it's meant to be "hidden" they should use The Goat instead.
 

Jody

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No, it shouldn't be. All ITK should be in the RO. If it's meant to be "hidden" they should use The Goat instead.
Ah, thanks.In that case I'd probably go with the suggestion above about opening up the read only for the discussion of each bit rather than a whole thread to discuss all the info. That can get a bit confusing at times eg if you come in late there could be a few different bits being discussed across a single page. Its also good to go back and discuss itk from earlier in the window and this could help that. Everything else goes in the player threads eg I like him/don't like him, formations etc. Easier to stay on topic for that piece of ITK too so less moderating.
 

agrdavidsfan

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We know we need to do something about twitter but we're not sure yet. This isn't helped by people not being able to follow simple rules though.



Anything posted should be going in the RO. So much was missed from the RO this summer and it's down to you guys to post it in there. I don't know why you all stopped but barely anything made it in. Unless it's specifically asked not to be in there it should be submitted to it.

We want a better system of highlighting ITK in the discussion thread and we'll work on that.




This doesn't work. For example (and I have hundreds of them), we had 2 great sources name Gomes as a target a few days before it broke. They're clearly ITK and we were definitely in for him but he didn't sign. How do we score them? How about if Sky hadn't broke the story so we're none the wiser if it was real or not. Do we score them differently?



This is interesting as I saw the exact opposite. When A&C didn't keep things strict for a few days, the number of people complaining about the spam in the discussion thread and not being able to follow anything sky-rocketed. Like I said above it's a balance but what you thought was "pure gold", a load of people hated.



Our donation system sucks as it isn't tied to your username like it used to be on the old forums so unless your email here matches your paypal email then we can't even work out who's who. I'll try to come up with a way to solve this (it's been on my list a long time!).

Thanks for the comments!
Thanks for the reply,

I think people stopped posting it in the read only because a lot of ITK's were requesting it does not go in there so it caused a bit of confusion on a whole with it. I think thats where people lost track of ITK in the discussion thread then. But like you said if the ITK does not want the ITK to be public they should be using the GOAT and I think in the long term thats a much better idea. Only system I could see maybe improving it would be if ITK is posted maybe a mod can add it to the front page of that days thread?.

The twitter one is difficult I agree with you as twitter does have all kinds of crap and the thread could just turn into a whitewash. Maybe we as a community compile a list of verfied twitter sources that are trust worthy and only agree to post them in a said twitter thread. Much like we dont allow tribal football links ETC.

Interesting with regards to what you say about the thread's but honestly I think on a few of the days the mods relaxed and left a bit of fun in there with some cryptics or ITK like A&C's itk you had to highlight that was brilliant genius I thought. As everyone was enjoying and as it's a community when everyone is interacting positively its a great place to be.

As for donation's that's good news!, maybe we could also look into the near future to maybe start back some of the old SC things like the 5 a side tournaments or annual meet ups to further improve the donation drive, so we can all relax and know the forums will be here for a long time to come :).
 

shoggy33

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Just the addition of a general spurs transfers discussion thread, given that you guys have to spend 90% of your time stopping the ITK thread turning into one.
 

Univarn

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#12
As someone who was new to the site this window first I want to thank you all for such an amazing site and I'll crank up a donation later today. (y)

The thing I found is something you already elluded to - when A&C wasn't around things got out of hand quick and we ended up with a few people's 'hunches' living on the entire summer as itk gospel ("didn't we have itk about a player regretting" :banghead:). I really enjoy the back and forth debates so I would hate for those to disappear entirely but perhaps a way to easily tell if someone is certified ITK or just chatting out their rear (which most, like me, are). If other suggestions are done and there is less ITK on page 11 between a bum joke and a 200 word essay on why the itk means Messi then that probably works the same.

Cheers!
 
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This is a technical thing so maybe not possible but it could be good if there was an ITK rating. At the least this could encourage people to easily highlight pieces of information so that it could be put into the RO.

Even better, but possibly more unlikely, would be if there was then a way for users to quickly navigate between posts flagged with the ITK rating (e.g, prev ITK, next ITK).
 

TaoistMonkey

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@Archibald&Crooks will tell you I love a bit of Twitter. I remember managing a thread a few windows back and it was tough.

I'd like to see two threads going...

Pinch Of Salt: Verified ITK which you can put a bit of faith into.

Extra Salt: Nonsense ITK that you can believe at your own will. This will stop the proper thread from getting chuffed.

The "Extra Salt" will only work on deadline day though.
 

Rob

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This is a technical thing so maybe not possible but it could be good if there was an ITK rating. At the least this could encourage people to easily highlight pieces of information so that it could be put into the RO.

Even better, but possibly more unlikely, would be if there was then a way for users to quickly navigate between posts flagged with the ITK rating (e.g, prev ITK, next ITK).
I've been thinking the same thing. Whilst we could probably do that, my concern is all the crap that people would rate as ITK which would stop it working.
 

LukaMotion

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Fantastic work as usual over the whole transfer window from all the mods and ITK mongers. If I could make one suggestion it's to give the mods and select individuals like Dov, JJ, Igi, Herc etc. a way of standing out whenever they post, such as having a coloured background, a coloured box around the profile pic or something similar. Then it would also be great to have a filter that can applied to the ITK threads that shows only the posts from those selected people. That way if you come into the thread half way through the day, rather than spending an hour crawling through the banter/shitposting to see what itk has been posted you can filter to see all the ITK/mod comments from the day and catch-up in no time.

I appreciate this is essentially what the RO does however as you said Rob, stuff doesn't always make it in there that should and this would eliminate that problem.
 

nailsy

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I was going to ask for a thread like this to be opened so thanks Rob.

A few suggestions...

Can we have a separate Guess the player thread for cryptics and vague ITK? Most people want to take a guess at who the player is, just so they can say "I told you so" if they're right but it clogs up the ITK thread for days. If we had a separate thread where everyone could just post a name then everyone gets to play. I'd make it clear that the thread was just for posting a name and that any explanations/discussion would be deleted.

And can we have a new warning system for going off topic in the ITK thread? It's so easy to do, sometimes without even realising that you are doing it. Can I suggest a yellow card/red card kind of thing where it's clear to everyone reading through the thread that people have been warned and banned for certain posts.
 
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