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LamelasLeftBoot

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@Rob your posts in here imply an itk discussion thread is redundant as most itk is about players therefore any discussion of it should be done in the player thread.

This leaves any itk that can be discussed in the discussion thread being wishy washy itk such as poch wants 3 in, rwb lm and gk, and the only feasible discussion around that is opinions on whether we need that or who they could be which is against the rules

I know it sounds dumb but I am put off from posting in the itk discussion thread as the rules in my eyes pretty much state that nothing can be discussed there. Could we maybe have some contextual examples of allowable and disallowed posts in the rules? This would help people who aren't quite sure but wanting to contribute to know what they can post without taking the piss
 

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There are hundreds of daily discussion threads full of thousands of posts. Are they not example enough?
 

LamelasLeftBoot

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There are hundreds of daily discussion threads full of thousands of posts. Are they not example enough?
To me no because as I stated a lot of it might as well be in the player threads, or is speculating which the rules state isn't allowed. You even said earlier in this thread that discussion of a player and the impacts of signing them belongs in the player thread. Therefore that and the rules completely contradicts what gets posted in the threads and leads to people being confused about what can get posted where due to such ambiguity.

I'm not trying to start an argument, and I appreciate the hard work you and the other mods put in, but it seems clear that it really isn't clear what can be posted in the itk discussion thread
 

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Maybe the confusion is that the discussion threads are "live" things and only get used for the day. The player threads are more permanent.

If we have ITK on a player, that ITK about the player is discussed in the ITK thread but that then quickly changes to the next piece of ITK about the next player. The topic is constantly changing. If you want to carry on a more detailed discussion about a player, then the player thread is the place for it because the ITK discussion thread will have moved on.

We'll try to make this clearer.
 

LamelasLeftBoot

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There are hundreds of daily discussion threads full of thousands of posts. Are they not example enough?
@Rob for example the first page of this thread http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...y-itk-discussion-thread-1st-july-2017.129178/ is barely itk related and would be more at home in a general transfer discussion thread, so it's no wonder people get confused when this is allowed (such as saying if walker goes I think we will move quick on a right back) on a slow news day, that people think that sort of stuff is ok when itk links is with a player and start staying opinions such as if we sign x like trix suggests then surely we will sell y etc.
 

LamelasLeftBoot

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Maybe the confusion is that the discussion threads are "live" things and only get used for the day. The player threads are more permanent.

If we have ITK on a player, that ITK about the player is discussed in the ITK thread but that then quickly changes to the next piece of ITK about the next player. The topic is constantly changing. If you want to carry on a more detailed discussion about a player, then the player thread is the place for it because the ITK discussion thread will have moved on.

We'll try to make this clearer.
Ahhh crap I missed this just as I posted my other reply. Yes that has made it massively clearer to me what sort of things I can post in the itk discussion thread
 

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Maybe a separate name guessing thread? So when ITK says "Cornetto", we can go to one separate thread and write like our lives depend on it about how that must mean a player from Nice. "The ITK guess shite thread".
 

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Read through the 1st 3 pages and cant get through 8 more....

I found it baffling that the Transfer Wishlist thread gets closed when the transfer rumours thread is reopened.

Why not move it from Spurs Chat to this part of the Forum.
 

Khilari

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Firstly, thanks for all the hard work in running this place. Awesome.

This year, I hardly used the ITK threads. It was too much hard work. Cryptic clues especially made a lot of the reading dull for me and I didn't bother. 2, maybe 3 people know which players are being talked about whilst the rest of us generate 50 pages of random name generators only for someone to then say "no you're wrong". Was too hard for me to get through so I generally avoided it.

I'd like a single thread that's locked, and just updated with ITK comments. If people want to then comment, they can do that in a transfer window thread, but at least all the ITK is summarised in one place. I think someone already suggested a RO ITK thread.

Also, I don't see the point in cryptic clues, but I guess that's personal choice.
 

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Rob, A&C, Stoof etc - you make this site the best Spurs affiliated site by miles, so be careful of how much you change when listening to us guys. This site is like a drug particularly when transfer window open, and fixes seem to be needed at ever decreasing intervals.

To keep all happy would seem to be impossible, but it would seem that individuals are asking for 2 distinct types of ITK thread - one almost clinical which discusses the ITK information only so would be heavily moderated, whilst there is another which allows a more wider discussion and which could be spammed galore and would meander all over the place. There would then also be the Individual Player threads. This should then allow us more choice without the risk of being banned.

The highlighting of ITK works wonders - but it should all make it's way to RO.

One suggestion have seen is that cryptics should be set up as distinct topics - to which would have to agree because the Jehova one is typical where there were a number of different outcomes . As they all originated in the ITK thread there were discussions about how these players would fit into the team but ultimately most were totally irrelevant and thus off topic of actual ITK - and then multiple posts as to whether solved or not.

And finally, I would ban people who ask for updates because they are too lazy to read the thread.
 

Led's Zeppelin

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What is the point of cryptics?

They invite speculation and spamming and seem to be exactly the opposite of the concise, information-based type of thread we're aiming for in this section.
 

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What is the point of cryptics?

They invite speculation and spamming and seem to be exactly the opposite of the concise, information-based type of thread we're aiming for in this section.
We get a LOT of information that can't be shared for one reason or another. You guys probably see 10% of the ITK we have passed on. The cryptics are a way to try and get *some* of that information to you.
 

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We get a LOT of information that can't be shared for one reason or another. You guys probably see 10% of the ITK we have passed on. The cryptics are a way to try and get *some* of that information to you.
But i agree with led that it invites exactly the sort of behaviour you are often trying to eradicate.
 

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What is the point of cryptics?

They invite speculation and spamming and seem to be exactly the opposite of the concise, information-based type of thread we're aiming for in this section.
But some of the cryptics have made this site what it is - 'blue and yellow', 'cabbages' ........

they just shouldn't be part of any main thread where spamming is not allowed
 

Led's Zeppelin

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We get a LOT of information that can't be shared for one reason or another. You guys probably see 10% of the ITK we have passed on. The cryptics are a way to try and get *some* of that information to you.
There are so many conflicts here.

I have a close working relationship with the club and am necessarily privy to a lot of confidential information year-round, and it seems to me that aside from very general observations that I can draw from that information in terms of the club's overall policies and modes of operation, which I'm happy to share, the content, if confidential, must remain confidential and not be the made the subject of a guessing game. I suppose you might argue that the guessing is always so inaccurately wild that it doesn't matter, no confidence has actually been breached since no one really knows what they're talking about, in which case firstly why bother if it adds nothing to our pool of reliable info, and secondly, what about the spamming effect?

Some people get banned for spamming ( which you know is unpleasant for them, otherwise why use it as a threat?) while at the same time it is being made inevitable when people are encouraged to guess what a random word might mean, and we end up talking about a host of players and clubs and other irrelevancies that are so far removed from the solid ITK that has been revealed that the whole concept of sticking to the ITK is undermined.

OK, we maybe shouldn't take it all so seriously. In which case, why threaten to ban people who don't take it so seriously?

I feel the whole thing would be resolved by having two threads, one for transmitting disclosable ITK, strictly moderated for relevance , the other far more relaxed where people can take the conversation in whatever direction they like,(subject to the other protocols of the forum) so if they want to discuss general transfer policy or what the word jehova or pineapple might mean, or whether DL is a tight-arse or a genius they can enjoy doing so. If things get out of hand, as elsewhere in the forum, then I'm sure the mods can handle it, but get the balance right and it would make it less stressful for them and more relaxed and open and informative for everyone.
 

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Cryptics "work" because it's never certain they've been guessed correctly. We've had some absolutely perfect solutions to cryptics before that were completely wrong.

You say that randomly guessing names for a cryptic is spam. If that cryptic is the latest ITK, it's not spam, it's on topic in the ITK discussion thread. We normally only do a cryptic when there's not "solid" ITK to discuss.
 

Nocando

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There are so many conflicts here.
I again agree with this however the slight fly in the ointment, which hasn't been mentioned, is the fluid itk information that appears in the general chit chat thread or when a guess is winnered which in some way translates as further information. The obvious example is Hercules and his activd participation in the thread which often provides lots of snippets. Obviously we wouldn't want to lose this but i agree totally with the overall sentiment of your post.
 

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Cryptics "work" because it's never certain they've been guessed correctly. We've had some absolutely perfect solutions to cryptics before that were completely wrong.

You say that randomly guessing names for a cryptic is spam. If that cryptic is the latest ITK, it's not spam, it's on topic in the ITK discussion thread. We normally only do a cryptic when there's not "solid" ITK to discuss.
But it can be or spawn spam. As we saw with Gelson Martins. No one knew if it was a correct guess but there were dozens of posts going on about him.
 

Led's Zeppelin

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Cryptics "work" because it's never certain they've been guessed correctly. We've had some absolutely perfect solutions to cryptics before that were completely wrong.

You say that randomly guessing names for a cryptic is spam. If that cryptic is the latest ITK, it's not spam, it's on topic in the ITK discussion thread. We normally only do a cryptic when there's not "solid" ITK to discuss.
As I've said, I don't think the fact that the cryptics are by definition unreliable and therefore largely unhelpful is much of a justification for the irrelevancies they induce, especially given the hard line you want to take against spam generally in the ITK thread.

ITK which mustn't be revealed is not good ITK in this context, and therefore speculation about it (as opposed to discussion, which in this case is impossible) is spam.
 
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