Transfer Window.....The big losers are the fans ( as always )

[Harry_Snatch]

Some very blatant manipulation going on by Sky, The Club and most likely some big agents last night and as always it's the fans that lose out.

1. LLoris was done very early in the day or even yesterday. The pics and interviews were done in daylight but transfer announced very late on. JJ even said that this happens for whatever reason.

The reason is a blatant one. The club knew they had no intention to sign anymore top class players but wanted to announce Lloris as late as possible to placate the fans and make the TW finish on a high.

2. We get this announcement that a club record fee with JM has been agreed and there is a huge rush of excitement and belief in the possibility's, yet there is no word from either club and the player is carrying on business as usual getting flights to other parts of Europe.

Clearly no fee was agreed.
This was either a manipulation by the club to fein ambition, a ploy by skysports to keep fans locked onto the transfer window or a ploy by the players agent to bully Levy into the transfer because he knew that if it didn't happen then the fans would be on a massive low, no matter what business he did.


I have tried with football but I can't help but look at it and think I'm getting mugged off all the time. It will be the same this season with the Premiership. Small teams will beat big teams and one or 2 teams will have their 1 odd good season and some will have a bad season but in the end, the winner will be Man UTD or the team that spent the most on transfers and wages.

 

[StockSpur]

doesnt make you love spurs any less

 

[SpursMadDave]

I think it's a good mix these days, we got Gylf & Vert done nice and early then Dembele as soon as the Modric cash was there, then a couple of late deals, all in all some great business I believe

 

[Montasura]

Makes for an interesting read except 1. Porto announced that a fee had been agreed, and 2. If the eventual winners will be the team that spent the most money does that mean we will finish second as we spent the second highest amount? Personally I'd be quite happy with second!

 

[Harry_Snatch]

Makes for an interesting read except 1. Porto announced that a fee had been agreed, and 2. If the eventual winners will be the team that spent the most money does that mean we will finish second as we spent the second highest amount? Personally I'd be quite happy with second!

Where did Porto confirm the fee had been agreed?

You get my point about spending really though right?
If you really think we match City, UTD or Chelsea for outgoings on transfer fees and wages then I'd be worried but in this case, I get the feeling you are just arguing for the sake of it.

 

[Legend10]

Where did Porto confirm the fee had been agreed?

You get my point about spending really though right?
If you really think we match City, UTD or Chelsea for outgoings on transfer fees and wages then I'd be worried but in this case, I get the feeling you are just arguing for the sake of it.

But you knew this before the start of the window, so why worry about what you knew would happen happening?

To be honest I think people are tired of negative thread after negative thread!

 

[Montasura]

Where did Porto confirm the fee had been agreed?

You get my point about spending really though right?
If you really think we match City, UTD or Chelsea for outgoings on transfer fees and wages then I'd be worried but in this case, I get the feeling you are just arguing for the sake of it.

Porto had announced it for a short while on their website, subsequently removed as the deal fell apart. The fee agreement was being reported everywhere, not just by SSN.

And no, I'm not arguing for the sake of it, I'm arguing because I genuinely believe we had a good, possibly very good, transfer window. We have brought in six extremely good players who, had they been suggested before the transfer window, a lot of people would have been ecstatic about. But here lies the danger with ITK who throw about names like they mean nothing...Falcao, Llorente, etc...raising expectations to the ridiculous, before sloping off to obscurity again.

And then we are left with the downfall, the kneejerks, the Levy out campaign. I have read so many posts already about how Levy has ruined us both in general and over Moutinho. Moutinho is one player, would one player have really made that much of a difference. I have watched him a lot, I think he is excellent, but certainly not world class. There is a reason he plays for Porto and not Madrid or Barcelona. And then people conveniently ignore the stories going around that it was Porto themselves who pulled the plug.

But rather than digress onto player comparisons etc (something I have tried to do on other threads) I will answer your question...No I don't think we have matched the spending of the bigger clubs and thank fuck we haven't or we would completely ruin ourselves.

Your thread title says that it is us, the fans, who are the big losers. Well I am a fan, I love my Spurs in every fibre of my body...so explain to me why this morning I certainly do not feel like a loser?

 

[Harry_Snatch]

Porto announced and withdrew it is hardly confirming that a deal had been agreed. When a deal is agreed, it's not as simple as Porto pulling the plug. When a deal is agreed, it's signed. That clearly never happened or the player would never have flown with the rest of the squad in portugal as opposed to flying to England for a medical etc.

I am not saying you are a loser at all.

I am saying as fans we have been lead to believe something that wasn't true. As fans we didn't benefit from that we lost out from that.

Lloris, Vertonghen, Siggurdson, Dempsey, Ade that's 5 ?
They are very good players to sign. I don't debate that at all but when you take into account losing King, Modric, Hudd, Rose, Kranjcar, Corluka, GDS and VDV I don't see how anyone can argue we have come out of the TW stronger than we went in.

In honesty when was the last time we genuinely progressed from our transfer policy?

Maybe the VDV window, maybe even the window before that?

 

[Montasura]

Porto announced and withdrew it is hardly confirming that a deal had been agreed. When a deal is agreed, it's not as simple as Porto pulling the plug. When a deal is agreed, it's signed. That clearly never happened or the player would never have flown with the rest of the squad in portugal as opposed to flying to England for a medical etc.

I am not saying you are a loser at all.

I am saying as fans we have been lead to believe something that wasn't true. As fans we didn't benefit from that we lost out from that.

Lloris, Vertonghen, Siggurdson, Dempsey, Ade that's 5 ?
They are very good players to sign. I don't debate that at all but when you take into account losing King, Modric, Hudd, Rose, Kranjcar, Corluka, GDS and VDV I don't see how anyone can argue we have come out of the TW stronger than we went in.

In honesty when was the last time we genuinely progressed from our transfer policy?

Maybe the VDV window, maybe even the window before that?

Firstly you stated that clearly a fee had not been agreed and that it was essentially a story concocted by SSN. Clearly the fee was agreed, all the signs point to it. No, a "deal" wasn't agreed, but a fee was. The deal could have happened no matter where in the world he was, it has happened before and it will happen again. In fact the very deal you talk about with VDV was done pending medical. There was no time for him to physically come here to sign, yet the deal was done.

And no we didn't sign 5, we signed 6 - you conveniently forgot Clint Dempsey, the player who scored more goals than both Ade and VDV last season.

As for not seeing how anyone believes we could have strengthened, there is a poll and thread on that very topic, perhaps you should go and read that. I have given an in depth explanation as to why I think we have strengthened, as have many others.

 

[rez9000]

Porto announced and withdrew it is hardly confirming that a deal had been agreed. When a deal is agreed, it's not as simple as Porto pulling the plug. When a deal is agreed, it's signed. That clearly never happened or the player would never have flown with the rest of the squad in portugal as opposed to flying to England for a medical etc.

I am not saying you are a loser at all.

I am saying as fans we have been lead to believe something that wasn't true. As fans we didn't benefit from that we lost out from that.

Lloris, Vertonghen, Siggurdson, Dempsey, Ade that's 5 ?
They are very good players to sign. I don't debate that at all but when you take into account losing King, Modric, Hudd, Rose, Kranjcar, Corluka, GDS and VDV I don't see how anyone can argue we have come out of the TW stronger than we went in.

In honesty when was the last time we genuinely progressed from our transfer policy?

Maybe the VDV window, maybe even the window before that?

Dembele (which is who I think Montasura meant) makes six.

 

[rez9000]

Porto announced and withdrew it is hardly confirming that a deal had been agreed. When a deal is agreed, it's not as simple as Porto pulling the plug. When a deal is agreed, it's signed. That clearly never happened or the player would never have flown with the rest of the squad in portugal as opposed to flying to England for a medical etc.

I am not saying you are a loser at all.

I am saying as fans we have been lead to believe something that wasn't true. As fans we didn't benefit from that we lost out from that.

Lloris, Vertonghen, Siggurdson, Dempsey, Ade that's 5 ?
They are very good players to sign. I don't debate that at all but when you take into account losing King, Modric, Hudd, Rose, Kranjcar, Corluka, GDS and VDV I don't see how anyone can argue we have come out of the TW stronger than we went in.

In honesty when was the last time we genuinely progressed from our transfer policy?

Maybe the VDV window, maybe even the window before that?

King - although Ledley was a great defender, his proneness to injury was actually becoming a greater and greater detriment. The reason for that is that a) there was no continuity at the back in defence; and b) his inability to train would mean that it would be difficult to set up a centre-back partnership with anyone; As a player, King was irreplaceable. Not irreplaceable as in we couldn't afford a defender who could be as good. I mean there is literally no player as good as Ledley.

However, Verthongen is an excellent, excellent defender. He's dropped into the Premiership like a glop of engine oil into a BMW on a warm summer day.

Modric - again, a difficult player to replace. No matter who we bought we would have been weaker, because if we could attract a like-for-like replacement for Modirc, we would have simply have been able to keep Modric. However, Dembele is a truly excellent player, so we've strengthened in another area.

Hudd - I'm sorry, what? Is this the same Hudd that's been injured for God knows how long? The Hudd who has the turning circle of three-wheel double-decker buried in twelve feet of mud? That Hudd? Anyway, he's not been sold.

Rose - Young and inexperienced and would not be first choice for left-back, but cover only. Verthongen can play there (in fact, does so regularly for Belgium) and is very good. So no great loss there. In fact we gain because it gives Rose the chance to get Premier League experience.

Kranjcar - Has not looked good for a long time. Siggurdson is by far and away an adequate replacement for what Niko could offer us.

Corluka - Good right back, if a little slow. However, we have Kyle Walker, the best right back in the country, in my very humble opinion, with Kyle Naughton as cover. Vedran was never going to be satisfied as second choice and so he was sold.

GDS - So, Dempsey is a downgrade on GDS? Even if Dempsey plays at right-wing, which isn't his primary position, he's still better than GDS. GDS was ruined by party party London (and possibly Redknapp). He was never going to do well for us.

VDV - OK. This one I may give you. However, Dembele combined with Siggurdson is tasty enough to cushion the blow.

So, there you have it. The greatly weakened state of the squad.

 

[Harry_Snatch]

Firstly you stated that clearly a fee had not been agreed and that it was essentially a story concocted by SSN. Clearly the fee was agreed, all the signs point to it. No, a "deal" wasn't agreed, but a fee was. The deal could have happened no matter where in the world he was, it has happened before and it will happen again. In fact the very deal you talk about with VDV was done pending medical. There was no time for him to physically come here to sign, yet the deal was done.

And no we didn't sign 5, we signed 6 - you conveniently forgot Clint Dempsey, the player who scored more goals than both Ade and VDV last season.

As for not seeing how anyone believes we could have strengthened, there is a poll and thread on that very topic, perhaps you should go and read that. I have given an in depth explanation as to why I think we have strengthened, as have many others.

Dempsey is right there in my list.
I didn't say Sky created the story of an agreed 22m deal I said no 22m deal was agreed so somebody did.
If you think we are stronger, I'll read your post and hope you persuade me because I can't see it for trying atm.

 

[rez9000]

Dempsey is right there in my list.
I didn't say Sky created the story of an agreed 22m deal I said no 22m deal was agreed so somebody did.
If you think we are stronger, I'll read your post and hope you persuade me because I can't see it for trying atm.

Your first point has been answered, Harry. I'm pretty sure it was a genuine mistake and he meant Dembele. I did point that out to you.

 

[Harry_Snatch]

Your first point has been answered, Harry. I'm pretty sure it was a genuine mistake and he meant Dembele. I did point that out to you.

ah Dembele, I knew there was someone I couldn't think of.

 

[Montasura]

LOl yeah, clearly a mistake on my part and more a misreading of your post. But yeah, Dembele was the one you missed who clearly didn't score more than Ade and VDV, but a player who I think is our star signing

 

[nightgoat]

Lloris, Vertonghen, Siggurdson, Dempsey, Ade that's 5 ?
They are very good players to sign. I don't debate that at all but when you take into account losing King, Modric, Hudd, Rose, Kranjcar, Corluka, GDS and VDV I don't see how anyone can argue we have come out of the TW stronger than we went in.

How many games did Rose, Kranjcar, Corluka and Giovani play for us last season? (I've excluded Huddlestone as he was injured, and Harry would probably have used him if available)

 

[Montasura]

Dempsey is right there in my list.
I didn't say Sky created the story of an agreed 22m deal I said no 22m deal was agreed so somebody did.
If you think we are stronger, I'll read your post and hope you persuade me because I can't see it for trying atm.

And to save you the hassle of trying to find my post, post number 96 on that page. Seriously do read it, I went to some effort and it is slightly lengthy, but I honestly hope it goes some way to providing you with some hope