Tyson Fury deserves to win Sports Personality OTY

[Lufti]

Lol. You are mental. You don't even know what you are writing.

Talk about monkeys and typewriters.

Given enough time and typewriters you could....actually. No scrap that.

The irony

Rich75 suggested Hoops should avoid the term 'stay at home mother' and instead use 'stay at home parent' because either gender can fulfil the role. I pointed out that this was being overly PC because traditionally it's women who are the stay at home parent rather than men (not that it couldn't be the other way around). That's it. That's all I said, nothing I said was anything to do with Tyson's comments.

Here you go, I'll quote them so you can follow. Use your finger if it helps

IMO its better for the kids to have a stay at home mother than a career mother. I that sexist?

And to be honest saying it's better to have a stay at home Mother rather than a career Mother can be construed as sexist. If you'd said stay at home Parent then fine but why limit caring for children full time to a female occupation.

Being over PC.



Traditionally it's the mother out of both parents who stays at home to look after the kids. Nothing wrong with it being the other way around but his comment (referring to Hoops using the phrase 'stay at home mother') wasn't at all sexist considering the majority of people in that occupation are women.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

Wow, who'd have thought a popularity contest on the BBC could create such debate.

The scary thing is that it's been a fantastic record breaking year for British sport with incredible achievements but you couldn't call any of them personalities and it all ends up getting sidelined by some homophobic loudmouth pikey who can punch people hard.

Murray - Single handedly carried GB to their first Davis Cup victory in over 79 years
Ennis-Hill - Became world champion only 13 months after giving birth to her first child
Whitlock - First male gymnast from GB to ever win Gold at the world championships
Froome - Won Tour De France while getting piss thown over him and contanstant harrasement from everybody yet maintained his calm composure and never reacted.

Personally I think Ennis-Hill should win it as she has done loads of great charity work outside her sport and the achievement of lifting Gold so close to having a child is simply incredible.

Hamilton & Fury should be nowhere near the top three...

"Mum returns to work after baby" shocker!!
Not like she had an amputation or cancer though is it.
She had a baby - who she then presumably palmed off to others to look after while she went back to getting fit and travelling to compete.
Murray should get the Team of the Year award for winning the Davis Cup.

Froome lacks personality, but he had to go through a lot of crap in order to win the TDF, so he's probably a more worthy winner.

Hamilton drives a car that's set up perfectly by his team, yet he switched off once he won the title and seems more interested in taking selfies with whichever celeb he can hang out with. Hate the bloke with a passion.

 

[CowInAComa]

I find the religious shit he keeps spouting the most offensive of all.

 

[nightgoat]

What's "typical" about it?

Typical homosexuals, not liking being compared to paedophiles. How dare they!

 

[nightgoat]

Of course, he doesn't like it when people aim abuse and stereotypes at the gypsy community.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/26153811

"You wouldn't have 'big fat Pakistani weddings' or 'big fat black weddings. It's discrimination and it's very offensive."

So he's a hypocrite as well as a massive bellend.

 

[Hoops]

"Mum returns to work after baby" shocker!!

Hamilton drives a car that's set up perfectly by his team, yet he switched off once he won the title and seems more interested in taking selfies with whichever celeb he can hang out with. Hate the bloke with a passion.

Never a true word spoken. He has a face I just want to punch.

If he wasnt such a dick, he would be the most popular sportsman in this country.

Could actually say the same about Tyson lol

 

[Hoops]

What's "typical" about it?

Whats typical? Guys a freek.

 

[tiger666]

Whats typical? Guys a freek.

Why is he a freak?

 

[Hoops]

Typical homosexuals, not liking being compared to paedophiles. How dare they!

He looks like one.

 

[Shea]

Tyson's mma quotes now make me laugh

I know he will never actually sign to fight with bellator but it would be great to see if he did get in a cage

I know he's not saying anything new and Mayweather has also dismissed mma as being fighting for people who can't box (whcih is of course as dumb as saying rugby is a sport for people who can't play football) but with the growing mass appeal of mma it is a smart hype move for Tyson to focus his attention toward

Had he lost to Wlad it might have been an outside possibility of him crossing over for a fight like Tony did but now I can't see any way of it happening - either way though it's bound to reignite some of the mma vs boxing debates and get his name in the mouths of many fans around the world who otherwise would never have heard of him

 

[nightgoat]

He looks like one.

And what exactly, in your obviously expert opinion, are the clear, defining features of a paedophile?

 

[Mullers]

There isn't any suspicion about Nibali, other than the appalling record of his team. But that doesn't mean he himself is a cheat, and has actually been one of the more vocal cyclists when it comes to anti-doping. Cadel was always clean, too. Now you tell me why they were rarely asked about doping during the years they won the Tour, but Wiggins in 2012 and Froome in both 2013 and 2015 were asked if they were doping in just about every single press conference they did. This despite neither of them ever having failed a test, both of them being extremely vocal about anti-doping, and their team having a strict anti-doping policy that means they won't hire anyone with a known history of involvement in doping, and any of their riders or staff who it transpires has done so whilst being employed by Team Sky have immediately had their contracts terminated. There are few cyclists who have done more when it comes to anti-doping than David Millar, but Brailsford refused to sign him because he had previously doped.

I'm no chemist, but presumably because "Unlike the inhaled microgram-doses of albuterol, which have been shown to have no significant acute ergogenic effects in cyclists by Norris (1996) and Koch (2013), for example, Ventoline (8mg) pills deliver the results "chemical athletes" are looking for." (That's from your link, by the way.) The level found in asthma treatments is permitted by WADA, which is why Froome is allowed to use what he does. Ulissi had twice the permitted level in his system, which was why he was banned. And if Froome did have more than the permitted level, he'd have been caught as the maillot jaune is tested after every stage.

Ultimately it comes down to whether or not their performances are suspicious or not. As I said earlier in this thread, Farah's times for 5k and 10k are way down on world record times. His times don't stack up against the likes of Haile Gebreselassie or Kenenisa Bekele. The reason he wins so many major races are because he is tactically far superior to every other athlete he's up against.

Likewise Froome. He gained most of his GC winning margin on one stage where he attacked and went solo 6km from the end where the gradient was about 6% average, maximum 8%. In professional cycling that's fairly unremarkable, especially considering the reasons for his rivals' poor performance on that stage, as I outlined earlier, yet he had idiots like Jalabert comparing him to Armstrong. Those type of insinuations weren't present when Nibali put more time into Froome on stage 19, or on stage 20 when Quintana took a minute and 20 seconds off Froome. No one threw piss at Nibali when he won the Tour in 2014 by the biggest margin since Armstrong's first 'win' whilst riding for a team with the worst doping record of any current World Tour team. No one threw piss at two time convicted doper Alberto Contador when he won the Giro d'Italia with a dislocated shoulder. So you tell me why British cyclists are getting more flak than other riders with much more cause for suspicion.

The suspicion comes from being part of the team, Cadel Evans met Michele Ferrari and the fact that other Australians have been caught doping. If there wasn't suspicion surrounding them you wouldn't be asking me why were they not questioned about doping. Wiggins team mate was caught cheating. Froome also missed a drug test in 2010, so he's missed two and Nibali hasn't missed any.

Wiggins was accused by Paul Kimmage who said there was to many similarities to Armstrong. The tour which Froome first won was under scrutiny because of Armstrong. Nabili didn't come under as much scrutiny he didn't dominate the tour the way Froome did and some argued that he was only out in front because of the crashes.
The urine throwing, spitting and punching were done by 3 people and the abuse came from a small minority of fans, yes it's deplorable but there were thousands of fans who behaved themselves.

The author concludes

Bottom line: While the scientists obviously draw the politically correct conclusion that "the present study supports the restriction of oral salbutamol in competitive sports" (Hostrup. 2014). I can afford to say that Hostrup et al. were able to show that "salbutamol doping" works, when the drug is taken in significant amounts, orally. Even taking it once and to monetize on the 4.1% increase in peak power could help athletes attain an unfair advantage that can well make the difference between victory and defeat.

No wonder so many cyclists (e.g. 45% of the US cyclists participating in the 1996 Olympic Games, for example; Weiler, 1998) claim to have... ah, I mean "have been diagnose" with asthma, ha?

There are many cyclists and athletes using asthma inhalers because they think it will give them an advantage, interestingly if Sky had been a member of the MPCC, Froome would not have been allowed to race.

I followed Mo Farah's early career to when he first started winning and was delighted for him he progressively got better BUT he missed two drug tests, his coach has doping allegations against him , he trained with an athlete facing a two year doping ban.

I have not said he's guilty, I just said that there was an air of suspicion over him, I don't know how you or anyone else can deny that. The same with Froome and the rest of the people mentioned in this debate they all have air of suspicion over them to various degrees.

 

[Mullers]

Tyson's mma quotes now make me laugh

I know he will never actually sign to fight with bellator but it would be great to see if he did get in a cage

I know he's not saying anything new and Mayweather has also dismissed mma as being fighting for people who can't box (whcih is of course as dumb as saying rugby is a sport for people who can't play football) but with the growing mass appeal of mma it is a smart hype move for Tyson to focus his attention toward

Had he lost to Wlad it might have been an outside possibility of him crossing over for a fight like Tony did but now I can't see any way of it happening - either way though it's bound to reignite some of the mma vs boxing debates and get his name in the mouths of many fans around the world who otherwise would never have heard of him

He would never have done it, he kept saying he would smash Cain etc he chickened out of it, if he went to MMA he would get beaten easily the same way Toney did.

 

[Shea]

He would never have done it, he kept saying he would smash Cain etc he chickened out of it, if he went to MMA he would get beaten easily the same way Toney did.

Yea I remwmber him calling cain a midget and saying he would smash him and I remember the reply being that he needs to come to the ufc and work his way in to title contention from the bottom up

I agree it would have been a massive long shot but I don't think completely impossible as you suggest

Reason being - had he lost to wlad his stock in boxing would have dropped massively as would have his earning potential. Possibly he'd have tried another domestic fight against someone like haye or even price in an attempt to raise that stock and work back into the title frame but had he lost again he'd have had a very long route back to the top

Had that scenario played out then he'd have been in a situation where an mma crossover fight on the back of him disrespecting mma and saying he could beat any mma fighter would become more lucrative than his options in boxing

That's when I think it could have happened

Of course not against a strong wrestler looking to instantly take him down as randy did to toney

But against a stand up fighter and with some training in take down defense etc it could have been less of a formality and he may have stood a punchers chance as with ray mercer and tim silvia

 

[Mullers]

Yea I remwmber him calling cain a midget and saying he would smash him and I remember the reply being that he needs to come to the ufc and work his way in to title contention from the bottom up

I agree it would have been a massive long shot but I don't think completely impossible as you suggest

Reason being - had he lost to wlad his stock in boxing would have dropped massively as would have his earning potential. Possibly he'd have tried another domestic fight against someone like haye or even price in an attempt to raise that stock and work back into the title frame but had he lost again he'd have had a very long route back to the top

Had that scenario played out then he'd have been in a situation where an mma crossover fight on the back of him disrespecting mma and saying he could beat any mma fighter would become more lucrative than his options in boxing

That's when I think it could have happened

Of course not against a strong wrestler looking to instantly take him down as randy did to toney

But against a stand up fighter and with some training in take down defense etc it could have been less of a formality and he may have stood a punchers chance as with ray mercer and tim silvia

That reply came from Cain but Dana was saying to come over and fight, and that Cain would smash him. Fury just kept saying he will do it if the money is right, my guess is that he demanded a figure that he knew Dana wouldn't pay. It's all for publicity and he's good at it, yeah he's got a punchers chance but not much more. There is a good chance that he won't win the return with Wlad, I think Wlad will fight better next time they meet.

 

[Shea]

That reply came from Cain but Dana was saying to come over and fight, and that Cain would smash him. Fury just kept saying he will do it if the money is right, my guess is that he demanded a figure that he knew Dana wouldn't pay. It's all for publicity and he's good at it, yeah he's got a punchers chance but not much more. There is a good chance that he won't win the return with Wlad, I think Wlad will fight better next time they meet.

I never saw dana whites comments only an interview with Cain

I agree - at the time I'm certain fury had no intention of ever fighting mma, just using it as part of his provokative hype persona

I do however think that if he had became less viable in boxing having lost to wlad and then perhaps to a domestic competitor that he might have found himself in a position where he could make more money stepping in to a mma event (perhaps a lower level one rather than ufc and certainly against a more striker orientated fighter)

Its not that exceptional - as I say mercer did it before Toney and knocked big tim silvia out instantly and botha stepped in to the k1 ring when his boxing career had faded and that move became more marketable/lucrative for him that what he could do boxing at the time

As of now fury is going to make a lot of money from his rematch and eveb if he loses he'd probably get a rubber match or at least some more high profile higher paid boxing matches as a former world champ

Highly unlikely I know even had he lost to wlad - but not impossible by any means as he wouldn't be the first boxer to step in to the octagon, it could have happen had the stars aligned so to speak

 

[King of Otters]

Tyson Fury is living testament of the capacity of religion to make stupid people even stupider.

 

[Shea]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sp...ia-love-God-s-children-don-t-hate-anyone.html

 

[For the love of Spurs]

SPOTY is an absolutely awful award, BBC should be thanking Fury for bringing some interest.

 

[tiger666]

Tyson Fury is living testament of the capacity of religion to make stupid people even stupider.

The guy's a complete ****.