[Update 15]sookispur re:Veloso/Sandro

[chrissivad]

Who sookispur
Date 5th Jan 2010
Time 17:13
Site COYS

My very rare piece of Itk is on Veloso. I read he was for sale and was talking to my mate who is itk. He says that we are interested, mainly because its far less complicated than the Sandro deal.

Also, and I'm sure everyone knows this, O'hara looks like he is coming back.

 

[chrissivad]

dont think this guy has posted anything before, so salt at the ready

 

[Scutch]

Very true Chris. Quite surprised by the source, but can't discard the info, I guess.

 

[Dr Know]

dont think this guy has posted anything before, so salt at the ready

I guess there is a first time for everything

 

[Dr Know]

also he can play LB (I think someone said the last few games hes been in that position) so it could make some sense. I still think we need cover for LB so we could say kill two birds with one stone C/DM and LB

 

[Krafty]

The mate of an ITK thing, added with the O'Hara comment (inasmuch as everyone knows it, so why say it? Surely your ITK is strong enough to post on its own), doesnt give much credence to this info, but you could see it being true. I imagine he would be on a list of midfielders we would be looking at, if only in case our top targets falll through

 

[DC_Boy]

great news if O'Hara is coming back - a welcome boost to our squad if he stays with us

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Not that I'm a lover of O'Hara, I think he's an average footballer at best, but having him as our 4th midfielder makes more sense to me than bringing in Parker, even if Parker is better. O'Hara has fight, he has a little bit of passing and shooting ability and he has a couple of years experience under his belt. Him, Jenas, Wilson and the Hudd till the end of the season gives us for midfielders ranging from decent to superb, and then in the summer if Sandro is to be signed we can do things sensibly and move O'Hara on without too much squad disruption.

 

[Bill_Oddie]

As I've said before Bringers, it's not about the fact that WE want JOH as 4th choice midfielder. That would be, to use an original turn of phrase, triffic. However, JOH himself DOESN'T want this. He wants games. And Harry's repeatedly says the same. Hence he won't come back. The only option other than returning to pompey is another loan to a different Premier League club. My bet is Blackburn or Wigan.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

As I've said before Bringers, it's not about the fact that WE want JOH as 4th choice midfielder. That would be, to use an original turn of phrase, triffic. However, JOH himself DOESN'T want this. He wants games. And Harry's repeatedly says the same. Hence he won't come back. The only option other than returning to pompey is another loan to a different Premier League club. My bet is Blackburn or Wigan.

My only issue there is that I thought it was the case that you couldn't be registered with more than two clubs within the same season...

or does that only apply with permanent transfers?

 

[JimmyG2]

I think O'Hara is a better player than BBLG allows.His fighting abilities are well known and could be very useful. He has good shooting abilities and can play a disciplined role down the left. He would give Bale good support as he has done in the past and can fill in at left back if called on.
Most important though he is a known and proven quantity, to the club and to the squad.He has the stability factor built in.
I know that he's 'not good enough for the next level' but we are not quite there yet.
Buying in players new to the country, especially young ones like Sandro, let alone the club always has an element of risk and any such players bought now will probably not show any dividends until next season.

 

[Alfieconnman]

I think O'Hara is a better player than BBLG allows.His fighting abilities are well known and could be very useful. He has good shooting abilities and can play a disciplined role down the left. He would give Bale good support as he has done in the past and can fill in at left back if called on.
Most important though he is a known and proven quantity, to the club and to the squad.He has the stability factor built in.
I know that he's 'not good enough for the next level' but we are not quite there yet.
Buying in players new to the country, especially young ones like Sandro, let alone the club always has an element of risk and any such players bought now will probably not show any dividends until next season.

:clap::clap::clap: Well said and all makes good sense. Have some rep.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I think O'Hara is a better player than BBLG allows.His fighting abilities are well known and could be very useful. He has good shooting abilities and can play a disciplined role down the left. He would give Bale good support as he has done in the past and can fill in at left back if called on.
Most important though he is a known and proven quantity, to the club and to the squad.He has the stability factor built in.
I know that he's 'not good enough for the next level' but we are not quite there yet.
Buying in players new to the country, especially young ones like Sandro, let alone the club always has an element of risk and any such players bought now will probably not show any dividends until next season.

Erm, did my post not say he has a bit of fight, a decent pass and shot on him? Did it not say that to my mind it makes more sense to bring him back than to bring in Parker? Or did you just focus on where I described him as average? Besides, if O'Hara returned there is no way he'd have a sniff of the left hand side. It would be centre or bust.

Like I've been saying, we have three proven, high quality, reliable central midfielders currently at the club, therefore I think we're in a good position to sign someone untested from now and use the rest of this season to slowly groom them ahead of maybe making an impact next season, because the current stability of our team and, on top of that, understanding between players is such that the pressure on anybody coming in in a heavily populated position to perform from the off is somewhat mitigated.

Same argument goes for up front by the way, with Defoe, Keane and Crouch.

 

[JimmyG2]

Erm, did my post not say he has a bit of fight, a decent pass and shot on him? Did it not say that to my mind it makes more sense to bring him back than to bring in Parker? Or did you just focus on where I described him as average? Besides, if O'Hara returned there is no way he'd have a sniff of the left hand side. It would be centre or bust.

Like I've been saying, we have three proven, high quality, reliable central midfielders currently at the club, therefore I think we're in a good position to sign someone untested from now and use the rest of this season to slowly groom them ahead of maybe making an impact next season, because the current stability of our team and, on top of that, understanding between players is such that the pressure on anybody coming in in a heavily populated position to perform from the off is somewhat mitigated.
Same argument goes for up front by the way, with Defoe, Keane and Crouch.

I think your original piece reads more negatively and is more disparaging than your update.
I agree that signing someone new, possibly from abroad, possibly young with an eye for the future makes very good sense, but 'in the meantime' as they say we are a bit short on defensively minded midfielders.
O´Hara who I rate more highly than you fits the bill for me. I think he is better than average and has proved so at Portsmouth.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I think your original piece reads more negatively and is more disparaging than your update.
I agree that signing someone new, possibly from abroad, possibly young with an eye for the future makes very good sense, but 'in the meantime' as they say we are a bit short on defensively minded midfielders.
O´Hara who I rate more highly than you fits the bill for me. I think he is better than average and has proved so at Portsmouth.

The only edit in mine, and remember it was Cris who edited it, not me, because for some reason edits aren't available in this forum, is the removal of the word don't from the first line as it made my post grammatically iffy, something I was not comfortable with. Other than that, my post is the exact same as it ever was.

There is a gross misinterpretation in society of the word average. It does not mean 'poor' though it is often taken to mean that. I was not calling him a poor player, I was calling him average, someone who is not particularly good and not particularly bad, someone steady and reliable but not exciting or imposing. He has done well with Portsmouth, but not so well that I feel the need to reassess this opinion. As a 4th choice stop gap I have no issue with him, but that's it.

 

[JimmyG2]

By 'update' I was referring to your reply to me not the one word 'edit' which I worked out from the start was a typo.
I do not misinterprete 'average' as 'poor'. I think that he is an above average player with the added advantage for us of being known to the present squad and therefor not having to integrate him.
I think he would be a good 4th choice stop gap or perhaps more than this for certain situations, like the Liverpool game if he had been available, though not necessarily as a starter.
He would give Harry a different option than starting Kranjcar or Jenas and Modric, or if Palacios was injured.
If we could out football everyone by playing Modric and Kranjcar every game that would suit me fine, that's the way I like us to play but it doesn't happen.
A player like O'Hara who gives us a bit of grit and determination to bolster the midfield is useful and would prevent us from having to take a chance on unproven foreign import who might take time to settle.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I'd rather take the chance on the player who needs to settle because we have 3 very good, very settled central midfielders anyway, so waiting through the bedding in period to get a potentially superior player is a worthwhile endeavour in my opinion.