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LSUY

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I would go as far as saying historically Ohio State and Michigan would be bigger than Florida and have the dame pull as them. With Meyer thre they will be able to recruit nationally and I think Meyer will be able to recruit the state of Florida well because of his success he had with Florida.

Personally I thought Ohio State had a lot of hype under Tressel and while I think the SEC is a little overrated (still strongest conference) I think the Big 10 is really overrated and would be weaker than the PAC-12 and the Big 12.

Have to agree. I don't know why but Ohio State seem to be one of the biggest/most popular programs in the country. Meyer could turn Ohio State into a dynasty.

I think one of the reasons why the Big 10 is so overrated is because of Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State and to a lesser extent Notre Dame (if they join a conference it will be the Big 10). Those rivalries are so big that it elevates the entire conference. Plus the addition of another historic side in Nebraska makes them look better than they actually are.

Polls are out.

USA Today
1 - LSU
2 - Alabama
3 - Arkansas
4 - Virginia Tech
5 - Stanford
6 - Oklahoma State
7 - Houston
8 - Boise State
9 - Oregon
10 - Michigan State


My terrible and far to early guess at BCS matchups

National Championship - LSU vs VT
Rose Bowl - Oregon vs Michigan State
Fiesta Bowl - Oklahoma State vs Alabama
Sugar Bowl - Houston vs Oklahoma
Orange Bowl - Stanford vs Louisville

I'd go along with this but I would probably switch Oregon and Stanford. Unless Stanford slip up they should win the PAC-12.

Houston-Oklahoma could be a humdinger, might have to try and get tickets for that.
 

Barmy_in_Palmy

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Oregon are still above Stanford due to head to head matchup, both only have the 1 conference loss.
 

Barmy_in_Palmy

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Stanford has played more conference games so far so has more wins, this should balance back up. If this is not the reason then I have no clue what's going on.
 

ealingspur

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My terrible and far to early guess at BCS matchups

National Championship - LSU vs VT
Rose Bowl - Oregon vs Michigan State
Fiesta Bowl - Oklahoma State vs Alabama
Sugar Bowl - Houston vs Oklahoma
Orange Bowl - Stanford vs Louisville


Which is why the Big East will lose their right to a BCS game, they have no ranked teams.

Let me start by listing the rules and my assumptions.

First, all conference champions of the “Big 6” are guaranteed automatic berths in the BCS bowls. Second, a team from the “other” conferences will gain an automatic berth if they place in the top 12 of the final poll. My predictions for the automatic qualifiers are as follows: LSU, Ok St, Oregon, Wisconsin, Va Tech, Big East Team, and Boise St.

Although I revel in the idea of Arkansas beating LSU, I am leaving that possibility out to keep the analysis simple. Also, even though I would love BCS meltdown, this situation occurred in the Big 12 South a few years back, and the BCS remains unfortunately intact. Also, I am predicting Wisconsin to beat Penn St to enter the Big 10 Championship game and then beat Michigan St, who beat them earlier in the season. Oregon controls its destiny in the Pac-12, a win against Oregon St. solidifies their place in the Pac-12 Championship against a much maligned UCLA since USC is ineligible. Boise St is currently positioned ahead of Houston. They have a pretty large lead over Houston in the computer polls, and will probably maintain their position.

According to the rules, they get the automatic berth. It is disrespectful for me to have to sift through the dirt of the Big East conference, therefore this team will remain unnamed.

To address the previous Bowl Picks:

First, an ACC team is not making it to the National Championship Game (NCG). That conference has no respect among pollsters. In the event, the pollsters are left with a choice between a 1-loss SEC and 1-loss ACC team, the SEC will prevail, and there is nothing in the rules that prevents it.

Second, the Sugar is guaranteed the next best SEC team. It had the #1 team taken from its Bowl, therefore it gets first pick. Bama goes to the Sugar, not the Fiesta.

Third, in this prediction of games, Ok St. would have beaten OU. If that is the case Ok St. gets the NCG bid over Va Tech.

For my predictions, this scenario holds if Ok St beats OU, if not BCS meltdown (LSU v. Bama Final!)

NCG – LSU v. OSU

Rose – Oregon v. Wisconsin

Sugar – Bama v. Mich St.

Fiesta – Oklahoma v. Boise St.

Orange – Va Tech v. Big East Champ (they don’t even deserve a name)

This flows directly from the conference tie-ins and picking procedures. The Pac-12 and Big-10 must go to the Rose, the SEC goes to the Sugar, the Big 12 goes to the Fiesta, and the ACC to the Orange. The Sugar and Fiesta Bowl get next pick because their teams were taken. They can’t take a host team for another bowl, so they get to choose from the left-overs. The SEC gets to choose first because they lost the #1 team. This will be Bama. The Fiesta gets to pick next. The remaining choices are: Big East Champ, Boise St, Oklahoma, Mich. St., Stanford, Houston. The Fiesta bowl will keep its tradition and go with Oklahoma. The remaining picks will go Fiesta, Sugar, Orange. Boise St. is the next best team to choose. At this point, it is not only about taking account of actual playing ability, but which match-up will generate the most revenue. Boise fans travel, and who will miss the re-match of one of the most beautiful football games ever played. Sugar gets the next pick, and I go with Big 10 Conf runner-up Mich St. Again, Mich St. fans travel, and this would prove a lucrative match-up. The Orange bowl gets stuck with the Big East Conf championship winner.

Although personally I believe the NCG should be LSU v. Bama. This actually has a very good possibility of being the case this year, but requires a lot of things to happen in the coming weeks.

So, as a friend of mine loves to say, “There’s a whole lotta football left to play!”
 

Barmy_in_Palmy

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Michigan state are 11th at 9-2
Wisconsin are are 15th at 9-2
Stanford are 4th at 10-1

If Wisconsin as you say win the Big 10 then they will be 11-2
Michigan State will be 10-3, if Stanford win next week they will be 11-1 and stay top 7 of the rankings, they could even climb to 3rd if Arkansas lose to LSU, there is no way both of the Big 10 teams will be above Stanford and they will be picked ahead of a 2nd Big 10 team, a bowl doesn't care about selling tickets, ticket sales are guaranteed, but the coverage bought for Andrew Lucks last ever College game will be immense which is I see them going back to the Orange Bowl.

If there is to be a second Big 10 team then they will be the ones to knock out Boise State. Boise State is a tiny media market. Boise State won't remain above an unbeaten Houston and there will not be two no AQ teams in the BCS
 

ealingspur

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Michigan state are 11th at 9-2
Wisconsin are are 15th at 9-2
Stanford are 4th at 10-1

If Wisconsin as you say win the Big 10 then they will be 11-2
Michigan State will be 10-3, if Stanford win next week they will be 11-1 and stay top 7 of the rankings, they could even climb to 3rd if Arkansas lose to LSU, there is no way both of the Big 10 teams will be above Stanford and they will be picked ahead of a 2nd Big 10 team, a bowl doesn't care about selling tickets, ticket sales are guaranteed, but the coverage bought for Andrew Lucks last ever College game will be immense which is I see them going back to the Orange Bowl.

If there is to be a second Big 10 team then they will be the ones to knock out Boise State. Boise State is a tiny media market. Boise State won't remain above an unbeaten Houston and there will not be two no AQ teams in the BCS

You are absolutely dead wrong that Bowls don't factor ticket sales and media coverage into their decision to pick teams. Regardless, you are right that Stanford will be picked ahead of the 2nd Big 10 team. However, Stanford must be picked as an at large team, unless Oregon lose and they are able to win the Pac 12. This is a remote possibility bc Oregon St are terrible, but rivalry games are always tough. But there's no way they're in the Orange Bowl. If Oregon lose, and Stanford win the Pac-12, they're in the Rose automatically, if not they'll go to the Fiesta (first pick).

To be clear, Mich St, Penn St, and Wisconsin are all completely interchangeable, I just thought I'd have some fun picking Wisconsin. They definitely have a shot. Regardless, whoever the champion is will face the Pac-12 Champion in the Rose bowl, because neither of those teams are going to the NCG

Boise will remain ahead of Houston in the polls. They have already lost and still remain ahead of them. Houston can't do anything to make its ranking higher. Unfortunately, I forgot not only must they be ranked top 12 but must also win their conference championship for an automatic berth, which at this point is impossible. However, they still may get an at-large bid. The remaining teams have to be in the top 14, as more SEC teams crowd the list (yes, count 5 and weep), Boise's chances improve. They would end up in the Sugar Bowl. And they are not a small market team, they are America's darlings. Everyone loves Boise!

You are right, there won't be 2 non-AQ teams in the BCS. Houston isn't a lock, they still have to win Conf-USA against Southern Miss. I'm calling the "upset", no Houston in the final BCS.

Noone wants the Big East Champion, not even the Big East. The Orange Bowl is already set, they pick last and the ACC is not going to the NCG. Orange bowl is ACC champ v. Big East champ, whoever the lucky teams end up being.
 

Barmy_in_Palmy

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Where did I say Bowls don't factor in media coverage? In fact I said the complete opposite, in that Boise, Idaho is a considerably much small media market that San Francisco, California. To take one step further the media markets of Idaho is tiny compared to that of California. Can you please read what I write before you disagree with it.

Secondly I also said that the coverage for Andrew Lucks last game in College Football would be a bigger media story and therefore garner more coverage than what Boise State will. The simple fact is that more people would tune in to watch Stanford than Boise State.

This is also why due to media coverage and fan base that a BCS Bowl could pick an at-large Michigan if they go 10-2 and end up having the 2nd best ranked Big 10 ranking over Boise State.

What I did say is that ticket sales to BCS Bowls are irrelevant. It is part of the BCS contracts that the schools must buy all the tickets that the Bowl gives them. Therefore the BCS Bowls sell all their tickets, whether the schools can sell them on to their alumni is irrelevant to them. The stadium could be completely empty and as far as the Bowl goes they sold all their tickets.

Houston will move above Boise State in the rankings if they stay unbeaten. The 2nd Place 11-1 MWC will not be ranked above a Conference USA 13-0 team.

Also Boise State aren't in an AQ Conference so they never get a automatic entry to a BCS Bowl regardless if they win their conference.

Further evidence that Boise State is a small media market team is that when the PAC-12, Big 10 and Big 12 all expanded or looked for new members, none of them opted to add Boise State. The PAC-12 would have rather added Colorado (which is 2-10) and further away than Boise State because their media market is bigger and they can get more money with a new tv deal. The only BCS AQ Conference that has looked to add Boise State is the Big East now that its melting down.
 

brittanyg

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http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=4819597

Automatic qualification


3. The champion of Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, or the Western Athletic Conference will earn an automatic berth in a BCS bowl game if either:
A. Such team is ranked in the top 12 of the final BCS Standings, or,
B. Such team is ranked in the top 16 of the final BCS Standings and its ranking in the
final BCS Standings is higher than that of a champion of a conference that has an annual automatic berth in one of the BCS bowls.
 

cwy21

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If Georgia beats LSU in the SEC Championship game, you'd still likely have LSU vs Alabama in the title game with neither of those schools winning their conferences.
 

ealingspur

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http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=4819597

Automatic qualification


3. The champion of Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, or the Western Athletic Conference will earn an automatic berth in a BCS bowl game if either:
A. Such team is ranked in the top 12 of the final BCS Standings, or,
B. Such team is ranked in the top 16 of the final BCS Standings and its ranking in the
final BCS Standings is higher than that of a champion of a conference that has an annual automatic berth in one of the BCS bowls.

Bam.
 

Barmy_in_Palmy

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But does that mean they have claimed a spot or earnt the right to be selected for a spot? if it's the later then they won't be selected.

Again I ask that you please read what I write before telling me it's wrong, I said that don't get an automatic entry like the Big East does, this does not mean that I said they cannot qualify for an at large bid.

Bam.
 

Barmy_in_Palmy

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If Georgia beats LSU in the SEC Championship game, you'd still likely have LSU vs Alabama in the title game with neither of those schools winning their conferences.

If Georgia wins the SEC then they automatically go to the Sugar Bowl. You then have to take into account that under the current rules only two teams per conference can qualify for the BCS. So then it would be a toss up between Alabama and LSU. Now if Alabama are stll ranked 2nd and LSU lose to Georgia who are ranked outside of the top 10 then LSU will drop below Alabama and Alabama will go to the National Championship and LSU will probably be shipped off to the Cotton Bowl.

It's why if your going to be a one loss team it's better to lose early in the season and rise back up the rankings than lose late, drop down and not be able to recover.
 

brittanyg

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'Again I ask that you please read what I write before telling me it's wrong, I said that don't get an automatic entry like the Big East does, this does not mean that I said they cannot qualify for an at large bid.'

Answer - They don't get an entry like the Big East. The Big East gets an automatic bid merely for winning their conference championship. A non-AQ conference team MUST win their conference AND finish in the top 12 to gain an automatic bid, but it is still possible for them to do so. They may also get at-large bids, the rules are uniform between conferences for this.

'Also Boise State aren't in an AQ Conference so they never get a automatic entry to a BCS Bowl regardless if they win their conference.'

Answer - this statement is factually false, see below.

I have read what you wrote, and intend to correct your misunderstandings:

1. The Big 10, Big 12, Pac 12, Big East, ACC, and SEC Conference Champions get AUTOMATIC berths into one of the BCS Bowl Games.

2. The other conferences combined get ONE AUTOMATIC berth into the BCS Bowl Games IF:
A. The team is ranked in the top 12 of the final BCS Standings
B. The team is a Conference Champion

3. AT-LARGE bids may be given if there are spots left open after the automatic teams have been chosen. The criteria is that the team must have 9 wins and be ranked in the TOP 14 of the final BCS Standings.

Therefore, Boise State, in years past (as well as Utah and Hawaii) were AUTOMATIC berths into the BCS. This year, Boise CANNOT have an AUTOMATIC berth because they will not win their conference championship. Houston would ONLY make it to the BCS if they win their conference thus giving them an AUTOMATIC BERTH.

For AT-LARGE bids, look at the TOP 14. Get rid of the top 2 teams for the NCG, then get rid of all the AQ conference champions. Then get rid of any teams from a conference that is already represented by 2 teams from that conference. If the BCS ended today with the CURRENT ranking. LSU v. ALA would be the NCG. Assuming, the AQ conference champions are OSU, MSU, Oregon, Va Tech, Big East, and Houston wins its conference, there will be 2 At-large bids. They must be chosen from: Stanford, Boise State, Oklahoma, and Kansas State. In this scenario, Stanford and Oklahoma would most likely be chosen. However, from this point you can see how things will devolve in the next 2 weeks.

This is how the BCS works. I hope I have clarified the confusion.
 

ealingspur

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'Again I ask that you please read what I write before telling me it's wrong, I said that don't get an automatic entry like the Big East does, this does not mean that I said they cannot qualify for an at large bid.'

Answer - They don't get an entry like the Big East. The Big East gets an automatic bid merely for winning their conference championship. A non-AQ conference team MUST win their conference AND finish in the top 12 to gain an automatic bid, but it is still possible for them to do so. They may also get at-large bids, the rules are uniform between conferences for this.

'Also Boise State aren't in an AQ Conference so they never get a automatic entry to a BCS Bowl regardless if they win their conference.'

Answer - this statement is factually false, see below.

I have read what you wrote, and intend to correct your misunderstandings:

1. The Big 10, Big 12, Pac 12, Big East, ACC, and SEC Conference Champions get AUTOMATIC berths into one of the BCS Bowl Games.

2. The other conferences combined get ONE AUTOMATIC berth into the BCS Bowl Games IF:
A. The team is ranked in the top 12 of the final BCS Standings
B. The team is a Conference Champion

3. AT-LARGE bids may be given if there are spots left open after the automatic teams have been chosen. The criteria is that the team must have 9 wins and be ranked in the TOP 14 of the final BCS Standings.

Therefore, Boise State, in years past (as well as Utah and Hawaii) were AUTOMATIC berths into the BCS. This year, Boise CANNOT have an AUTOMATIC berth because they will not win their conference championship. Houston would ONLY make it to the BCS if they win their conference thus giving them an AUTOMATIC BERTH.

For AT-LARGE bids, look at the TOP 14. Get rid of the top 2 teams for the NCG, then get rid of all the AQ conference champions. Then get rid of any teams from a conference that is already represented by 2 teams from that conference. If the BCS ended today with the CURRENT ranking. LSU v. ALA would be the NCG. Assuming, the AQ conference champions are OSU, MSU, Oregon, Va Tech, Big East, and Houston wins its conference, there will be 2 At-large bids. They must be chosen from: Stanford, Boise State, Oklahoma, and Kansas State. In this scenario, Stanford and Oklahoma would most likely be chosen. However, from this point you can see how things will devolve in the next 2 weeks.

This is how the BCS works. I hope I have clarified the confusion.

Repped! What a second post.

"If you actually read what I wrote" - what an inept comment. The problem with reading what he wrote is that it's complete :bs:
 

Barmy_in_Palmy

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'Again I ask that you please read what I write before telling me it's wrong, I said that don't get an automatic entry like the Big East does, this does not mean that I said they cannot qualify for an at large bid.'

Answer - They don't get an entry like the Big East. The Big East gets an automatic bid merely for winning their conference championship. A non-AQ conference team MUST win their conference AND finish in the top 12 to gain an automatic bid, but it is still possible for them to do so. They may also get at-large bids, the rules are uniform between conferences for this.

'Also Boise State aren't in an AQ Conference so they never get a automatic entry to a BCS Bowl regardless if they win their conference.'

Answer - this statement is factually false, see below.

I have read what you wrote, and intend to correct your misunderstandings:

1. The Big 10, Big 12, Pac 12, Big East, ACC, and SEC Conference Champions get AUTOMATIC berths into one of the BCS Bowl Games.

2. The other conferences combined get ONE AUTOMATIC berth into the BCS Bowl Games IF:
A. The team is ranked in the top 12 of the final BCS Standings
B. The team is a Conference Champion

3. AT-LARGE bids may be given if there are spots left open after the automatic teams have been chosen. The criteria is that the team must have 9 wins and be ranked in the TOP 14 of the final BCS Standings.

Therefore, Boise State, in years past (as well as Utah and Hawaii) were AUTOMATIC berths into the BCS. This year, Boise CANNOT have an AUTOMATIC berth because they will not win their conference championship. Houston would ONLY make it to the BCS if they win their conference thus giving them an AUTOMATIC BERTH.

For AT-LARGE bids, look at the TOP 14. Get rid of the top 2 teams for the NCG, then get rid of all the AQ conference champions. Then get rid of any teams from a conference that is already represented by 2 teams from that conference. If the BCS ended today with the CURRENT ranking. LSU v. ALA would be the NCG. Assuming, the AQ conference champions are OSU, MSU, Oregon, Va Tech, Big East, and Houston wins its conference, there will be 2 At-large bids. They must be chosen from: Stanford, Boise State, Oklahoma, and Kansas State. In this scenario, Stanford and Oklahoma would most likely be chosen. However, from this point you can see how things will devolve in the next 2 weeks.

This is how the BCS works. I hope I have clarified the confusion.

Clarified indeed, well done.
 

Barmy_in_Palmy

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Repped! What a second post.

"If you actually read what I wrote" - what an inept comment. The problem with reading what he wrote is that it's complete :bs:

Also just clarify the read comment was aimed solely at you. Do you care to continue our argument on our you view Boise State to be larger media market than stanford?

If you could also do it in such a way that makes sense (like brittanyg for example) that would be super.
 

brittanyg

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If Georgia beats LSU in the SEC Championship game, you'd still likely have LSU vs Alabama in the title game with neither of those schools winning their conferences.

This is correct. The rules are that only 2 teams from the same conference may be in the BCS, EXCEPT in the event that the #1 and #2 teams are from the same conference and neither are the conference champion. Therefore, if Georgia beat LSU, Georgia will guarantee their spot in the Sugar Bowl, but the pollsters may still rank LSU and Alabama 1 and 2.
 

ealingspur

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Also just clarify the read comment was aimed solely at you. Do you care to continue our argument on our you view Boise State to be larger media market than stanford?

If you could also do it in such a way that makes sense (like brittanyg for example) that would be super.

Again, if you would read what I actually wrote instead of fabricating arguments out of thin air, then you know that I didnt actually say this. At no point did I ever say Boise have a larger media market than Stanford. I merely said Boise are not a small market team, they garner national attention. However, if I had to make the argument:

First, San Francisco is not Stanford's market. Technically, the market is split between Cal and Stanford. Palo Alto is Stanford's home market and if you're only comparing size, Boise is much larger than Palo Alto. You also must take into account that even though the state of California is much larger than Idaho, California is more like 3 states, and have many more teams to split amongst them. Idaho only have Boise.

Second, I would argue the home market is not that relevant in determining national market size. UCLA's home market is LA, which is much larger than SF, but Stanford are a bigger national team this year than either UCLA or USC. In fact, most college teams are located in small home markets: Gainesville, FL; Athens, GA; Baton Rouge, LA; Stillwater, OK Tuscaloosa, AL; Fayetteville, AR; Blacksburg, VA; and Palo Alto, CA. Therefore, I would argue national media market size depends more on current team performance, as well as past/traditional performance.

Now, Stanford wasn't being talked about by anyone until they hired Jim Harbaugh in 2007 (after going 1-11). Jim Harbaugh got Stanford national attention by calling out USC and Pete Carroll. The Harbaugh era started a turn-around for the Stanford football program and put the progam into the national stage. However, the Cardinal didn't even make it to ANY bowl game from 2001-2009. Noone is going to be watching, discussing, or caring about a team that's not even good enough to make it to a bowl. Sure an upset is nice, but are we talking about Iowa State after they thrash Oklahoma State's dreams?

This year the Cardinal have earned national media spotlight through their on-field efforts, but so have Boise. Boise thrust itself on the national stage in its 2007 giant-killing victory over Oklahoma. Its no secret that everyone loves to root for the little guy (kinda like 2007 Stanford upsetting USC, in the statistically greatest upset of all time - the fact that its called an upset kinda proves Stanford weren't nationally important at the time). Boise has been able to keep its name in the national picture since its debut in 2007, and people like to follow them because they are a non-AQ team that has pushed the envelope of the entrenchment of the AQ conferences in the BCS.

To be honest, Boise and Stanford are striking similar this year. I don't think you can argue the Pac-12 has had an "up" year, no matter how bad Boise's conference is. UCLA is going to the Pac-12 championship, and they were beaten by Houston. Boise beat Georgia, who are going to the SEC Championship. LSU handedly defeated Oregon. Boise barely lost to TCU and Stanford got absolutely crushed by Oregon (a game where Luck could have stood out, but instead choked). If it comes down to a choice between Stanford and Boise, the obvious choice is Stanford, if only due to the AQ non-AQ bias, but Boise have a colorable argument for an at-large bid.
 

Barmy_in_Palmy

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Whether they deserve it or not and to be honest they don't, if Stanford beat Notre Dame on Saturday there is a fairly good chance they end up 3rd in the rankings next week.

I would still argue that if Boise had a decent sized media market the PAC-12, Big-12 or Big 10 would have invited them in. But adding them doesn't increase the money they would get from tv as opposed to someone like Colorado which is terrible but brings in a larger tv share.
 
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