VAR (Video Assistant Referee)

[beats1]

I think rightly so, hypothetically if a team gets in to the play offs because of no VAR on a goal that should have been disallowed they then can't gain an advantage by getting through on a wrong decision

Of course 2 wrongs don't make a right but there needs to be consistency throughout the league

 

['O Zio]

I don't think it's that big a deal to be honest. Personally I think they should just use it, but given that it's not been used at all so far in the competition and both teams are in the same boat with it, I don't see what the controversy is.

That said, if there's some dodgy decision that allows/disallows the goal that decides it, the EFL/FA or whoever are going to be left regretting the decision so it's a brave call to make.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Weird that they we're perfectly happy to only have it at some league cup games, yet it would be unfair to use it in the in the playoff because it wasn't used in other league games.

 

['O Zio]

Weird that they we're perfectly happy to only have it at some league cup games, yet it would be unfair to use it in the in the playoff because it wasn't used in other league games.

By and large people don't really care so much about the league cup so are happier to have it used as the guinea pig competition. Going out of the league cup is a shame. Missing out on promotion to the premier league is devastating, both emotionally and financially for the clubs.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

By and large people don't really care so much about the league cup so are happier to have it used as the guinea pig competition. Going out of the league cup is a shame. Missing out on promotion to the premier league is devastating, both emotionally and financially for the clubs.

Don't see how that answers my post though? If people don't care so much about the league cup, then don't have VAR in any of the games. Where's the fairness in only having it in some but not others?

If they say they're not having it in the playoff final because it wouldn't be fair, as it wasn't used in any previous league games. Then the same should've been said/believed in their cup competitions too.

 

['O Zio]

Don't see how that answers my post though? If people don't care so much about the league cup, then don't have VAR in any of the games. Where's the fairness in only having it in some but not others?

If they say they're not having it in the playoff final because it wouldn't be fair, as it wasn't used in any previous league games. Then the same should've been said/believed in their cup competitions too.

You asked why they're happy to have it in some league cup games but not in the playoffs. I've answered your question by saying because they're only testing it and it was deemed better to restrict the testing to a competition that has less riding on it. It's not what they've decided is fairest, it's what they've decided is the best way to test it with minimal impact while ironing out the creases.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

You asked why they're happy to have it in some league cup games but not in the playoffs. I've answered your question by saying because they're only testing it and it was deemed better to restrict the testing to a competition that has less riding on it. It's not what they've decided is fairest, it's what they've decided is the best way to test it with minimal impact while ironing out the creases.

But that still contradicts their "fairness" reason (excuse?) for not using it in the playoff. No?

 

['O Zio]

But that still contradicts their "fairness" reason (excuse?) for not using it in the playoff. No?

Not really IMO. There's an argument to be had about whether it's fair to use it in some league cup games but not others but that's a separate issue. The fact that it's being tested in one competition doesn't mean it's already been given the full seal of approval. They've obviously taken the stance that it's fairer to play the playoffs the "old fashioned" way rather than exposing such a high-importance set of fixtures to an as yet not fully perfected trial system if you get what I mean. If you think of it like software, just because you're running beta tests doesn't mean it's a good idea to implement the beta version on your critical productive systems. You only do that when you're fairly sure it's all going to work properly.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Not really IMO. There's an argument to be had about whether it's fair to use it in some league cup games but not others but that's a separate issue. The fact that it's being tested in one competition doesn't mean it's already been given the full seal of approval. They've obviously taken the stance that it's fairer to play the playoffs the "old fashioned" way rather than exposing such a high-importance set of fixtures to an as yet not fully perfected trial system if you get what I mean. If you think of it like software, just because you're running beta tests doesn't mean it's a good idea to implement the beta version on your critical productive systems. You only do that when you're fairly sure it's all going to work properly.

I've got you from the very first response mate. I just don't like the inconsistency within their own structure.

The Championship & League Cup are league competitions (not PL, UEFA OR FIFA) so rules should be the same throughout competitions affiliated to them.

It's simply not fair on the clubs that have either benefited or suffered because of VAR, or lack of it, when others haven't even had the option.

Should be the same throughout. That's all I'm trying to say.

 

['O Zio]

I've got you from the very first response mate. I just don't like the inconsistency within their own structure.

The Championship & League Cup are league competitions (not PL, UEFA OR FIFA) so rules should be the same throughout competitions affiliated to them.

It's simply not fair on the clubs that have either benefited or suffered because of VAR, or lack of it, when others haven't even had the option.

Should be the same throughout. That's all I'm trying to say.

But you're missing the point. You're treating it like VAR is the final polished product and has been fully given the green light by the football league and that for some bizarre reason they've just decided for shits and giggles to not let the playoffs have it. But that's not the case at all. VAR is still in a test/pilot phase at the moment, therefore, it's perfectly understandable to have it only used in certain competitions for the time being. Surely you can see the reasons for it? That's just how ALL trials/test work for anything everywhere. Whether it be a new software update like I mentioned before, or a new model of a product like a car for example. You always do a small-scale limited "release" of sorts to test it and make sure it works properly, and only then once you've got the kinks ironed out and you are confident that it works as designed, do you roll it out to everyone and everything. That's the only sensible way to do it. So if their limited test is that they've restricted it to one competition then so be it. It seems perfectly reasonable to me to do that rather than use an imperfect trial system to affect the outcome of a vital playoff game.

Like i said before, there's a debate to be had about whether it's fair that within the confines of that one competition there is also inconsistency by having some League Cup matches with VAR and some not. But that's a completely separate argument. Restricting it to one competition is perfectly reasonable for the trial phase IMO.

 

[Krule]

FA Cup: VAR replays to be shown on big screen during semi-finals if decision overturned - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47784414

This would seem to imply their total trust in the system....just doesn't make sense to me that a game of such importance to the winner is not fully equipped with every available means of "trusted' technology.

As the winner of the play off will be subjected to VAR every game next season what's the difference ?

 

[nailsy]

This sounds like a step forward.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47784414

Video assistant referee system (VAR) replays will be displayed to fans during this season's FA Cup semi-finals at Wembley if a decision is overturned.

VAR's decision will be announced on the big screen before a "definitive video clip" is shown.

It comes after criticism that decisions are sometimes unclear for fans inside stadiums.

The Football Association said it would provide "clarity" and "transparency" for those in attendance.

"The FA Cup has been at the forefront VAR testing process in England and this is the next step in its development," said Andy Ambler, the FA's director of professional game relations.

Replays of incidents reviewed by VAR were shown on big screens at the 2018 World Cup in Russia.

VAR has been used regularly in FA Cup ties over the past two seasons, making its debut in English football in Brighton's third-round win over Crystal Palace on 8 January, 2018.

It will be in use for both semi-finals this weekend as well as the final on 18 May. Manchester City face Brighton on Saturday before Watford play Wolves on Sunday.

Last month, Swansea players bemoaned the lack of VAR during their FA Cup quarter-final exit as Man City's equaliser was a contentious penalty and their winning goal looked to be offside.

VAR was not in use despite the Liberty Stadium being equipped for it.

The system is only being used in this season's FA Cup at Premier League grounds. It will be used in the Premier League from next season.

 

[Krule]

This sounds like a step forward.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47784414

Video assistant referee system (VAR) replays will be displayed to fans during this season's FA Cup semi-finals at Wembley if a decision is overturned.

VAR's decision will be announced on the big screen before a "definitive video clip" is shown.

It comes after criticism that decisions are sometimes unclear for fans inside stadiums.

The Football Association said it would provide "clarity" and "transparency" for those in attendance.

"The FA Cup has been at the forefront VAR testing process in England and this is the next step in its development," said Andy Ambler, the FA's director of professional game relations.

Replays of incidents reviewed by VAR were shown on big screens at the 2018 World Cup in Russia.

VAR has been used regularly in FA Cup ties over the past two seasons, making its debut in English football in Brighton's third-round win over Crystal Palace on 8 January, 2018.

It will be in use for both semi-finals this weekend as well as the final on 18 May. Manchester City face Brighton on Saturday before Watford play Wolves on Sunday.

Last month, Swansea players bemoaned the lack of VAR during their FA Cup quarter-final exit as Man City's equaliser was a contentious penalty and their winning goal looked to be offside.

VAR was not in use despite the Liberty Stadium being equipped for it.

The system is only being used in this season's FA Cup at Premier League grounds. It will be used in the Premier League from next season.

Ooops sorry Nailsy I created a new thread called "Championship Play Off Has No VAR" with the same basic content earlier. My apologies....if someone from admin wants to merge mine with the original then please do.

 

[nailsy]

Ooops sorry Nailsy I created a new thread called "Championship Play Off Has No VAR" with the same basic content earlier. My apologies....if someone from admin wants to merge mine with the original then please do.

No need to apologize to me. Is not always easy to find the right thread.

 

[Krule]

No need to apologize to me. Is not always easy to find the right thread.

Just asked Dougal if he can sort it mate... May as well have it all under one roof.

 

[werty]

I hope we eventually go down the Rugby and Cricket route where at home we can hear the officials talking about the decisions.

 

['O Zio]

I hope we eventually go down the Rugby and Cricket route where at home we can hear the officials talking about the decisions.

Would also be a step towards cutting out all the abuse refs get if everyone could hear just what ****s like Rooney were saying to them.