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VAR (Video Assistant Referee)

Good for the game?.

  • Yes

    Votes: 42 30.7%
  • No

    Votes: 95 69.3%

  • Total voters
    137

Kspur

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Jul 13, 2014
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The implementation of it is shocking. Don’t understand why it is being used so much. Just use it when the ref and Lino are unsure and want to check a big decision. Was watching in a bar with no sound today but it looked like they were checking everything all the time which is dreadful.
 

cwy21

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May 11, 2009
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Today they were almost trying to exaggerate how poorly it could be used. If I wore a tinfoil hat I'd say the FA was trying to do this on purpose so they wouldn't have to adopt it. Because this was a total farce.

It seems in England that the referees are scared of missing something big, so they go too far the other way and get over-involved.
 

cwy21

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May 11, 2009
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I think heavy investment is needed in refereeing as a whole. I think we’d benefit from young, properly trained referees instead of the usual 40-something retired police officers we generally have now.

They try. The FA fast-tracks young promising referees all the time. Stuart Attwell was one of them. Up into the Championship by the time he was 24 I think. Then he had the ghost goal happened and got absolutely destroyed in the media because he was fooled by an optical illusion. He's never reached the top top level (Champions League/World Cup) that it looked like could happen.

I think a big part of the problem is a young ref gets into the football league and has a poor game. God forbid a young professional have a bad day at work. Obviously it never happens with footballers... But when a young ref has a bad day, they get destroyed by fans and managers and have their named dragged trough the media. Unlike footballers, they don't have a supportive group to go train with the next day. They mostly train by themselves and have to deal with a lot of the mental pressure that athletes do. That's not the easiest thing to handle by yourself in your 20s. If you want to know why England is struggling to replace these older refs as they retire, the above might be a good place to start looking.
 

Archibald&Crooks

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Feb 1, 2005
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Blows my mind that they allowed VAR use to be executed so poorly. In application in Germany/US it's been handled pretty well without breaking up the flow of the game.
I wondered how it had been received elsewhere and this doesn't agree with you, although the very early onions were positive, as time has gone on it seems to have gotten worse
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5246317/England-excited-VAR-Germany-sick-it.html
Although Daily Mail......hehe
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/germ...var-project-manager-after-manipulation-claims

They need to go back to the drawing board on this I think. It's just not working in a way that keeps the fans happy and it's actually creating more controversy than it stops.

Its just bad.
 
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EastLondonYid

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Jan 26, 2010
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VAR used in this concept will never be accepted.

Football is not cricket which lasts from 1 day to 5, where an extra hour lost to video umpiring will hardly be noticed, infact might wake some fans up.
To a lesser extent the same applies to tennis.....both sports btw, are played in dry weather so you don't have the added farce of players standing around in the snow and rain risking injury while the ref stands there like a **** grinning with his hand in his ear while we all wait for what seems to be forever.

VAR ONLY acceptable if done much much quicker, and a replay is shown on the screen with sound so we can all hear how they get to the WRONG decision.....

What it did lastnite,was to manage to stop us celebrating any goals untill after the ref took his hand out of his fucking ear....that will kill all the joy out of the most important thing in the game...goals!!

I say get rid of the fucker .the way it is now.
 

nailsy

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Jul 24, 2005
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Thats just part of the game - bit of moaning one way or the other. Helps blow off steam.

The fans can moan all they want, but the managers and the pundits are obsessed with blaming the refs rather than looking at the other reasons for losing the game. Let's face it a bad decision by a ref is no worse than a player putting a decent chance wide of the goal or a defender losing his man at a corner.
 

dk-yid

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Jan 17, 2011
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Anyone get the sense that yesterdays ref thinks VAR is stupid and used his opportunity to show it. Just a gut feeling that I had when watching it.
 

DanielCHillier

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Feb 26, 2014
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Last night was the first time I've really seen it have a detrimental effect on the match, I'd say just use it for key offside calls where the decision is black and white and leave the rest of it to the on pitch ref.
 

Gb160

Well done boys. Good process
Jun 20, 2012
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Im not against it in principle, and I accept that this is a test, but from what we've seen so far its a no from me.

It completely ruins that moment when your team's just scored, both for fans in the ground and watching on TV.
They're the moments the game is all about, for both the players and fans.

I hope to god the Premier League follow UEFA and refuse to implement it for next season....its not ready, its nowhere near ready.

Goal line technology has been pretty much perfect and thankfully we'll see no more of the Roy Carroll at old Trafford/Frank Lampard at the World Cup type incidents, but the reason it works is because its instantaneous....this isn't and I don't see how it ever will be.
 

WiganSpur

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Aug 31, 2012
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The implementation of it is shocking. Don’t understand why it is being used so much. Just use it when the ref and Lino are unsure and want to check a big decision. Was watching in a bar with no sound today but it looked like they were checking everything all the time which is dreadful.
I agree but the problem is you'll then get people debating as to why a particular decision wasn't sent to VAR.
 

Spurs' Pipe Dreams

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Aug 14, 2011
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I like it, although for me it would be for the manager to challenge the ref decision and they get 2 a half, get a challenge wrong and you lose 1, get it right and you don't.

With the current system, the ref is always questioning his own decision and it creates doubt in the ref and players mind, undermining the flow of the game and not allowing the ref to manage the game properly
 

slartibartfast

Grunge baby forever
Oct 21, 2012
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Its not as simple as 'Are you for or against VAR.'
The current implementation of it is an absolute shambles.
I firmly believe its been done like this on purpose so they can try and get rid of it completely once and for all.
If its anything other than that then its the most breathtaking level of incompetence ever.
I'm pro VAR but even before a game had been played using it I heard on TS how they were going to use it and couldn't believe what I was hearing. It could never work in this format. You dont need to trial it, it was bloody obvious. And thats without the seemingly inexplicable delay its taking to make a decision. The studio watch a replay 2 or 3 times, make a decision.... and then we wait..... and wait...... and wait.
Seriously wtf are these twats doing? Making a cuppa? Running a bath?
Its like they're not even watching the game and then the phone goes.
Ref gets put on hold and has to listen to some shit lift music for 30secs.
They finish what they're doing, drag their ass of the sofa and answer.
'Hello'
'Hi, its the ref at Spurs match. Yeah Ive got a decision I need you to check.'
'Oh ffs. Ok hang on, I'll just turn SKY on...
They're now gonna show it again, hang on.... Hmmm.... Wait a mo I'll get Wayne to find which law that refers to so we're 100% right.... '
2mins later
'Yep law 116. Thanks for calling.'

Pathetic set up. It must be intentional. I refuse to believe the powers that be didn't see this current process would be anything other than a cock up.
 

spursfan77

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Aug 13, 2005
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The best thing about football is celebrating your team scoring a goal. VAR takes away that moment.

Yep. That’s what Poch has said (I’ve posted his quotes in the match thread from last night) and that people will just stay at home and watch the game on tv as there won’t be any point being in the stadium.

I hope that it’s a complete disaster in the World Cup and that turns everyone off.
 

spursfan77

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Aug 13, 2005
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Its not as simple as 'Are you for or against VAR.'
The current implementation of it is an absolute shambles.
I firmly believe its been done like this on purpose so they can try and get rid of it completely once and for all.
If its anything other than that then its the most breathtaking level of incompetence ever.
I'm pro VAR but even before a game had been played using it I heard on TS how they were going to use it and couldn't believe what I was hearing. It could never work in this format. You dont need to trial it, it was bloody obvious. And thats without the seemingly inexplicable delay its taking to make a decision. The studio watch a replay 2 or 3 times, make a decision.... and then we wait..... and wait...... and wait.
Seriously wtf are these twats doing? Making a cuppa? Running a bath?
Its like they're not even watching the game and then the phone goes.
Ref gets put on hold and has to listen to some shit lift music for 30secs.
They finish what they're doing, drag their ass of the sofa and answer.
'Hello'
'Hi, its the ref at Spurs match. Yeah Ive got a decision I need you to check.'
'Oh ffs. Ok hang on, I'll just turn SKY on...
They're now gonna show it again, hang on.... Hmmm.... Wait a mo I'll get Wayne to find which law that refers to so we're 100% right.... '
2mins later
'Yep law 116. Thanks for calling.'

Pathetic set up. It must be intentional. I refuse to believe the powers that be didn't see this current process would be anything other than a cock up.

It won’t be, it will be incompetence 100%.
 

cider spurs

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Jul 5, 2016
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That 1st half resembled an episode of 'Football's funniest moments'.

#Shambollockall
 

cider spurs

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Jul 5, 2016
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I'm not getting drawn into last night's VAR debate. Much rather wait for the informed clarification of rules and actualities from the Pool fans. :D
 

Teemu

Pretty fly for a Tanguy
Jan 12, 2006
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I agree but the problem is you'll then get people debating as to why a particular decision wasn't sent to VAR.

Completely agree. Why was the Llorente one reviewed, when the bodycheck on Moura wasn't? And how far back do you have to go? What if there is a potential foul, and then 40 passes in the build up to a goal? Do you go all the way back?

It doesn't work. Bin it.
 

EastLondonYid

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Jan 26, 2010
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If VAR was a person


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