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VAR (Video Assistant Referee)

Good for the game?.

  • Yes

    Votes: 42 30.7%
  • No

    Votes: 95 69.3%

  • Total voters
    137

Stevespurs71

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With some of the VAR ‘decisions’ you’re better off asking who isn’t gonna get shafted!!! Really can’t be arsed with the WC tbh (il watch but really can’t help this overwhelming feeling of meh for it) #crookedfifa
 

LexingtonSpurs

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Aug 27, 2013
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So anyone know the odds on VAR shafting someone out of winning the World Cup?

Odd way of putting it. I think generally VAR gets the "correct" calls - so nobody would be "shafted"

But, I think VAR is over-used, and really should be limited to "obvious" errors, instead of nitpicking over a couple of inches on an offside call, or a shirt grab.
 

basespur

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Aug 15, 2008
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Odd way of putting it. I think generally VAR gets the "correct" calls - so nobody would be "shafted"

But, I think VAR is over-used, and really should be limited to "obvious" errors, instead of nitpicking over a couple of inches on an offside call, or a shirt grab.
Can't completely agree with this. Definitely it is over-used right now, but I do also think there's a tendency for decisions to be different viewed in slow motion. What I mean is that not all contact in the box is a penalty, but i do think that under VAR looking at something in slow motion they will give a penalty every time if there is contact. We'll see...
 

'O Zio

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Dec 27, 2014
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One more for debate: https://streamable.com/6qnis

NE 3-2 Toronto is how it finished. Giovinco just scored a penalty, 89 mins, then this happens. Straight red. Nothing for the NE player who tried to grab the ball.

Suppose you do have to send Giovinco off for raising his hand, but the NE player instigates it to disrupt the restart and gets nothing. But given the context - last minute, just scored, trying to restart quickly and then interfered with by an opponent - maybe the ref should be more lenient and understanding. A comment on the /soccer reddit forum says the same ref (Mark Geiger) has a habit of giving out reds. If you look at his recent record, https://uk.soccerway.com/referees/mark-geiger/82588/, 4 reds in the last 7 games :D

He didn't give a clear pen for NE vs DC United in 2015, which could have made it 2-2, and Jermaine Jones ended up pushing him (got rightly sent off..) then Jones said in a statement: 'The problem is not only this game. It’s always the games when Geiger has us. These are really important games. If you have a referee that cannot handle it, and D.C. say they have a problem with him and we say we are not happy with him, then something is wrong.' as well as apologising....

Anyway, nothing here means Giovinco shouldn't have been sent off. Just that they've got a ref who knows where his red card is and isn't afraid of using it.

Earlier in the season, Giovinco was punched by a Chivas player and nothing was given even though it was seen, and Mark Noble earlier this week (without VAR...) The problem with VAR, as ever, is trusting those in charge of it.

Red card all day for Giovinco. As they said in the commentary, you can't put your hand to someone's face, end of. Well, unless you're Mo Salah apparently but that's a different story. Whether or not he has given out a lot of reds in the past is irrelevant to be honest. What's he supposed to do? Just because he gave a red in another game he should let them off this time? The old saying two wrongs don't make a right springs to mind.

As for the other guy, that should've been either a talking to or at most yellow. Not sure what the fuss is about to be honest, it was a stupid little thing and didn't actually hinder the restart in any way. If that's there argument I'd say Giovinco turning round and reacting to it delays the restart far more than what the other bloke did.
 

cider spurs

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Jul 5, 2016
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Looking at today's games at WC thus far. Not called upon when required, correct decisions not given when used.

Still a shambles.
 

tototoner

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Mar 21, 2004
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I think VAR been great this world cup as it has only been used when needed, not for every bloody decision like in the FA Cup
 

cider spurs

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Let's at least have the correct decisions if it is used.

France and penalty award as prime example.
 

allatsea

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Aug 31, 2012
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What Is the point of VAR if people don’t Feel it has corrected errors or much worse made errors of its own ?
 

ajspurs

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Jul 7, 2007
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Really don't like VAR. I hate the whole scoring of a goal but 'let's wait and see it there was this foul or offside in the build up' before you can truly celebrate.

I honestly prefer the bit of controversy and a few wrong decisions than VAR at the moment.
 

nicdic

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May 8, 2005
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Looking at today's games at WC thus far. Not called upon when required, correct decisions not given when used.

Still a shambles.
It was definitely a penalty, as was the Peru one.

Being used much better than it was in the FA Cup.
 

slartibartfast

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Oct 21, 2012
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What Is the point of VAR if people don’t Feel it has corrected errors or much worse made errors of its own ?
Eh?
They have corrected game changing decisions today with the penalties.
Without VAR the wrong decision would have been given.
The point is there wont be blatant game changing errors like Lampards goal, Maradonnas handball or Henrys handball etc etc.
Surely not getting kicked out of a massive tournament that only happens every 4 years because of the bloody referee has to be a good thing no?
 

willcpt17

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Apr 7, 2018
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My main fear with VAR is that it will undermine the officials and cause them to lose confidence in themselves. Furthermore, if you are a ref it could cause you to be lazy: Why make a call when you can just stop the game and go look at the monitor?

Really don't like VAR. I hate the whole scoring of a goal but 'let's wait and see it there was this foul or offside in the build up' before you can truly celebrate.

I honestly prefer the bit of controversy and a few wrong decisions than VAR at the moment.
Totally agree, it has the potential to really kill the flow of the game.
 

nicdic

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My main fear with VAR is that it will undermine the officials and cause them to lose confidence in themselves. Furthermore, if you are a ref it could cause you to be lazy: Why make a call when you can just stop the game and go look at the monitor?


Totally agree, it has the potential to really kill the flow of the game.

Are you even watching how it's being used at the World Cup? Going back to look at decisions after play has stopped, decisions being made relatively quickly.
 

lol

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Aug 31, 2008
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Really don't like VAR. I hate the whole scoring of a goal but 'let's wait and see it there was this foul or offside in the build up' before you can truly celebrate.

I honestly prefer the bit of controversy and a few wrong decisions than VAR at the moment.

only until the decision goes against you. if you ever played you will know that anguish of knowing you got fucked yet theres nothing you can do about it. VAR all day for me. be fair to the players.
 

cider spurs

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It was definitely a penalty, as was the Peru one.

Being used much better than it was in the FA Cup.


Peru I agree.

France...the aussie player got the ball, slight touch but got the ball.

Didn't take the bloke out from behind, very harsh penalty after VAR imo.

Agreed better than before, but still shambolic at times. I've seen an episode today (Argentina match I think) where a blatant penalty would've been awarded if VAR was used. It wasn't...why?.

...prior, when it was used regarding France, wrong decision.

Conclusion...slightly better shambles.
 
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willcpt17

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Apr 7, 2018
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Are you even watching how it's being used at the World Cup? Going back to look at decisions after play has stopped, decisions being made relatively quickly.
Yes, and I think it has been used very effectively today at the World Cup. I guess I am basing my opinion on VAR off of what has happened in the FA Cup and other domestic cup competitions. I think VAR will be good for the game, it just may take some time for the way it is implemented to be perfected, though it looks pretty good so far in the World Cup
 

slartibartfast

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Oct 21, 2012
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Peru I agree.

France...the aussie player got the ball, slight touch but got the ball.

Didn't take the bloke out from behind, very harsh penalty after VAR imo.
If you win the ball and take out a player afterwards its still a foul.
It was a pen. He caught his foot.
 

cider spurs

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Jul 5, 2016
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Sorry, but chappies forward momentum had to be a factor for his foor being caught post defender WINNING the ball.

Anywhere else on the pitch I bet that's applauded as a well timed tackle.
 
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