VAR (Video Assistant Referee)

[ajspurs]

only until the decision goes against you. if you ever played you will know that anguish of knowing you got fucked yet theres nothing you can do about it. VAR all day for me. be fair to the players.

I say that knowing it's swings and roundabouts though, yeah there'll be times where we get fucked but there'd be times that we'd get away with it too. I just don't like how there's still controversy about it and for me, if we're not gonna be talking about referees then I think VAR will just take their place.

I have to say I do like it being used when there's a penalty in question, like in this current Denmark match but I hate the after goal use of it. Scoring, celebrating and then waiting to see if you can actually continue celebrating after some check for something in the build up. I hate that. When we score I want to celebrate it fully not half heartedly.

 

[tiger666]

Sorry, but chappies forward momentum had to be a factor for his foor being caught post defender WINNING the ball.

Anywhere else on the pitch I bet that's applauded as a well timed tackle.

He didn't WIN the ball, he may have got the slightest of touches.

 

[cider spurs]

He didn't WIN the ball, he may have got the slightest of touches.

So no penalty.

Both players intended to touch the ball. The defender beat the attacker to do this. Therefore he won the ball.

If a keeper gets the slightest touch with his glove to angle the ball wide and deny a goal...has he made a save.

I don't care how miniscule the touch, he touched it and made a fine tackle.

If that's considered taking a player out...feck me, we all might just as well quit and follow netball.

 

[lol]

I say that knowing it's swings and roundabouts though, yeah there'll be times where we get fucked but there'd be times that we'd get away with it too. I just don't like how there's still controversy about it and for me, if we're not gonna be talking about referees then I think VAR will just take their place.

I have to say I do like it being used when there's a penalty in question, like in this current Denmark match but I hate the after goal use of it. Scoring, celebrating and then waiting to see if you can actually continue celebrating after some check for something in the build up. I hate that. When we score I want to celebrate it fully not half heartedly.

well you still get clear on goals most of the times, its just that sometimes it has to be reviewed. to be honest i rather not get away with it. i hate the feeling of getting fuck more than loving the feeling of getting away. i rather get what is rightfully mine and others get what is rightfully theirs.

 

[Shadydan]

Looking at today's games at WC thus far. Not called upon when required, correct decisions not given when used.

Still a shambles.

No way, it's working and I've always said that it will work if it's been used correctly which it is.

 

[cwy21]

It's been very successful so far, especially since the expectation for many was "complete disaster". The problem is it won't work this well in a top flight league for a long time but I won't dive into the details of why because I suspect no one would care.

 

[ajspurs]

well you still get clear on goals most of the times, its just that sometimes it has to be reviewed. to be honest i rather not get away with it. i hate the feeling of getting fuck more than loving the feeling of getting away. i rather get what is rightfully mine and others get what is rightfully theirs.

Yeah I know what you mean. I'm kind of split though to be honest, I think it's been used well in the WC so far but I still don't like the flow of some matches with it and the indecision over some goals scored with it being present. I guess you can't have it both ways!

 

[Lennon1981]

So no penalty.

Both players intended to touch the ball. The defender beat the attacker to do this. Therefore he won the ball.

If a keeper gets the slightest touch with his glove to angle the ball wide and deny a goal...has he made a save.

I don't care how miniscule the touch, he touched it and made a fine tackle.

If that's considered taking a player out...feck me, we all might just as well quit and follow netball.

He won / got a touch of the ball initially but the ball carried on in its trajectory and he took the man... had he not caught his ankle Griezmann was clear through.

You don’t have a right as a defender to follow through and take the man too.

Stone wall pen for me

 

[cider spurs]

No way, it's working and I've always said that it will work if it's been used correctly which it is.

Maybe I've not explained myself clearly enough.

I agree it is a vast improvement in the speed, and way it is being used.

Where I am somewhat struggling is the two (minimal) episodes where I believe a. It should've been used and wasn't, and b. the resulting decision after using it was wrong.

Granted, b. The award of France penalty could maybe have gone either way. But for me with the benefit of VAR, it clearly shows the defender winning the ball, and I'd suggest won fairly.

 

[Shadydan]

Maybe I've not explained myself clearly enough.

I agree it is a vast improvement in the speed, and way it is being used.

Where I am somewhat struggling is the two (minimal) episodes where I believe a. It should've been used and wasn't, and b. the resulting decision after using it was wrong.

Granted, b. The award of France penalty could maybe have gone either way. But for me with the benefit of VAR, it clearly shows the defender winning the ball, and I'd suggest won fairly.

That's not down to VAR that's down to the ref and in any case it was clearly a difficult decision to make. There is literally nothing wrong with VAR it's just down to the refs and their teams to use it correctly.

 

[Lennon1981]

Maybe I've not explained myself clearly enough.

I agree it is a vast improvement in the speed, and way it is being used.

Where I am somewhat struggling is the two (minimal) episodes where I believe a. It should've been used and wasn't, and b. the resulting decision after using it was wrong.

Granted, b. The award of France penalty could maybe have gone either way. But for me with the benefit of VAR, it clearly shows the defender winning the ball, and I'd suggest won fairly.

He got a touch to the ball but THEN took the man when he had the ability to carry on to goal.

Had he taken ball and man at the same time then fair enough but he didn’t he won the ball then fouled the man

 

[cwy21]

Where I am somewhat struggling is the two (minimal) episodes where I believe a. It should've been used and wasn't.

This will always be an issue. Referees will never be exactly on the same page on what constitutes a clear foul. I personally think the PK to France was a clear foul. I would have also understood if the VAR would have considered it not to be clear. I know everyone wants perfect and absolute clarity and consistency but it's not possible.

VAR is going to catch a few big mistakes, a lot of regular mistakes, and then probably miss the occasional one it should have caught. But missing the occasional one isn't a good reason to throw the system away.

 

[danedan679]

Ive always been very much against it, but must say it’s worked quite well so far

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

If he’d clearly the ball out he’d have got away with that imo. He didn’t and the attacker still had control of the ball when he bought him down. Pen.

I was worried about VAR after some of the shambles we saw this season. So far so good though. Hope it continues like this.

 

[nicdic]

Maybe I've not explained myself clearly enough.

I agree it is a vast improvement in the speed, and way it is being used.

Where I am somewhat struggling is the two (minimal) episodes where I believe a. It should've been used and wasn't, and b. the resulting decision after using it was wrong.

Granted, b. The award of France penalty could maybe have gone either way. But for me with the benefit of VAR, it clearly shows the defender winning the ball, and I'd suggest won fairly.

The touch on the ball the defender gets hardly changes the direction or pace of the ball, and if he doesn't bring Griezmann down with the follow through he would have retained possession of the ball. That's why it's a foul and a penalty. Any other decision would have completely missed the point. Touching the ball ≠ winning the ball.

 

[Gbspurs]

I think its worked well so far. I don't think it's been "overused". They obviously check every goal but you don't feel like you are waiting for the VAR to sign off the goal before it's given and in the instances it has been used it has been right which is ultimately what it's all about.

One really good benefit is in the portugal vs Spain match after the penalty was awarded Ramos charged up to the ref and started laying into him, the ref pointed to his ear and basically said it has been checked and defo a pen and Ramos shrugged and walked away.

By giving the refs a 2nd level of help it takes away the risk of any doubt/feelings of injustice and the game can just carry on.

 

[cwy21]

the ref pointed to his ear and basically said it has been checked and defo a pen and Ramos shrugged and walked away.

One of the main criticisms against VAR is the amount of time wasted. Without VAR how much time would Spain have spent surrounding the ref complaining about the PK? A minute? More? It took less time for the VAR to check and confirm it was a PK. People never seem to mention that part because I guess surrounding the ref is "apart of the game" and VAR isn't.

 

[nicdic]

One of the main criticisms against VAR is the amount of time wasted. Without VAR how much time would Spain have spent surrounding the ref complaining about the PK? A minute? More? It took less time for the VAR to check and confirm it was a PK. People never seem to mention that part because I guess surrounding the ref is "apart of the game" and VAR isn't.

And the whole you don't know if you can celebrate thing is rubbish. You celebrate as if you've scored. The only goal that appeared to have confusion in that regard was the French winner, but that wasn't due to VAR, it was a combination of people being unsure whether the ball had crossed the line, and the fact that it was the defender and not Pogba who kicked the ball.

 

[Japhet]

2 rugby tackles on Harry Kane v Tunisia. Absolutely clear as day and yet not a peep from VAR. No point in having it if that's the best they can do. Joke.

 

[etchedchaos]

2 rugby tackles on Harry Kane v Tunisia. Absolutely clear as day and yet not a peep from VAR. No point in having it if that's the best they can do. Joke.

Seems the Ref has to initiate VAR, if the Ref is a dick, VAR is useless.