VAR (Video Assistant Referee)

[Shadydan]

But it has been for a very long time, the assaults on Kane should have even picked up by the ref or linesman, VAR should not be needed for that.

But they weren't which is why VAR is needed.

No idea what your argument is now?

 

[cwy21]

But they weren't which is why VAR is needed.

No idea what your argument is now?

I love when the argument goes back to "the refs shouldn't make mistakes in the first place". That would be great but they do. Strikers shouldn't miss sitters and goalkeepers shouldn't maker howlers either but they do.

 

[Donki]

But they weren't which is why VAR is needed.

No idea what your argument is now?

I don’t like the system as is, even with VAR the Kane incidents were missed... let me guess it’s a work in progress , not everything has to be an argument FFS.

 

[Shadydan]

I don’t like the system as is, even with VAR the Kane incidents were missed... let me guess it’s a work in progress , not everything has to be an argument FFS.

We're having a debate, you're literally turning this into an argument lol

If you don't like it fine but if you're going to put up points that are open to debate then why wouldn't you expect someone to counter them?

 

[Donki]

We're having a debate, you're literally turning this into an argument lol

If you don't like it fine but if you're going to put up points that are open to debate then why wouldn't you expect someone to counter them?

Ok mate.

 

[SandroClegane]

another instance of VAR being properly used today.

 

[tiger666]

another instance of VAR being properly used today.

Yep, apart from our match it's worked brilliantly imo.

 

[tiger666]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44508993

World Cup 2018: VAR helps tournament reach 10 penalties - so is it working?

A "fairer World Cup", better player behaviour and a reduction in the "mobbing" of officials.

The introduction of video assistant referees was one of the major issues heading into this World Cup and, as expected, it has been a near constant talking point during the first round of games.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I don’t like the system as is, even with VAR the Kane incidents were missed... let me guess it’s a work in progress , not everything has to be an argument FFS.

But it very much is a work in progress isn't it, and that process is in it's embryonic stage.

Corners are very problematic as there are anywhere between 16-20 bodies all jostling and VAR could potentially have to be looking at most of them. And as I said previously to you, I think for this WC, the policy may be that VAR won't do that for basic corner stuff, they will just get involved if the ref sees something - and verify/deny it. Even if I'm wrong, whatever the policy is, as long as it's unilateral, it's fair. And so far we haven't seen VAR give one corner pen, a ref gave one and it was confirmed by VAR.

It will evolve. It already has. I would rather it get to the stage where the pitch ref does not have to look at a screen, they just trust the VAR refs to make more decisions.

And even if VAR isn't perfect, it's still a massive step in the right direction. It's getting important decisions right - and the figures massively support this in Italy and Germany. And the bullshit about them evening themselves out has always been a complete misnomer. That's no good to a team that has major issues sometimes riding on these "incorrect" decisions.

And why should football accept constant, widespread cheating - and I don't just mean diving, I mean fouling, injuring, snidey shit, spoiling etc - VAR doesn't change nature of the game at all, it just means players have to be better, read the game better, tackle better, they can no longer takes many liberties with the rules and trust in it not getting picked up and costing them nothing, at worst a retrospective ban after they've already got the points etc. And intelligent football, creative football will get the protection it deserves, not the cheats.

 

[Donki]

But it very much is a work in progress isn't it, and that process is in it's embryonic stage.

Corners are very problematic as there are anywhere between 16-20 bodies all jostling and VAR could potentially have to be looking at most of them. And as I said previously to you, I think for this WC, the policy may be that VAR won't do that for basic corner stuff, they will just get involved if the ref sees something - and verify/deny it. Even if I'm wrong, whatever the policy is, as long as it's unilateral, it's fair. And so far we haven't seen VAR give one corner pen, a ref gave one and it was confirmed by VAR.

It will evolve. It already has. I would rather it get to the stage where the pitch ref does not have to look at a screen, they just trust the VAR refs to make more decisions.

And even if VAR isn't perfect, it's still a massive step in the right direction. It's getting important decisions right - and the figures massively support this in Italy and Germany. And the bullshit about them evening themselves out has always been a complete misnomer. That's no good to a team that has major issues sometimes riding on these "incorrect" decisions.

And why should football accept constant, widespread cheating - and I don't just mean diving, I mean fouling, injuring, snidey shit, spoiling etc - VAR doesn't change nature of the game at all, it just means players have to be better, read the game better, tackle better, they can no longer takes many liberties with the rules and trust in it not getting picked up and costing them nothing, at worst a retrospective ban after they've already got the points etc. And intelligent football, creative football will get the protection it deserves, not the cheats.

I get the idea but in reality there is millimetres and milliseconds between a good tackle and a horrendous challenge. Yes you have the Charlie Adam’s of football but I don’t think the majority of players go out to foul the opposition when tackling. It will get to the point where the slide tackle becomes obsolete.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I get the idea but in reality there is millimetres and milliseconds between a good tackle and a horrendous challenge. Yes you have the Charlie Adam’s of football but I don’t think the majority of players go out to foul the opposition when tackling. It will get to the point where the slide tackle becomes obsolete.

No, it will get to the point where the slide tackle is done properly and if it's it done recklessly it will get the appropriate punishment.

The reality is that it doesn't matter if it's millimetres and milliseconds, if it's a foul, it's a foul and it deserves to be called one, and I'd rather it be decided equitably and unilaterally than the deeply flawed - and open to bias and error - method currently employed.

 

[Donki]

No, it will get to the point where the slide tackle is done properly and if it's it done recklessly it will get the appropriate punishment.

The reality is that it doesn't matter if it's millimetres and milliseconds, if it's a foul, it's a foul and it deserves to be called one, and I'd rather it be decided equitably and unilaterally than the deeply flawed - and open to bias and error - method currently employed.

Time will tell, our card tally last season would be pretty bad if VAR hard of been used. We got away with some pretty horrendous challenges and borderline profession fouls, yes I’m looking at Dembele. I get it will change the way players go into a tackle but it won’t change overnight

 

[eViL]

Teams should just get a number of challenges per game where they can ask the ref to look at an incident. After they are used up the game doesn't need further scrutiny.

Captains should be given the option and it'll put a more tactical use of VAR onto the teams - it would certainly improve the entertainment value and create new talking points after games.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Time will tell, our card tally last season would be pretty bad if VAR hard of been used. We got away with some pretty horrendous challenges and borderline profession fouls, yes I’m looking at Dembele. I get it will change the way players go into a tackle but it won’t change overnight

I don't think anyone expects it to all change over night. As we said, it's a process, it needs to evolve. But the game needs it. I'm fed up with major games continually being decided by bad decisions and cheats. Ultimately, I want them decided by football. And I'm fed up with listening to shit managers and stupid footballers - and us - blaming refs for everything.

 

[worcestersauce]

I have been undecided about VAR but I'm now convinced, it's a crock of shit.
Goal line technology is a binary decision, it is over the line or it isn't there is no discussion it works perfectly, I wasn't for it before it came in but it has convinced me but VAR is nothing of the kind.
VAR is supposed to correct a clear and obvious mistake but during this world cup it has done nothing of the kind, even supporters say it has been right on every occasion except one, in which case then it has been wrong! I contend that it has been wrong on more than one occasion, in fact on every occasion it has been used there has been a difference of opinion, not one of them has been clear, obvious and unanimous and that makes it a failure.
People have argued that it should have been used in the Harry Kane incident as though that is an argument for it without seeming to grasp the fact that it was used, someone in the VAR box "decided" not to refer it but they used it if only to make that choice and that is my problem with it, all it does is increase the number of people able to make the wrong decision.
There may be one ray of hope and that is that referees can disregard the call to refer it to VAR, at this world cup it is pretty clear that referees are being directed by VAR the inference being that they ought to follow it's recommendation when it should only be guidance and still remain their decision, if it is absolutely clear and obvious they'll have no problem but in future it will only be of any worth if the referee is prepared to say fuck off I saw it and I stand by my decision and stop bloody well questioning me with nothing more than your opinions.
The fact that it has been used so much without any clear cut incident is proof to me that it isn't working properly(yet).

 

[Donki]

... . How the fuck was that a pen for Australia?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I have been undecided about VAR but I'm now convinced, it's a crock of shit.
Goal line technology is a binary decision, it is over the line or it isn't there is no discussion it works perfectly, I wasn't for it before it came in but it has convinced me but VAR is nothing of the kind.
VAR is supposed to correct a clear and obvious mistake but during this world cup it has done nothing of the kind, even supporters say it has been right on every occasion except one, in which case then it has been wrong! I contend that it has been wrong on more than one occasion, in fact on every occasion it has been used there has been a difference of opinion, not one of them has been clear, obvious and unanimous and that makes it a failure.
People have argued that it should have been used in the Harry Kane incident as though that is an argument for it without seeming to grasp the fact that it was used, someone in the VAR box "decided" not to refer it but they used it if only to make that choice and that is my problem with it, all it does is increase the number of people able to make the wrong decision.
There may be one ray of hope and that is that referees can disregard the call to refer it to VAR, at this world cup it is pretty clear that referees are being directed by VAR the inference being that they ought to follow it's recommendation when it should only be guidance and still remain their decision, if it is absolutely clear and obvious they'll have no problem but in future it will only be of any worth if the referee is prepared to say fuck off I saw it and I stand by my decision and stop bloody well questioning me with nothing more than your opinions.
The fact that it has been used so much without any clear cut incident is proof to me that it isn't working properly(yet).

It's corrected at least 12 major - potentially game changing - incorrect decisions, in about 23 games. It's been in proper use in two major leagues for 8 months. It's complex, and clearly has a way to go to evolve into something that functions more comprehensively and smoothly.

I think it got one wrong today, with the Poulsen handball, but as you say, the referee had a chance to look at it again and made the call, having not given it previously. That's not VAR's fault per se, that's the ref's.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

... . How the fuck was that a pen for Australia?

Poor decision IMO, but again, it was the ref's ultimate decision to change this.

 

[cwy21]

Poor decision IMO, but again, it was the ref's ultimate decision to change this.

Which I think is the main argument against having the VAR make every decision which many people seem to want. The ref literally spent five seconds at the monitor and decided to give the PK. But in the end it was his decision.

 

[worcestersauce]

It's corrected at least 12 major - potentially game changing - incorrect decisions, in about 23 games. It's been in proper use in two major leagues for 8 months. It's complex, and clearly has a way to go to evolve into something that functions more comprehensively and smoothly.

I think it got one wrong today, with the Poulsen handball, but as you say, the referee had a chance to look at it again and made the call, having not given it previously. That's not VAR's fault per se, that's the ref's.

In your opinion but certainly not in mine, last night I saw a Croatian player put in a last man saving tackle that cleared the ball but there was contact with the follow through and he got the plaudits and rightly so but when the Australian did it against France VAR incorrectly referred it. If the man in the VAR box is using nothing but his opinion then it is totally flawed, I believe the referee got all three decisions correct in the first place and nothing has convinced me otherwise.