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VAR (Video Assistant Referee)

Good for the game?.

  • Yes

    Votes: 42 30.7%
  • No

    Votes: 95 69.3%

  • Total voters
    137

Shadydan

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There would have been far more errors which would have led to far more complaints if VAR wasn't been used.
 

Donki

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Poor decision IMO, but again, it was the ref's ultimate decision to change this.

But this is the problem, we are making refs second guess themselves in 30 seconds with 10s of thousands of fans on their back.
 

coys200

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There would have been far more errors which would have led to far more complaints if VAR wasn't been used.

When you think there won’t be one wrong offside decision makes it worth it just for that. Insane it won’t be used in PL next season it’s clearly ready at this level of functionality. The other upside will be more goals imo. As we’ve seen no 0-0 yet don’t think it’s a coincidence. There will obviously be more penalties. And gradually holding on set pieces will be a thing of the past leading to more goals. Ultimately if there’s a big decision in the Semi or final that VAR gets right it will be seen as a huge success.
 
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worcestersauce

"I'm no optimist I'm just a prisoner of hope
Jan 23, 2006
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There would have been far more errors which would have led to far more complaints if VAR wasn't been used.
When? Surely if that was the case there would have been more referrals not just the debatable ones that we've had. There can't have been more because var has been in operation.

When you think there won’t be one wrong offside decision makes it worth it just for that. Insane it won’t be used in PL next season it’s clearly ready at this level of functionality. The other upside will be more goals imo. As we’ve seen no 0-0 yet don’t think it’s a coincidence. There will obviously be more penalties. And gradually holding on set pieces will be a thing of the past leading to more goals. Ultimately if there’s a big decision in the Semi or final that VAR gets right it will be seen as a huge success.
It seems wrong to me to award penalties willy nilly just because it avoids 0-0 results.
 

Shadydan

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When? Surely if that was the case there would have been more referrals not just the debatable ones that we've had. There can't have been more because var has been in operation.

Put yourself in a parallel universe if VAR wasn't being used in this World Cup, for example nothing changes in the Kane incident, if VAR hadn't been used I guarantee that people would be calling for VAR and complaining that the ref missed it.

At the end of the day people just like to moan for the sake of moaning (not saying that's you) and when there's new radical changes it's always met with skepticism but it's early days and it's gonna take a couple of years of stability before we see consistency. At the moment though it's in it's infancy so mistakes will happen but I just don't agree that VAR isn't working when it blatantly is (it's already corrected 12 major decisions this tournament), save the 1 or 2 incidents which VAR has not have picked up but it's not going to be perfect, it still relies on human judgement and their interpretation.
 

Bus-Conductor

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In your opinion but certainly not in mine, last night I saw a Croatian player put in a last man saving tackle that cleared the ball but there was contact with the follow through and he got the plaudits and rightly so but when the Australian did it against France VAR incorrectly referred it. If the man in the VAR box is using nothing but his opinion then it is totally flawed, I believe the referee got all three decisions correct in the first place and nothing has convinced me otherwise.

It’s not totally flawed, just flawed. But a lot less flawed than one guy, trying to see everything in a nano second over 5000 m2.
 

worcestersauce

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It’s not totally flawed, just flawed. But a lot less flawed than one guy, trying to see everything in a nano second over 5000 m2.
We've got by with one guy and his two linesmen for the last hundred and fifty years, the thing is we now have another man sitting in a box somewhere who is never going to sit through game after game never calling the referral because he is going to try to justify his existance. I also believe where a player used to have one man to con he now has two men and he only really has to con one of them so he gets two chances becuase, as we know, var isn't perfect or even close to it.
Sorry but I genuinely believe the case hasn't been made to the contrary in fact.
 

Bus-Conductor

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We've got by with one guy and his two linesmen for the last hundred and fifty years, the thing is we now have another man sitting in a box somewhere who is never going to sit through game after game never calling the referral because he is going to try to justify his existance. I also believe where a player used to have one man to con he now has two men and he only really has to con one of them so he gets two chances becuase, as we know, var isn't perfect or even close to it.
Sorry but I genuinely believe the case hasn't been made to the contrary in fact.

We got by for about 3000 years thinking the earth was flat. Life evolves. I'm pretty sure, in a few years time, most people will be wondering why we put up with such a piss poor system for so long when other major sports didn't.
 
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worcestersauce

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Jan 23, 2006
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We got by for about 3000 years thinking the earth was flat. Life evolves. I'm pretty sue, in a few years time, most people will be wondering why we put up with such a piss poor system for so long when other major sports didn't.
Poor comparison and it wasn't a piss poor system, as I said before if referees retake control and refuse the referral from time to time there may be hope but it isn't as simple as goal line technology so I think there will always be trouble with it.
 

beats1

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Poor comparison and it wasn't a piss poor system, as I said before if referees retake control and refuse the referral from time to time there may be hope but it isn't as simple as goal line technology so I think there will always be trouble with it.
But isn't it better than the system we have now
 

cwy21

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But isn't it better than the system we have now

It sounds a lot like the driverless car debate. If it isn't perfect than it shouldn't be used instead of it's a significant improvement so it should be used.
 

Sykes

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Awfully used today in the Iran game, however it didnt help that the ref used VAR and still got to the wrong decision.
 

Sykes

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The ref was the problem, not the system.
I do agree to an extent but the inclusion of this has meant extra pressure on the referee with the VAR signals every 2 seconds from players and managers alike, almost pressured into silly decision like we saw tonight. Also, how it takes the people upstairs 2 mins to work out whether he should review is beyond me.
 

Donki

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The ref was the problem, not the system.

I agree, but the ref is still part of the VAR system. It’s funny because the old story of “wrong desisions evening themselves out” would have actually lead to a fair result. A prime example of the “well it’s better to get more desisions correct” being void.

Without VAR the refs calls would have gave the game the fair and correct result.
 
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