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Dillspur

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so the first decision to be over ruled has happened and there seems to be mixed feelings. I like VAR, but there needs to be a 60 second time limit, if the VAR guys can’t come to a decision then the ruling on the field stands, I also think there should be a count down clock, this will keep the crowd engaged and I can imagine the crowd counting down the last 10 seconds when no decision has been made.

Thoughts.
 

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so the first decision to be over ruled has happened and there seems to be mixed feelings. I like VAR, but there needs to be a 60 second time limit, if the VAR guys can’t come to a decision then the ruling on the field stands, I also think there should be a count down clock, this will keep the crowd engaged and I can imagine the crowd counting down the last 10 seconds when no decision has been made.

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I don't like the idea of a clock with countdown because all that will happen is the refs end up making rushed panicky decisions as the clock is running out. Surely the whole point in introducing VAR in the first place is to make sure that the decisions are right, if you're then going to create a rush/panic about making a decision before some stupid countdown then it defeats the point in doing it in the first place.

Obviously there needs to be some common sense though about how long you can take but it shouldn't be in the form of a countdown IMO.

Personally, I think the best solution to the whole thing would be to let each manager have, for example, 1 "challenge" per half and the VAR is only used if the manager challenges something.
 

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Should wait until a break in play. In this instance it was ball out of play so no problem with time issues.

For me the technology should only be allowed for goals ie did the ball cross the line. Offside is now a matter of opinion. Offside is offside not phase 1 2 3 or whatever.
 

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The standard for the VAR to get involved is a clear and obvious error. If something is a clear mistake, the video referee will know within seconds. It should be extremely rare for something to take more than one or two minutes.

If it's a 50/50 penalty decision then the VAR should not get involved. Some fans make it sound like 10 minutes have been wasted during the trial games so far.

For example, the Leicester goal was awarded by the referee 67 seconds after the ball crossed the goal line. That seems like an acceptable amount of time to award a goal that was about to ruled out incorrectly.
 
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See when your team scores, you cheer like a Tasmanian devil that's eaten too much cheese, but having done that and then it get referred, it sort of takes away from that a bit and if the goal gets given you just raise yourself slightly from your seat and go 'yep'. I think it takes a bit of the passion out of it and lets face it, excepting when we're own the end of a **** like Clattenburg or Webb, its fun watching people like Wenger lose the plot. I'd rather just do without it, it's going to clean up the controversy but that's half the fun :D

Plus, it's another nail in the coffin of the agendaistas.
 

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Plus, it's another nail in the coffin of the agendaistas.
There's one or two 50/50 penalty shouts every match. Everyone of those shouts will be used as evidence that Club A gets every decision from VAR while Club B gets screwed every week.

A perfect example is the penalty kick that Everton got against Liverpool in December. It was a small nudge in the back that in my opinion was a foul, but I could also see how Liverpool fans were a little frustrated by the call.

Let's replay that with VAR in use.

The referee gives the penalty kick. The Liverpool players surround the ref screaming for VAR.

There are two possibilities:

The VAR looks at it and determines a clear and obvious error has not occurred (which is correct IMO). Everton gets the PK and Liverpool fans scream that everyone is against them and if it was Manchester United, then VAR overturns the PK.

Or VAR says this was a clear and obvious error. Everton and Spurs fans yell that Liverpool get every decision and if this is just another example.
 
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for me I like the idea of it but its this clear and obvious error that's the problem.

All that is going to happen on 50/50s is the issue will be moved from is it a pen to is it a clear and obvious error. I can already see certain managers moaning about something not going there way and in there opinion it was a clear error but weren't referred.

Last nights goal for example. yes it got it right but did the linesman make a clear error. I personally don't think it was clear. such a tight call that you can see why he got it wrong.

I like the managers challenge idea 1 per half or whatever
 

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See when your team scores, you cheer like a Tasmanian devil that's eaten too much cheese, but having done that and then it get referred, it sort of takes away from that a bit and if the goal gets given you just raise yourself slightly from your seat and go 'yep'. I think it takes a bit of the passion out of it and lets face it, excepting when we're own the end of a **** like Clattenburg or Webb, its fun watching people like Wenger lose the plot. I'd rather just do without it, it's going to clean up the controversy but that's half the fun :D

Plus, it's another nail in the coffin of the agendaistas.
This is it, its an absolutely HUGE change to our game and I read it hopes to raise the 96% of all decisions that refs currently get right, to 98%.
They still won't get them all right, so all of this fucking about for a 2% increase.
Should just leave it as it is, as you say controversy is half the fun sometimes...why are they trying to complicate the beautiful game?
 

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for me I like the idea of it but its this clear and obvious error that's the problem.

All that is going to happen on 50/50s is the issue will be moved from is it a pen to is it a clear and obvious error. I can already see certain managers moaning about something not going there way and in there opinion it was a clear error but weren't referred.

Last nights goal for example. yes it got it right but did the linesman make a clear error. I personally don't think it was clear. such a tight call that you can see why he got it wrong.

I like the managers challenge idea 1 per half or whatever
Yesterdays offside was a marginal call and a difficult one for officials, but VAR could clearly show us that it wasn't offside. It was used perfectly IMO.

But I agree with everything said about 50/50s in this thread. Forcing VAR into calling situations like that won't end controversy.
 

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There's one or two 50/50 penalty shouts every match. Everyone of those shouts will be used as evidence that Club A gets every decision from VAR while Club B gets screwed every week.

A perfect example is the penalty kick that Everton got against Liverpool in December. It was a small nudge in the back that in my opinion was a foul, but I could also see how Liverpool fans were a little frustrated by the call.

Let's replay that with VAR in use.

The referee gives the penalty kick. The Liverpool players surround the ref screaming for VAR.

There are two possibilities:

The VAR looks at it and determines a clear and obvious error has not occurred (which is correct IMO). Everton gets the PK and Liverpool fans scream that everyone is against them and if it was Manchester United, then VAR overturns the PK.

Or VAR says this was a clear and obvious error. Everton and Spurs fans yell that Liverpool get every decision and if this is just another example.
Players and referee cannot demand VAR.
The VAR communicates to the referee, not the other way round.
With the goal last night, the ref didn't ask the VAR to confirm offside or goal. When the ball went out of play, the VAR communicated to the referee that it was a dubious decision and that it should be properly reviewed.
Was it bad officiating in the first place to raise the flag - no not at all. It was close and in real-time it looked like he might have been offside. It was the slo-mo replay that showed he was just onside, and when in doubt the decision should favour the forward.

Also bear in mind that the VAR does not have the broadcast footage. He has 12-15 different cameras showing just what he needs to see. Therefore he won't be seeing the players surrounding the ref etc.

As Graham Poll pointed out last night, the problem will come when a ball is played over the top very quickly, the flag goes up and everyone reacts to that instead of the referee.
If the ref blows his whistle and gives offside, as the striker runs in on goal, then VAR cannot over-rule.
VAR can only be brought in if the player goes on to score the goal.
The issue is that defenders need to go back to playing to the whistle rather than looking for the flag.
 

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Willian may have "played" for the pen, but a pen it was IMO.
Was it a foul or just contact? I think people are forgetting the difference, a penalty should be given for a foul, not just contact.

I should say I haven't seen it, but was listening to talksport and they made the same comment
 

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Was it a foul or just contact? I think people are forgetting the difference, a penalty should be given for a foul, not just contact.

I should say I haven't seen it, but was listening to talksport and they made the same comment
Exactly, if VAR stops these players ( Vardy and Zaha I am talking about you) initiating contact to get a penalty then I am all for it.

Cheating *****
 

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Was it a foul or just contact? I think people are forgetting the difference, a penalty should be given for a foul, not just contact.

I should say I haven't seen it, but was listening to talksport and they made the same comment
It's hard to say, their was clear contact from an attempted tackle from the defender.
 

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Exactly, if VAR stops these players ( Vardy and Zaha I am talking about you) initiating contact to get a penalty then I am all for it.

Cheating *****
The refs not giving the pen will slow them down. VAR will catch the blatant dives, but in this case, if the ref had given a penalty I don't think VAR would have gotten involved either way.

Got to say Alli has dragged the leg too
No...not our angel Dele. He'd never do such a thing. :)
 
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Goal line technology is enough if you ask me, football has to have the odd bad decision and bit of drama. Thats part of the game and gives us something to chat and argue about.
 

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Goal line technology is enough if you ask me, football has to have the odd bad decision and bit of drama. Thats part of the game and gives us something to chat and argue about.
People will still chat and argue about VAR and whether the call was correct. Basically, people will chat and argue about anything.
 
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People will still chat and argue about VAR and whether the call was correct. Basically, people will chat and argue about anything.
Even worse if VAR decision is wrong even once, whats the point. Goal line technology is fine because its YES or NO, but i dont see this helping. I just see it as unnecessary technology being used for the sake of it.
 
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