Villa appoint Tim Sherwood as manager

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Sherwood identified faults in the team correctly, but he undermined the team by not being able to keep things behind closed doors.
Why exactly does this undermine the team? He told the team in private how bad they played, and he explained in public what he told the team. Everyone, every fan, could see that Spurs capitulated that day. Do you really want a manager who glosses over an appalling display? I'd be more concerned if our manager said we played well after a second half like that.

In any case, he didn't 'undermine the team'. The team was winning. A lot. He won enough games to get us in the top four over a whole season.
 

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Why exactly does this undermine the team? He told the team in private how bad they played, and he explained in public what he told the team. Everyone, every fan, could see that Spurs capitulated that day. Do you really want a manager who glosses over an appalling display? I'd be more concerned if our manager said we played well after a second half like that.

In any case, he didn't 'undermine the team'. The team was winning. A lot. He won enough games to get us in the top four over a whole season.
You keep extrapolating to pointless effect. When AVB left we were five points from fourth; at the end of the season, we were three points from Arsenal. That's a one point difference, one measly point.
 

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How many have been shipped, and of them how many would he have been referring to? Dawson? Siggurdsson? Holtby?
It's all very well telling home truths, and he was, but tell me any great manager who would have done that in public. Can you ever recall Ferguson or Mourinho doing that?
Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't believe Sherwood ever named a player specifically he referred to the group at the end of the day it had to be said because our results got to an embarrassing familiarity. Cast your memory back to the time of AVB, we were taking some real hammerings that's what caused AVB he's job.
 

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Sorry, when I said short term I meant as in Lerner selling in the next twelve months!
It's a massive opportunity for TS, especially when you think he's technically only had six months management experience.
I actually think Tim's ok, it'll be interesting to see what he does with Darren Bent as well who has scored almost half of Villa's total amount of goals in ten weeks on loan at Derby...

Good win for them today and i watched the whole game. Although Leicester are no Chel$ea Villa played some good footie until it came to the final third where they became clueless. I think that Sherwood has sufficient talent at Villa for them to stay up this season.
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't believe Sherwood ever named a player specifically he referred to the group at the end of the day it had to be said because our results got to an embarrassing familiarity. Cast your memory back to the time of AVB, we were taking some real hammerings that's what caused AVB he's job.
i didn't say he mentioned any player by name; it was someone else's comment where names were brought up. AVB left because of differences with Levy and Baldini over signings and Adebayor. He also had had enough of certain sections of the English tabloid press, specifically shysters like Samuel and Ashton. Despite working for the Tory party house paper, Samuel must be worried about the government's plans for the obese.
 

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He pointed out that too many of the players were too 'nice', and said that he couldn't 'count on them'. Interesting to note that the team that day contained Naughton, Dawson, Kaboul, Sandro, Lennon, Ade and Sigurdsson - all of whom are now sold or a million miles away from the first team. Sherwood's problem: he told the truth.


Spot on assessment. Sherwood was never a long term appointment in my opinion but did as good a job given his short period in charge.

He may not have put his point across in the way someone like Woy Hodgeson would have done but i cannot fault his frankness when assessing that performance after the Chel$ea loss.
 

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Sherwood identified faults in the team correctly, but he undermined the team by not being able to keep things behind closed doors. That was his problem, and it was down to a constant need to be centre of attention, something that can across in his newspaper column. He was also the leak at Spurs, using certain journalists to undermine AVB. He should get plaudits for introducing young players, but that was his job as he was in charge of the development squad.

If true (and i have never seen or read any evidence just the BS made up on here) then anyone who did undermine AVB was in my opinion doing a mighty fine job.
 

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Self inflicted wound old chap, only to be expected though.
They were two separate points, but I'm guessing you can't cope with two different thoughts at the same time. It's usually a good idea to have some context when you discuss subjects: cherry picking just makes you look like an idiot. Nothing new there.
 

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Villa looked to up their game today, and i think they should pull there way out of danger. Sherwood should have enough talent there to do a half decent job. Leicester on the other hand .........
 
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Huge risk by Villa IMO. They are complete kak at the moment and doubt they have much squad depth. Guess we'll wait and see but Sherwood's brashness could make things much worse if he goes at it like a bull in a china shop.
 

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In Villa's case Tim will turn them into an attacking team, whereas Lambert had them playing totally defensive football.

I think he will keep them up.
 

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You keep extrapolating to pointless effect. When AVB left we were five points from fourth; at the end of the season, we were three points from Arsenal. That's a one point difference, one measly point.
You're forgetting that Arsenal went on a storming run at the end of the season. So did we, in a way. Just not quite storming enough.

Sherwood out! Then Poch out (for not winning as many games as Sherwood)! Then the next man out! And so on.
 

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You're forgetting that Arsenal went on a storming run at the end of the season. So did we, in a way. Just not quite storming enough.

Sherwood out! Then Poch out (for not winning as many games as Sherwood)! Then the next man out! And so on.
Arsenal always go on a storming run, because they dick around long enough to know how the CL tastes and then strain every sinew to get back in. Never mind that they have imaginary cups which they award themselves for finishing a few points above a club that they think are leagues beneath them; and that must hurt.
Pochettino and Sherwood share one thing in common: both have gone to clubs with a fine seam of young players who can be bent to their will. I don't think that money had as much to do with TS's choice as what time he would have to develop the team. Poch knew about the likes of Kane and Mason, which was why he put them in at the earliest opportunity.
 
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