Vincent Janssen signs for Spurs!

[DCSPUR]

Janssen and Victor Wanyama in. Keep Prich, Son and Clinton will be settled
Mason, Carroll, Fazio out.
That works well for me - wouldn't tinker much further

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Why are we going to go for 2 specialist CF's when we only play 1 up top??

the word is two forwards, not two no 9s. Which they both are. 3 players vying for one spot. Neither of them
Will ever be better than Kane

Agree with this. I can understand one high level specialist CF coming in but no way will we sign another specialist.

Signing Batman + another attacking mid who can cover as CF would make sense but not 2 specialist CFs. One of them will end up getting very disillusioned once they realise they aren't getting much game time or even in the squad on match days.

 

[archiewasking]

Yeah if Jansenn is 12 million then we had a budget of 25-30 on a secondary striker and then remaining 18 mill on a cm. I'm making up a 60 mill budget

YOU are? Woah! Drinks are on wrd, everyone

 

[dudu]

Why are we going to go for 2 specialist CF's when we only play 1 up top??


Agree with this. I can understand one high level specialist CF coming in but no way will we sign another specialist.

Signing Batman + another attacking mid who can cover as CF would make sense but not 2 specialist CFs. One of them will end up getting very disillusioned once they realise they aren't getting much game time or even in the squad on match days.

Depends who they are, how we are going to play, what tournaments they will be used for etc. And why wouldnt this AM who can play CF get disillusioned being behind Alli, Eriksen, Lamela, Son, maybe Pritchard on top of being behind the other two CF's

Id personally rather buy one CF and slowly start to bring through another from our own ranks who knows they have to work their bloody socks off to get a look in. That being said if the right player was willing to come in as CF number 3 knowing the situation at hand then i trust the club will be honest with them and that they will be deemed to have the right attitude.

One injury to Kane or CF 2 and CF 3 is right in the mix.

 

[archiewasking]

Depends who they are, how we are going to play, what tournaments they will be used for etc. And why wouldnt this AM who can play CF get disillusioned being behind Alli, Eriksen, Lamela, Son, maybe Pritchard on top of being behind the other two CF's

Id personally rather buy one CF and slowly start to bring through another from our own ranks who knows they have to work their bloody socks off to get a look in. That being said if the right player was willing to come in as CF number 3 knowing the situation at hand then i trust the club will be honest with them and that they will be deemed to have the right attitude.

One injury to Kane or CF 2 and CF 3 is right in the mix.

True dat. That's how Lennon got his break ahead of Routledge. He never looked back. Or, to be fair, up when he was crossing...........

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Depends who they are, how we are going to play, what tournaments they will be used for etc. And why wouldnt this AM who can play CF get disillusioned being behind Alli, Eriksen, Lamela, Son, maybe Pritchard on top of being behind the other two CF's

Id personally rather buy one CF and slowly start to bring through another from our own ranks who knows they have to work their bloody socks off to get a look in. That being said if the right player was willing to come in as CF number 3 knowing the situation at hand then i trust the club will be honest with them and that they will be deemed to have the right attitude.

One injury to Kane or CF 2 and CF 3 is right in the mix.

The AM/CF is much more likely to get game time as playing in the 3 behind the striker there is more chance to get in the side through rotation or injury/suspension.

Everyone knows Kane is our number one striker and will eventually be rotated with Batman whoever comes in but if you bring in a 3rd specialist CF it will be even harder to keep them all happy. Just look at the case of Wimmer last season - he was direct back up to Toby and apart from that brief spell in the league he was on the bench or unable to make the squad league game days. Imagine if we had another who had been waiting behind him as well. They would have seen no game time and become disillusioned. Trippier again was another case who waited almost half a season to see any game time in the league.

I think people forget that we can only name a certain amount of players in the squad and bench on match days. You sign too many specialists and all of sudden you have to start a pecking order for a position and players start getting disillusioned if they are the one who keeps missing out.

If you want a happy squad more dynamic flexible players are needed to give everyone sufficient game time and the whole squad feels involved. Look at many of the top sides who play one up top, none of them have more than one back up striker who is a specialist. And alot of the time even that direct back up striker ends up making noises about leaving as it's hard to displace an elite striker.

 

[dudu]

The AM/CF is much more likely to get game time as playing in the 3 behind the striker there is more chance to get in the side through rotation or injury/suspension.

Everyone knows Kane is our number one striker and will eventually be rotated with Batman whoever comes in but if you bring in a 3rd specialist CF it will be even harder to keep them all happy. Just look at the case of Wimmer last season - he was direct back up to Toby and apart from that brief spell in the league he was on the bench or unable to make the squad league game days. Imagine if we had another who had been waiting behind him as well. They would have seen no game time and become disillusioned. Trippier again was another case who waited almost half a season to see any game time in the league.

I think people forget that we can only name a certain amount of players in the squad and bench on match days. You sign too many specialists and all of sudden you have to start a pecking order for a position and players start getting disillusioned if they are the one who keeps missing out.

If you want a happy squad more dynamic flexible players are needed to give everyone sufficient game time and the whole squad feels involved. Look at many of the top sides who play one up top, none of them have more than one back up striker who is a specialist. And alot of the time even that direct back up striker ends up making noises about leaving as it's hard to displace an elite striker.

You make good points mate and I agree with you in terms of buying someone who would be expecting to come in and play regularly. I havent, however forgotten how many players we can name in our squad and neither have I forgotten how lightweight for the most part we looked upfront without Kane leading the line.

Genuine question - who do you think could play CF as well as come into the AM 3 and be the grade of player we require for those 4 positions?

To me he idea of a versatile player means they are versatile within their area of the pitch. Eriksen, Lamela are versatile within the AM zone, they aren't rigid during the game. Dembele, can play deeper in midfield or further up. Dier is very defensively versatile. AM is a very different role to our CF and I think its a rare kind that a player could come in and perform both roles or even have the time to train to be proficient in both roles adequately. Unless we are paying decent money for an already established AM who will slot into the starting line then whoever it is will need to wait their chance anyway.

Kane, CF2 gets injured and we are right back to relying on one player to perform potentially twice a week in high profile games. Either way we would have to be reliant on someone coming in to do a job up there and I would rather have someone who knows how to lead the line as a day job rather than someone who may be just a jack of all offensive trades.

I wouldn't be distraught if we found that versatile player you are talking about over a 3rd CF though as long as they are a good fit.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

You make good points mate and I agree with you in terms of buying someone who would be expecting to come in and play regularly. I havent, however forgotten how many players we can name in our squad and neither have I forgotten how lightweight for the most part we looked upfront without Kane leading the line.

Genuine question - who do you think could play CF as well as come into the AM 3 and be the grade of player we require for those 4 positions?

To me he idea of a versatile player means they are versatile within their area of the pitch. Eriksen, Lamela are versatile within the AM zone, they aren't rigid during the game. Dembele, can play deeper in midfield or further up. Dier is very defensively versatile. AM is a very different role to our CF and I think its a rare kind that a player could come in and perform both roles or even have the time to train to be proficient in both roles adequately. Unless we are paying decent money for an already established AM who will slot into the starting line then whoever it is will need to wait their chance anyway.

Kane, CF2 gets injured and we are right back to relying on one player to perform potentially twice a week in high profile games. Either way we would have to be reliant on someone coming in to do a job up there and I would rather have someone who knows how to lead the line as a day job rather than someone who may be just a jack of all offensive trades.

I wouldn't be distraught if we found that versatile player you are talking about over a 3rd CF though as long as they are a good fit.

Embolo very much ticks that box, I think he's the closest out there available who matches Kane's multi faceted roundedness, is robust and works hard without the ball, but has spent much of this season playing as an AM for Basle.

 

[aussiespursguy]

Embolo very much ticks that box, I think he's the closest out there available who matches Kane's multi faceted roundedness, is robust and works hard without the ball, but has spent much of this season playing as an AM for Basle.

I think the best mix for the team if we are looking at 2 forwards would be Embolo and Janssen. I think both could play either wide or up front, A great mix and would compliment Harry.

 

[not_tenth-again]

West Brom paid north of £10m for Brown Ideye, Hull did the same with Abel Hernandez, the spammers did the same with Enner Valencia and don't even get me started on Ross McCormack...

This summer, prices will only go up for Premier League clubs. In the current climate £15m doesn't seem bad money for Janssen.

Having said that we're just pulling figures out of our asses at the moment... Cue him being slapped with a £25m price tag.

I'd still be tempted to pay that...

 

[Spurrific]

Janssen and Victor Wanyama in. Keep Prich, Son and Clinton will be settled
Mason, Carroll, Fazio out.
That works well for me - wouldn't tinker much further

Wanyama is shit

 

[Larryjanta]

Wanyama is shit

Fuck me sideways.

To call him shit does an injustice to the word. and this isn;t even his thread

 

[archiewasking]

I'd still be tempted to pay that...

Why not? £1m less than Soldado, and again, a lot of it will no doubt be performance related ala Bobby. If he's a bust, we gave it a shot and don't take too much of a hit, if at all, given his age.

 

[dudu]

Embolo very much ticks that box, I think he's the closest out there available who matches Kane's multi faceted roundedness, is robust and works hard without the ball, but has spent much of this season playing as an AM for Basle.

Bring me Embolo!

 

[Cravenspurs]

Embolo very much ticks that box, I think he's the closest out there available who matches Kane's multi faceted roundedness, is robust and works hard without the ball, but has spent much of this season playing as an AM for Basle.

From what I have seen he is the most versatile attacker we have been targeted with. He can play across all 4 positions which is great.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I think the best mix for the team if we are looking at 2 forwards would be Embolo and Janssen. I think both could play either wide or up front, A great mix and would compliment Harry.

I said the same elsewhere on here. They fit our profile best really, up and comers, potential to develop in a football and value aspects etc.

 

[Spurrific]

Fuck me sideways.

To call him shit does an injustice to the word. and this isn;t even his thread

Not to derail the thread, but whenever we're linked with shit players our fans will hypnotise themselves into thinking they're somehow something they're not. He's just a shit big lump.

Janssen looks good from what I've seen though.

 

[whitelanefever]

So can this bloke run fast? Kane fast?

I've only seen him in that Wembley friendly, loved the way he barreled Jagielka off the ball for their winner, nice left foot...

From the little I've seen of him.. he's not that quick at all.. plays the width of the penalty are..appears very strong , has a good first touch& can hold the ball up well.. get's shots on target more often than not... Doesn't appear to be the fittest of players.. 6 months under Poch would change that.. until I have seen a lot more of him I wouldn't be getting over-excited.. he could be the next great Dutch scorer or the next Gary Hooper..

 

[millsey]

Bring me Embolo!

I guy who scored 17 goals in the Swiss league, is unlikely to come in and start games next year for us. Es not ready yet. Great prospect, but we need someone good enough to challenge Kane next year and take the work load of him, and be able to play with him. That's not Embolo yet

 

[whitelanefever]

I guy who scored 17 goals in the Swiss league, is unlikely to come in and start games next year for us. Es not ready yet. Great prospect, but we need someone good enough to challenge Kane next year and take the work load of him, and be able to play with him. That's not Embolo yet

He's ready alright.. it's the perfect time for a coach like Poch to work on areas he needs to improve while he's still young.. he's as ready as Lacazetta & Batshuayi who are both far from the finished article & have areas that need work to