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He played 829 minutes. That strike rate would be Messi standard and let's be honest, even if he did score at that rate you'd find some other part of his game to rag on. You've had it in for him since he joined.

He shouldn't be playing just 829 minutes especially when Kane had to lengthy spells injured. That tells you something. As for having it if for him go and read the transfer thread, go and read the other Jansen thread and then tell me that. My opinions change when the facts change and my opinion of the player grew more dismissive of his talents the more I saw of him play and his continued failure to score. The whole agenda narrative is lazy as it is tiresome.
 
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Must be a slow Saturday afternoon for some it seems.

His comments were pretty fair tbh. If he is on his way good luck to him. Considering the form of those in front of him combined with Poch asking for more from him early part of this year he responded well enough to be given another season as Kanes backup.

Not sure there is alot else to say, whoever it is sitting behind Kane is going to have to be accepting and ready to go when called upon.
 

SuperPav10

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I have a strange feeling if we keep Vinny for next season, he will prove his worth, like sonny did this season.

I feel it's a bit different though. Son started well for us, got injured and then struggled to get his spot back before hitting a bit of form towards the end of the season. He was always fast, tricky and versatile...just inconsistent (and had a dreadful first touch).

Janssen had plenty of opportunites this season across all comps and he hardly looked dangerous or showed glimpses of being the player we all want him to become. He works hard, which is great for the fans to see, but whatever the plan was for him (partner for Kane, competition for Kane, impact from bench) it's safe to say it's not worked.
 

fortworthspur

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Improved where? His scoring record didn't improve, the manager was stating that he wasn't showing enough in February and he wasn't even getting in the team despite Kane being injured.

I thought he looked better the last few appearances. he was getting his shots off quicker for one thing. they still weren't going in but it looked as if he was adjusting to the faster pace of the prem.
 

shelfboy68

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I've said before that he may need another season but there is no sentiment in football which is probably right, and if he has to go and we upgrade on him then we should do that imo.
 

voxy28

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I remember Kane took about one season in premiere league before he starts to be productive.

I would give him one more season,.... who knows he might turn out to be our Solksjaer,
 

Ionman34

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I've said before that he may need another season but there is no sentiment in football which is probably right, and if he has to go and we upgrade on him then we should do that imo.
There's quite a bit of difference between sentiment and patience.

It was noticeable at the start of the season that Janssen was a good way off the pace, didn't have near to the fitness of the others and didn't look like he knew his role too well.
I've seen a few on here likening him to Son but, for me, his early showings are more reminiscent of Lamela, unsure of his role, struggled to get to grips with the pace of the game and was a tad unfortunate with some of his earlier chances, in that he'd have keepers pulling off saves like Gomes sticking out a leg to loop it over the bar.

It clearly affected his confidence in front of goal to the point where he always seemed to be on the back foot rather than the front anticipating.
I also made the observation earlier that he'd not learnt to roll a defender to open up half a yard for a strike. However, the latter part of the season I would agree that he has improved somewhat. He's leaner and fitter for a start, he's shown signs that he's learnt to create that half a yard on the turn, instead of controlling the ball and leaving himself back to goal. His movement in the box appears better, along with his anticipation.

I said earlier in the season that I think there's a player in there if we show a little patience, I'm sticking with that.

He won't ever displace Kane, but then he was never intended for that. I feel he will weigh in this coming season though. If he can add 10-15 goals to our already prolific attack, then he'll have had a successful second season IMO and be a worthy foil to Kane.
 

Grapo2001

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Would prefer a proven premier league back up than janssen. Someone like Long would make more of an impact off the bench.

And the reason he seems like he has improved is that he always comes off the bench with 5 minutes to play when we are cruising and everyone is knackered!
 

tiger666

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Would prefer a proven premier league back up than janssen. Someone like Long would make more of an impact off the bench.

And the reason he seems like he has improved is that he always comes off the bench with 5 minutes to play when we are cruising and everyone is knackered!

Janssen shits all over Shane Long
 

Snarfalicious

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Jesus Christ, guys. Shane Long? 3 goals in about 1200 minutes in the EPL last year. Janssen had 2 in 830. Long is 30 years old. Janssen is 22. Shane Long has and always will be a mediocre EPL player. Janssen has room for improvement.

I'm trying to understand the logic. In what world does Shane Long make us a better team? How does he take us to the next level? Because he can run behind defenses and then fail to score?

Sorry, that struck a nerve. If we're going to offer up reasons to sell Janssen and replace him with someone, it sure as hell better be a player that actually improves the squad.
 

SlickMongoose

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What obvious improvement?

His fitness and confidence have both improved a lot over the last few months of the season. He was good for the Netherlands the other day. I honestly think he could come good for us, although it will be difficult without any game time.

Mind you, I agree that his record to date hasn't been good enough, and i'd also be happy for us to sign someone else. The problem is that our system clearly takes a lot of getting used to, and there's no certainty that whoever else we were able to sign would do any better. Our record of signing strikers has been horrific for a long time now.

The other plus point in keeping Janssen for another year is that his value can hardly drop. He'll be worth the same next season as he is this, due to his youth.
 

shelfboy68

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There's quite a bit of difference between sentiment and patience.

It was noticeable at the start of the season that Janssen was a good way off the pace, didn't have near to the fitness of the others and didn't look like he knew his role too well.
I've seen a few on here likening him to Son but, for me, his early showings are more reminiscent of Lamela, unsure of his role, struggled to get to grips with the pace of the game and was a tad unfortunate with some of his earlier chances, in that he'd have keepers pulling off saves like Gomes sticking out a leg to loop it over the bar.

It clearly affected his confidence in front of goal to the point where he always seemed to be on the back foot rather than the front anticipating.
I also made the observation earlier that he'd not learnt to roll a defender to open up half a yard for a strike. However, the latter part of the season I would agree that he has improved somewhat. He's leaner and fitter for a start, he's shown signs that he's learnt to create that half a yard on the turn, instead of controlling the ball and leaving himself back to goal. His movement in the box appears better, along with his anticipation.

I said earlier in the season that I think there's a player in there if we show a little patience, I'm sticking with that.

He won't ever displace Kane, but then he was never intended for that. I feel he will weigh in this coming season though. If he can add 10-15 goals to our already prolific attack, then he'll have had a successful second season IMO and be a worthy foil to Kane.
Like I've said I would like to see him given a chance but he does look slightly lacking in pace and in the modern game football stands still for no-one.
If the club bring in better than I'm afraid I will embrace it and Janssen will have to move on, because players come and go but the club is forever here and that for me is the most important thing.
 

longtimespur

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Who's to say bringing in another striker, if we can find one who's willing to play back up to Kane, will manage any better than VJ. He'll have similar problems getting used to Poch's philosophy and work rate. So we have another season without a second striker.
I think he deserves another season and see if he copes, if not then I'm sure we'd still recoup our outlay.
 

Shea

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I can understand wanting to give Janssen more time, he's had very little game time and given his age it's reasonable to suggest that in time he can come good (I unfortunately can't say I saw a great deal of improvement in him over the course of the year, the guy that finished the season looked no better or worse than the guy who played against Everton and Palace at the start of the season)

Soldado's lack of success and Son's improvement are not proof positive that Janssen will or won't improve, he's unique to either of them

My honest opinion based on what I have seen thus far is that he does not look good enough, I would personally be disappointed if we go in to next season as him as our main back up to Kane

However, I agree it will be difficult to find someone suitable to play second fiddle to Kane

If only we signed Dembele before him going to Celtic

Still, I think if we wait on Janssen we will be leaving ourselves short of options up front and be hoping for Kane to continue to perform heroically and break records again to keep us competitive (which to be fair is reasonable considering how consistent Kane has been)

I think Poch will have a good idea of Janssen's potential to improve with us and I think whether or not we seek a replacement will tell us his judgement on the player, personally I expect him to want to upgrade on Janssen but if we don't I will take it as a positive that Poch has assessed him and believes he can improve to the level we require (I know that contradicts my saying I would be disappointed if we do not upgrade him, that's because I am conflicted on this matter)
 

Everlasting Seconds

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If Janssen stays at Spurs for next season, all his present doubters will have to eat a fair share of humble pie. He has what it takes to cut it in PL. I'm sure of it.
 

longtimespur

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I can understand wanting to give Janssen more time, he's had very little game time and given his age it's reasonable to suggest that in time he can come good (I unfortunately can't say I saw a great deal of improvement in him over the course of the year, the guy that finished the season looked no better or worse than the guy who played against Everton and Palace at the start of the season)

Soldado's lack of success and Son's improvement are not proof positive that Janssen will or won't improve, he's unique to either of them

My honest opinion based on what I have seen thus far is that he does not look good enough, I would personally be disappointed if we go in to next season as him as our main back up to Kane

However, I agree it will be difficult to find someone suitable to play second fiddle to Kane

If only we signed Dembele before him going to Celtic

Still, I think if we wait on Janssen we will be leaving ourselves short of options up front and be hoping for Kane to continue to perform heroically and break records again to keep us competitive (which to be fair is reasonable considering how consistent Kane has been)

I think Poch will have a good idea of Janssen's potential to improve with us and I think whether or not we seek a replacement will tell us his judgement on the player, personally I expect him to want to upgrade on Janssen but if we don't I will take it as a positive that Poch has assessed him and believes he can improve to the level we require (I know that contradicts my saying I would be disappointed if we do not upgrade him, that's because I am conflicted on this matter)




We scored our highest amount of goals this season, more than any other PL team.
All that with Kane's 2 injuries and amisfiring VJ.
 

Shea

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We scored our highest amount of goals this season, more than any other PL team.
All that with Kane's 2 injuries and amisfiring VJ.

I know, that doesn't mean we can afford to continue to carry Janssen if he fails to improve next season

Or at least that we wouldn't be better served having someone who can upgrade on his as an understudy to Kane
 

doctor stefan Freud

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Jesus Christ, guys. Shane Long? 3 goals in about 1200 minutes in the EPL last year. Janssen had 2 in 830. Long is 30 years old. Janssen is 22. Shane Long has and always will be a mediocre EPL player. Janssen has room for improvement.

I'm trying to understand the logic. In what world does Shane Long make us a better team? How does he take us to the next level? Because he can run behind defenses and then fail to score?

Sorry, that struck a nerve. If we're going to offer up reasons to sell Janssen and replace him with someone, it sure as hell better be a player that actually improves the squad.
Shane Long is also a whinging prickfuck- hate that type of person in life in general. They're typically at best mediocre at what they do, and they know it but can't accept their limitations, which is why they whinge: the prickfucks
 

BuckeyeSpurs11

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Who would you like instead of Janssen to play second fiddle to Kane? He's the lead striker of one of the top 25-30 national teams in the world, lead a league abroad in scoring at 21/22 years old and is willing to be a second striker for the time being...Batshuayi? High wages. I saw Shane Long, really?! Andre Gray? Meh, not an improvement.

He played a bulk of his time within the first two months of the season and clearly hadn't adapted but from February going forward,he was a better player. He changed the Swansea game when he came on and in general looked much more comfortable.

He's still a young player and I don't see many clear upgrades available for the right price and wages. He deserves one more season to sink or swim. Open to hearing suggestions and thoughts.
 
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